Does Thomas S Monson tell lies...?

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Palerobber, I did, but I will not post it here at this time. I don't like it when people steal research and call it their own.
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I hope you will at some point. I'm curious as to exactly what happened to Patton. Did you get a copy of his service file?
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Brad Hudson wrote:just me,

I hope you will at some point. I'm curious as to exactly what happened to Patton. Did you get a copy of his service file?


Well, I took a step back when Steve Benson indicated he would be ordering the service file and doing a paper on the story nearly 2 and a half years ago.

I would like to do a write up on Arthur Patton one of these days. I still have a file of information on him at my desk, including an order form for his service record. :lol: I have continued doing research on him here and there, I just don't plan on sharing it until I have an actual paper to share. I should probably give myself a deadline...Now I wish I had ordered the service file over the summer when I was considering it.
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I still don't have a clear answer from Steve as to whether he actually has the file. He listed the documents he has, but didn't say whether he obtained the file.

I hope you write up the paper.
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Brad Hudson wrote:I still don't have a clear answer from Steve as to whether he actually has the file. He listed the documents he has, but didn't say whether he obtained the file.

I hope you write up the paper.


Pretty sure he only has what can be found online.
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just me wrote:
Brad Hudson wrote:I still don't have a clear answer from Steve as to whether he actually has the file. He listed the documents he has, but didn't say whether he obtained the file.

I hope you write up the paper.


Pretty sure he only has what can be found online.


I thought the monthly ship records were not available on line, but I see know they are on ancestry.com. So it looks like I might have been mistaken in thinking he had sources not available online. I've asked him in the other thread, so he can clarify if he chooses.
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This has really turned into an interesting mystery. I hope Just Me publishes her findings!

I thought about doing FOIA requests through the Navy & SSAN, but decided against it when Mr. Benson acted like a poop.

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just me wrote:
Brad Hudson wrote:just me,

I hope you will at some point. I'm curious as to exactly what happened to Patton. Did you get a copy of his service file?


Well, I took a step back when Steve Benson indicated he would be ordering the service file and doing a paper on the story nearly 2 and a half years ago.

I would like to do a write up on Arthur Patton one of these days. I still have a file of information on him at my desk, including an order form for his service record. :lol: I have continued doing research on him here and there, I just don't plan on sharing it until I have an actual paper to share. I should probably give myself a deadline...Now I wish I had ordered the service file over the summer when I was considering it.


This will be interesting, I look forward to reading it.
I wonder if he has any living relatives?
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He lives a lie, why wouldn't he tell them?
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Just a quick note.

I went to:

http://www.dtic.mil/dpmo/

and then to:

http://www.dtic.mil/dpmo/wwii/reports/nav_m_p.htm

Neither Arthur Patton nor Blake Lewis Pauley show up as MIA for WWII.

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Albion wrote:I don't know if the man lies or not but maintaining the myth that so many LDS people seem to believe, that he speaks with God as God's mouthpiece, is dishonest IMV.

You're right, he's almost as bad as that funny little dude in Rome who claims to be the vicar of Christ.
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The Erotic Apologist wrote:
Albion wrote:I don't know if the man lies or not but maintaining the myth that so many LDS people seem to believe, that he speaks with God as God's mouthpiece, is dishonest IMV.

You're right, he's almost as bad as that funny little dude in Rome who claims to be the vicar of Christ.


Although, arguably, he seems to be starting to put his money where his mouth is....
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Bazooka wrote:Although, arguably, he seems to be starting to put his money where his mouth is....

I have to agree. The Brethren in Salt Lake City could learn a lot from this guy.
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for what it's worth, i consulted the 1940 census and there's an Arthur Patton in Salt Lake City, about 2 years older than Monson and living about a block away from him.

Monson, 311 W 500 S
George S Monson M 38
Gladus M Monson F 37
Gladys Monson F 16
Thomas Monson M 12
Robert Monson M 7

Patton, 200 W 533 S
Lewis O Patton M 57
Terese Patton F 45
Louis Patton M 17
Walter R Patton M 16
Arthur F Patton M 14
Doris M Patton F 11

...adding, looks like maybe this was already covered in this Jan 2014 thread:
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