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As I has endevored to paraphrase The Book of Mormon, I find some issues become more glaring.
1. Nephi loves to talk about HIMSELF.

2. Nephi is told of GOD to murder a fellow Israelite who is drunk. That in itself is off because unless in the heat of battle or clearing with invaders, or ridding the land of evil people groups --- all squabbles between the Israelites/Jews were to be dealt with legally. Read the Bible and note the laws guiding how matters were to be handled among themselves in the land. And then there is the simple fact that GOD could have sent an angel or caused some accident or disease to kill to Laban. I'm sure Mormons have heard this all before...

3. Nephi slices off Laban's head with Laban's sword. Now I don't know about you but if I sliced off someone's head there would be blood, blood, blood everywhere and especially all over Laban's clothing.You figure that one out --- I know some of you must have wondered. PS> The servant doesn't notice, and Nephi doesn't seem to have any problem putting on the bloody mess.

4. Nephi writes that he needs to conserve space to write HIS story --- and yet he is so redundant and obviously wastes space with repeating various phrases over and over and over and over. Either Nephi or Joseph Smith was oblivious (perhaps they were both oblivious-- and if Nephi never existed I guess we can't really blame him) to exactly how to get any point across without being repetitive.

5. How many time does one need to return UP to Jerusalem from DOWN in the wilderness before one gets it correct... I mean really! Leave now, leave everything -- go back and get the plates and return -- go back and get wives --- come back to Lehi's tent.

6. Was it a vision or a dream. If Lehi doesn't know ---How are we and does it matter?

I'm sorry for being tough but the facts are the facts. The listing of names in the Bible were always somewhat tedious for me; however, its stories were never insipid.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_the_Bible

Main article: Ethics in the Bible

Elizabeth Anderson, a professor of philosophy and women's studies at the University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, states that "the Bible contains both good and evil teachings", and it is "morally inconsistent".[13]

Anderson criticizes commands God gave to men in the Old Testament, such as: kill adulterers, homosexuals, and "people who work on the Sabbath" (Leviticus 20:10; Leviticus 20:13; Exodus 35:2, respectively); to commit ethnic cleansing (Exodus 34:11-14, Leviticus 26:7-9); commit genocide (Numbers 21: 2-3, Numbers 21:33–35, Deuteronomy 2:26–35, and Joshua 1–12); and other mass killings.[14] Anderson considers the Bible to permit slavery, the beating of slaves, the rape of female captives in wartime, polygamy (for men), the killing of prisoners, and child sacrifice.[14] She also provides a number of examples to illustrate what she considers "God's moral character": "Routinely punishes people for the sins of others ... punishes all mothers by condemning them to painful childbirth", punishes four generations of descendants of those who worship other gods, kills 24,000 Israelites because some of them sinned (Numbers 25:1–9), kills 70,000 Israelites for the sin of David in 2 Samuel 24:10–15, and "sends two bears out of the woods to tear forty-two children to pieces" because they called someone names in 2 Kings 2:23–24.[15]

Anderson criticizes what she terms morally repugnant lessons of the New Testament. She claims that "Jesus tells us his mission is to make family members hate one another, so that they shall love him more than their kin" (Matt 10:35-37), that "Disciples must hate their parents, siblings, wives, and children (Luke 14:26)", and that Peter and Paul elevate men over their wives "who must obey their husbands as gods" (1 Corinthians 11:3, 14:34-5, Eph. 5:22-24, Col. 3:18, 1 Tim. 2: 11-2, 1 Pet. 3:1).[16] Anderson states that the Gospel of John implies that "infants and anyone who never had the opportunity to hear about Christ are damned [to hell], through no fault of their own".[17]

Simon Blackburn states that the "Bible can be read as giving us a carte blanche for harsh attitudes to children, the mentally handicapped, animals, the environment, the divorced, unbelievers, people with various sexual habits, and elderly women".[18]

Blackburn criticizes what he terms morally suspect themes of the New Testament.[19] He notes some "moral quirks" of Jesus: that he could be "sectarian" (Matt 10:5–6),[20] racist (Matt 15:26 and Mark 7:27), and placed no value on animal life (Luke 8: 27–33).

Blackburn provides examples of Old Testament moral criticisms, such as the phrase in Exodus 22:18, ("Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.") which he says has "helped to burn alive tens or hundreds of thousands of women in Europe and America". He states that the Old Testament God apparently has "no problems with a slave-owning society", considers birth control a crime punishable by death, and "is keen on child abuse".[21] Additional examples that are questioned today are: the prohibition on touching women during their "period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev. 15:19–24)", the apparent approval of selling daughters into slavery (Exodus 21:7), and the obligation to put to death someone working on the Sabbath (Exodus 35:2).[22]
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Maksutov wrote:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_the_Bible

Main article: Ethics in the Bible

Elizabeth Anderson, a professor of philosophy and women's studies at the University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, states that "the Bible contains both good and evil teachings", and it is "morally inconsistent".[13]

Anderson criticizes commands God gave to men in the Old Testament, such as: kill adulterers, homosexuals, and "people who work on the Sabbath" (Leviticus 20:10; Leviticus 20:13; Exodus 35:2, respectively); to commit ethnic cleansing (Exodus 34:11-14, Leviticus 26:7-9); commit genocide (Numbers 21: 2-3, Numbers 21:33–35, Deuteronomy 2:26–35, and Joshua 1–12); and other mass killings.[14] Anderson considers the Bible to permit slavery, the beating of slaves, the rape of female captives in wartime, polygamy (for men), the killing of prisoners, and child sacrifice.[14] She also provides a number of examples to illustrate what she considers "God's moral character": "Routinely punishes people for the sins of others ... punishes all mothers by condemning them to painful childbirth", punishes four generations of descendants of those who worship other gods, kills 24,000 Israelites because some of them sinned (Numbers 25:1–9), kills 70,000 Israelites for the sin of David in 2 Samuel 24:10–15, and "sends two bears out of the woods to tear forty-two children to pieces" because they called someone names in 2 Kings 2:23–24.[15]

Anderson criticizes what she terms morally repugnant lessons of the New Testament. She claims that "Jesus tells us his mission is to make family members hate one another, so that they shall love him more than their kin" (Matt 10:35-37), that "Disciples must hate their parents, siblings, wives, and children (Luke 14:26)", and that Peter and Paul elevate men over their wives "who must obey their husbands as gods" (1 Corinthians 11:3, 14:34-5, Eph. 5:22-24, Col. 3:18, 1 Tim. 2: 11-2, 1 Pet. 3:1).[16] Anderson states that the Gospel of John implies that "infants and anyone who never had the opportunity to hear about Christ are damned [to hell], through no fault of their own".[17]

Simon Blackburn states that the "Bible can be read as giving us a carte blanche for harsh attitudes to children, the mentally handicapped, animals, the environment, the divorced, unbelievers, people with various sexual habits, and elderly women".[18]

Blackburn criticizes what he terms morally suspect themes of the New Testament.[19] He notes some "moral quirks" of Jesus: that he could be "sectarian" (Matt 10:5–6),[20] racist (Matt 15:26 and Mark 7:27), and placed no value on animal life (Luke 8: 27–33).

Blackburn provides examples of Old Testament moral criticisms, such as the phrase in Exodus 22:18, ("Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.") which he says has "helped to burn alive tens or hundreds of thousands of women in Europe and America". He states that the Old Testament God apparently has "no problems with a slave-owning society", considers birth control a crime punishable by death, and "is keen on child abuse".[21] Additional examples that are questioned today are: the prohibition on touching women during their "period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev. 15:19–24)", the apparent approval of selling daughters into slavery (Exodus 21:7), and the obligation to put to death someone working on the Sabbath (Exodus 35:2).[22]

With every case where there are multiple wives, the Bible clearly presents such arrangements as nothing if not troublesome and teaches that one wife for one husband is exactly what GOD intended. Jesus revealed that one's love for GOD should supersede one's love for one's family and self --- even to the point that one's love for one's family members should seem as hate when compared with one's love for the Lord. AND a parent needs to be a parent and not the son or daughter's friend. There are a multitude of individuals in jail and not going anywhere because their parents did not wish to correct them. Yet the story of the prodigal son reveals the extent of a father's love towards even a wayward child. Elderly women and orphans were to be cared for and protected --- and the Bible clearly looks down on those who would abuse strangers who came into the land of Israel. And as for your lame verse regarding the PIGS, did you ever wonder what were those PIGS being raised for? I mean the Jews were not to eat PIGS. And clearly GOD cares for a sparrow and yet clearly cares far more for even an insane human. If you do some research there were very few witch burning in the American Colonies. AND most of the witch trials in Europe involved the Jesuits and the Spanish Inquisition. It is so much easier to steal one's wealth when one is dead and out of the way. But the truth be told that practicing witchcraft was not allowed in Israel and anyone stupid enough to go there and then practiced it reaped its benefit. And yes it is far better that a millstone be placed around the neck of a child abuser than to even encourage such behavior to grow unabated.

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LittleNipper wrote:2. Nephi is told of GOD to murder his uncle. That in itself is off because unless in the heat of battle or clearing with invaders, or ridding the land of evil people groups --- all squabbles between the Israelites/Jews were to be dealt with legally. Read the Bible and note the laws guiding how matters were to be handled among themselves in the land. And then there is the simple fact that GOD could have sent an angel or caused some accident or disease to kill to Laban. I'm sure Mormons have heard this all before...


Laban was Nephi's uncle??? There is no where within the BofM text that states that Laban was Nephi's uncle. (Maybe confusing Laban of Genesis who was Jacob's uncle.) Please See: viewtopic.php?p=888270#p888270
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Brackite wrote:
LittleNipper wrote:2. Nephi is told of GOD to murder his uncle. That in itself is off because unless in the heat of battle or clearing with invaders, or ridding the land of evil people groups --- all squabbles between the Israelites/Jews were to be dealt with legally. Read the Bible and note the laws guiding how matters were to be handled among themselves in the land. And then there is the simple fact that GOD could have sent an angel or caused some accident or disease to kill to Laban. I'm sure Mormons have heard this all before...


Laban was Nephi's uncle??? There is no where within the BofM text that states that Laban was Nephi's uncle. (Maybe confusing Laban of Genesis who was Jacob's uncle.) Please See: viewtopic.php?p=888270#p888270

You are right. I guess the character Laban possessing the family genealogy of the character Lehi might mean they were somehow related. And in fact, all Israelies are related --- connected by way of Jacob and his 12 sons. But again, the Hebrews were an extended family and legal issues were to be handled according to the Commandments when they became established, and not like some American frontier town that Joseph Smith was perhaps acquainted with...

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Consider the place where John was baptizing, according to John 1:28. Look in different translations and you can note that the KJV says "Bethabara", while virtually everything else says "Bethany." To make a long story short, the "church father" Origen (c. 230 AD) changed the text from Bethany to Bethabara, honestly thinking that he was correcting an existing mistake, not creating one. The original text of John absolutely, positively, read Bethany, and that is absolutely the name of the place where John was baptizing at the time. But the KJV translators didn't know about this textual question, and so the KJV reads Bethabara. This means nothing in the big picture of Bible translation; however, in the case of the Book of Mormon it does, because if the Book of Mormon was of divine origin then the prophecy in 1 Nephi 10:9 about where the Christ would be baptized would have revealed the correct place, even though in Smith's day the KJV said something else. But instead Smith copied the "prophecy" out of the KJV and so copied down the wrong place.

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Fairy etiquette dictates that you should not look for logistical problems or factual consistencies in the stories of Aesop, the Brothers Grimm, Mother Goose, or J.K. Rowling. These stories, while loaded with helpful ideas, are purely fictional.

That said, perhaps this so-called "Laban" was the six-fingered man who killed Inigo's father. That might have been the reason he had to die.
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moksha wrote:Fairy etiquette dictates that you should not look for logistical problems or factual consistencies in the stories of Aesop, the Brothers Grimm, Mother Goose, or J.K. Rowling. These stories, while loaded with helpful ideas, are purely fictional.

That said, perhaps this so-called "Laban" was the six-fingered man who killed Inigo's father. That might have been the reason he had to die.
One's eternal well-being doesn't hang on Aesop's Fables, The Brother's Grimm Fairy Tales, Mother Goose Nursery Rhymes, or on Harry Potter. The Book of Mormon is passed off as scripture. And while it does contain passages from the Bible, this doesn't make it GOD breathed or inspired by the Holy Spirit. And since the Book of Mormon is the foundation upon which a religious sect rests its doctrine and authority, it makes no sense not to hold it to the same standards as the Holy Bible.

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LittleNipper wrote:
moksha wrote:Fairy etiquette dictates that you should not look for logistical problems or factual consistencies in the stories of Aesop, the Brothers Grimm, Mother Goose, or J.K. Rowling. These stories, while loaded with helpful ideas, are purely fictional.

That said, perhaps this so-called "Laban" was the six-fingered man who killed Inigo's father. That might have been the reason he had to die.
One's eternal well-being doesn't hang on Aesop's Fables, The Brother's Grimm Fairy Tales, Mother Goose Nursery Rhymes, or on Harry Potter. The Book of Mormon is passed off as scripture. And while it does contain passages from the Bible, this doesn't make it GOD breathed or inspired by the Holy Spirit. And since the Book of Mormon is the foundation upon which a religious sect rests its doctrine and authority, it makes no sense not to hold it to the same standards as the Holy Bible.


So one's eternal well-being hangs on Moses' fables, Abraham's fables, Paul's fables. Much better. :lol:
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Maksutov wrote:
LittleNipper wrote:[ One's eternal well-being doesn't hang on Aesop's Fables, The Brother's Grimm Fairy Tales, Mother Goose Nursery Rhymes, or on Harry Potter. The Book of Mormon is passed off as scripture. And while it does contain passages from the Bible, this doesn't make it GOD breathed or inspired by the Holy Spirit. And since the Book of Mormon is the foundation upon which a religious sect rests its doctrine and authority, it makes no sense not to hold it to the same standards as the Holy Bible.


So one's eternal well-being hangs on Moses' fables, Abraham's fables, Paul's fables. Much better. :lol:
And I suppose you cling to Darwin's imagination, Bill Nye's spoofs, Carl Sagon's ramblings, and Neil Tyson's sarcasm. Fortunately, everyone's well being rests entirely on one's relationship with GOD --- the realization of Moses and Abraham and Paul follows the understanding regarding who Jesus really is.

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LittleNipper wrote:
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So one's eternal well-being hangs on Moses' fables, Abraham's fables, Paul's fables. Much better. :lol:
And I suppose you cling to Darwin's imagination, Bill Nye's spoofs, Carl Sagon's ramblings, and Neil Tyson's sarcasm. Fortunately, everyone's well being rests entirely on one's relationship with GOD --- the realization of Moses and Abraham and Paul follows the understanding regarding who Jesus really is.


No, I cling to demonstrated and proven science and facts and history, which includes biology and physics. Your religious fables never split the atom or landed us on the Moon or even clued us in to the cause of diseases. Moses and Abraham tell us nothing about DNA and the circulation of the blood. But they can tell us all kinds of provable nonsense and fake history and pretend there is somehow a divine spark in it--something which countless cults have claimed throughout history with equal basis. :lol:

You can pretend that your particular Bible shtick is better than the Mormon shtick but it's all just shtick. You're competing for market share like businesses do. Instead of putting out a better product you just trash the opposition.

Science puts out a better product. That's why you can write and read on the internet. It wasn't put there by a bunch of snakehandling mouthbreathers ranting about signs and wonders, it was created by physicists. :cool:
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Maksutov wrote:
LittleNipper wrote:] And I suppose you cling to Darwin's imagination, Bill Nye's spoofs, Carl Sagon's ramblings, and Neil Tyson's sarcasm. Fortunately, everyone's well being rests entirely on one's relationship with GOD --- the realization of Moses and Abraham and Paul follows the understanding regarding who Jesus really is.


No, I cling to demonstrated and proven science and facts and history, which includes biology and physics. Your religious fables never split the atom or landed us on the Moon or even clued us in to the cause of diseases. Moses and Abraham tell us nothing about DNA and the circulation of the blood. But they can tell us all kinds of provable nonsense and fake history and pretend there is somehow a divine spark in it--something which countless cults have claimed throughout history with equal basis. :lol:

You can pretend that your particular Bible shtick is better than the Mormon shtick but it's all just shtick. You're competing for market share like businesses do. Instead of putting out a better product you just trash the opposition.

Science puts out a better product. That's why you can write and read on the internet. It wasn't put there by a bunch of snakehandling mouthbreathers ranting about signs and wonders, it was created by physicists. :cool:


You clearly have deceived yourself or maybe you are the victim of Mormonism and its bases in "feelings," and a trust in human leadership. Man is the creator (with GOD's decree) of advanced technology, either directly or indirectly. I know of no technological advance that sprang up without a designer/fabricator. And, the educators, doctors, artists, actors, scientists, fabricators, mechanics, farmers, etc., etc., etc. are all an extension of their CREATOR and not your need to eliminate the one who created DNA and the entire Universe and replace it with Secular Humanistic Atheism. Sorry, but humans who are allergic to milk or peanuts do not prove evolution, anymore than white or black.
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LittleNipper wrote:
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No, I cling to demonstrated and proven science and facts and history, which includes biology and physics. Your religious fables never split the atom or landed us on the Moon or even clued us in to the cause of diseases. Moses and Abraham tell us nothing about DNA and the circulation of the blood. But they can tell us all kinds of provable nonsense and fake history and pretend there is somehow a divine spark in it--something which countless cults have claimed throughout history with equal basis. :lol:

You can pretend that your particular Bible shtick is better than the Mormon shtick but it's all just shtick. You're competing for market share like businesses do. Instead of putting out a better product you just trash the opposition.

Science puts out a better product. That's why you can write and read on the internet. It wasn't put there by a bunch of snakehandling mouthbreathers ranting about signs and wonders, it was created by physicists. :cool:


You clearly have deceived yourself or maybe you are the victim of Mormonism and it's bases in "feelings," and a trust in human leadership. Man is the creator (with GOD's decree) of advanced technology, either directly or indirectly. I know of no technological advance that sprang up without a designer/fabricator. And, the educators, doctors, artists, actors, scientists, fabricators, mechanics, farmers, etc., etc., etc. are all an extension of their CREATOR and not your need to eliminate the one who created DNA and the entire Universe and replace it with Secular Humanistic Atheism. Sorry, but humans who are allergic to milk or peanuts do not prove evolution, anymore than white or black.


I'm sorry your education was so dismal. But you did insist on continuing with that creationist warehouse in Colorado that stocks up on nonsense.

There is no need for your "CREATOR" to explain anything. This has been true for centuries. God didn't create science or the Bible wouldn't be such an unscientific mess. The screen you're reading right now was created by man, without God. You are blaspheming right now. :lol:

The Bible preserves all kinds of cultural errors. We can learn the most from the Bible by recognizing its human origins and improving upon them with science. And that's what the world is doing and has been for many generations. The aggressive silliness and bigotry from religionists is one reason young people are leaving religion. They can see through the lies and hypocrisy and the futility of people copying religious texts ad nauseam without adding to human understanding. :wink:

But you're definitely right about the Book of Mormon. As much of a mess as the Bible is, the Book of Mormon is an obvious fraud. The Bible was put together by ignorant people trying to understand what had happened to them. The Book of Mormon is a fiction created mostly by one deeply dishonest man to make money and get power and women. The End. :lol:
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moksha wrote:That said, perhaps this so-called "Laban" was the six-fingered man who killed Inigo's father. That might have been the reason he had to die.


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IS THE BIBLE AT ODDS WITH SCIENCE?
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The Bible tells us that miracles happen! The birth of Jesus to a virgin, and His resurrection from the grave are cardinal elements in the faith of Christians. The origin of life itself stems from the mind and act of God. Incredibly, some scientists teach that we evolved from single cells, which in turn developed over billions of years from electrical charges. In the face of the amazing complexity of living beings, they still find no evidence of intelligent design in the universe.

Thus science is often pitted against the Bible, but everything depends on what we mean by science. Science is based on careful observation, on precise description of natural events and phenomena. Scientific conclusions are based solely on reasoning from factual evidence. Every Christian should have great respect for the scientific method and accept its validity. However, some well-meaning Christians take the position that science and the Bible are implacable enemies, and they go through life with a chip on their shoulders. This attitude contributes nothing to anyone’s understanding.

Unfortunately, some scientists regard the Bible as an antiquated collection of myths and primitive nonsense. In their worldview there is no place for intelligent design. Once they have dismissed the Bible they look down on believers as people still trapped in their outdated faith systems. The two sides appear to be locked in endless conflict.

Both sides could use a dose of humility. We remember that when Nicolaus Copernicus declared that the Earth was not the center of the universe, he was declared a heretic. Later, Galileo was put on trial for declaring that the sun was the center of our solar system. Church authorities demanded that they recant. (It should be noted that the Bible itself is not the culprit in this conflict.)

Clearly science has made astonishing discoveries and exposed entrenched beliefs as false. Every Christian should support the quest of science as it seeks to uncover and understand the amazing mysteries of the universe. One’s sense of wonder at the complexity and enormity of the universe can only be deepened and enriched.

At the same time, some scientists fall into the trap of calling theories facts when they are only theories. This actually violates the scientific method. Among these enormous and unproved assumptions are those concerning the origin of life and the denial of the supernatural. For such scientists, the conclusion is that we got here by chance and will end up in nothingness. This position is fundamentally unsupportable, and the Bible provides a wonderful and totally reasonable alternative. It is an alternative that involves faith in the timeless existence of the being the Bible calls God.

There is a very sinister idea making the rounds these days, an idea even taught in the schools as the truth. That idea is that science is grounded only in facts and religion is grounded solely in faith in the Bible. Therefore, the theory goes, when it comes to the origin of life, evolution may be taught in the schools, but not creation. The truth is that both of these views are grounded in a huge leap of faith and both claim to be reasonable. The creationist indeed places her faith in intelligent design, and finds in this faith a reasonable explanation of life and its origin. However, the evolutionist also operates by faith: faith in the inexplicable and wholly random origin of something out of nothing! Make no mistake, this is a leap of faith, an astounding assumption not based on any observable facts. For Christians, faith in intelligent design as explanation for the origin of life is far more reasonable than faith in randomness and blind chance.

When it comes to miracles, it is fair to conclude that they lie outside of science, but are not opposed to science. God can and does intervene in history, so scientists (and all of us) do well to be humble in the face of miracle. But Christians (and everybody else as well) also do well not to call something a miracle just because we don’t understand it. When both these positions are understood and accepted, science and the Bible are not at odds. They are both gifts from God.

Let’s remember, too, that the Bible is not a scientific textbook. Although Christians accept the Bible as entirely true, it does not use scientific terminology. After all, it was written thousands of years ago! So it uses terms such as “sunrise” and “sunset”, even though we know that the sun does not rise or set. The Bible is a casebook of divine love and admonition, as well as the very human response of failure and triumph.

So although the Bible is not a scientific treatise, it is our guidebook for life. It teaches us amazement in the face of life’s mysteries. On our sickbed when all the answers of science have been exhausted, we throw ourselves on the hope so wonderfully described in the Bible. We live here by faith and reach for life beyond the grave. In its pages we find the story of our origin and destiny. Has it become your guidebook, too?

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LittleNipper wrote:In its pages we find the story of our origin and destiny. Has it become your guidebook, too?


We do learn about ourselves by studying the Bible. We learn the thoughts of the people who wrote the Bible, who were many groups over centuries. We learn what they thought about each other and their stories about what happened to them.

We can also learn from the Bible by seeing how it has been developed and used by human beings: stories of origins, stories of destiny, stories to teach values. The accumulation of knowledge begins with stories, but does not end with them. And so scriptures are tools of memory and not sacred in themselves. They are valuable to the extent that their content is valuable and for the insights they give us into other things. The rest is up to us.
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News article from the faithful:

JERUSALEM - At 5 PM at the intersection Dolarosa and Vine, the face of God appeared and uttered in an unknown language, “One morning I shot an elephant in my pajamas. How he got in my pajamas, I don't know.”

The huge face was witnessed by a crowd of 127 Jerusalemites (122, since 5 were preoccupied at the Levshal Falafel Stand and missed the miracle).

Reb Ari Finkelstein, speaking for the Sanhedrin, stated it was a divine manifestation and meant that the chosen people should avoid shellfish, bacon, and avocado toast.
-- Zev Parnass, Israeli Gazzette, 97 BCE


Disbelieving gentiles have issued a statement that such a preposterous event never occurred or else was a mass hallucination brought on by camel fumes.

So, what really happened? Was this a holoprojection from the future that was actually meant to sell pajamas or something else?
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moksha wrote:News article from the faithful:

JERUSALEM - At 5 PM at the intersection Dolarosa and Vine, the face of God appeared and uttered in an unknown language, “One morning I shot an elephant in my pajamas. How he got in my pajamas, I don't know.”

The huge face was witnessed by a crowd of 127 Jerusalemites (122, since 5 were preoccupied at the Levshal Falafel Stand and missed the miracle).

Reb Ari Finkelstein, speaking for the Sanhedrin, stated it was a divine manifestation and meant that the chosen people should avoid shellfish, bacon, and avocado toast.
-- Zev Parnass, Israeli Gazzette, 97 BCE


Disbelieving gentiles have issued a statement that such a preposterous event never occurred or else was a mass hallucination brought on by camel fumes.

So, what really happened? Was this a holoprojection from the future that was actually meant to sell pajamas or something else?
Those who wrote the Bible never became monetarily wealthy on that account ---------------- This is one thing that cannot be said of Joseph Smith. Smith certainly profited monetarily, in notoriety, and power.

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Re: Problems thus far with the Book of Mormon!

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LittleNipper wrote:Those who wrote the Bible never became monetarily wealthy on that account ---------------- This is one thing that cannot be said of Joseph Smith. Smith certainly profited monetarily, in notoriety, and power.


The Bible writers didn't make the money. The later Bible thumpers did. Ever heard of the Prosperity Gospel? Kenneth Copeland? Jan Crouch? Benny Hinn? Joel Osteen? Creflo Dollar? I could go on.

http://crossbearer-brian.tripod.com/id277.htm
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Re: Problems thus far with the Book of Mormon!

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Maksutov wrote:
LittleNipper wrote:Those who wrote the Bible never became monetarily wealthy on that account ---------------- This is one thing that cannot be said of Joseph Smith. Smith certainly profited monetarily, in notoriety, and power.


The Bible writers didn't make the money. The later Bible thumpers did. Ever heard of the Prosperity Gospel? Kenneth Copeland? Jan Crouch? Benny Hinn? Joel Osteen? Creflo Dollar? I could go on.

http://crossbearer-brian.tripod.com/id277.htm

But that is just them. They are individuals who gather a following, and the followers heap money on them. Is this true of every minister or ministry? Obviously not! This is what happens when men take their eyes off GOD and try to keep up with and embrace the "Jones' " of this world.

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