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Re: Does Thomas S Monson tell lies...?

Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2014 11:03 am
by just me
Palerobber, I did, but I will not post it here at this time. I don't like it when people steal research and call it their own.

Re: Does Thomas S Monson tell lies...?

Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2014 11:43 am
by Res Ipsa
just me,

I hope you will at some point. I'm curious as to exactly what happened to Patton. Did you get a copy of his service file?

Re: Does Thomas S Monson tell lies...?

Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2014 12:08 pm
by just me
Brad Hudson wrote:just me,

I hope you will at some point. I'm curious as to exactly what happened to Patton. Did you get a copy of his service file?


Well, I took a step back when Steve Benson indicated he would be ordering the service file and doing a paper on the story nearly 2 and a half years ago.

I would like to do a write up on Arthur Patton one of these days. I still have a file of information on him at my desk, including an order form for his service record. :lol: I have continued doing research on him here and there, I just don't plan on sharing it until I have an actual paper to share. I should probably give myself a deadline...Now I wish I had ordered the service file over the summer when I was considering it.

Re: Does Thomas S Monson tell lies...?

Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2014 12:19 pm
by Res Ipsa
I still don't have a clear answer from Steve as to whether he actually has the file. He listed the documents he has, but didn't say whether he obtained the file.

I hope you write up the paper.

Re: Does Thomas S Monson tell lies...?

Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2014 12:28 pm
by just me
Brad Hudson wrote:I still don't have a clear answer from Steve as to whether he actually has the file. He listed the documents he has, but didn't say whether he obtained the file.

I hope you write up the paper.


Pretty sure he only has what can be found online.

Re: Does Thomas S Monson tell lies...?

Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2014 2:20 pm
by Res Ipsa
just me wrote:
Brad Hudson wrote:I still don't have a clear answer from Steve as to whether he actually has the file. He listed the documents he has, but didn't say whether he obtained the file.

I hope you write up the paper.


Pretty sure he only has what can be found online.


I thought the monthly ship records were not available on line, but I see know they are on ancestry.com. So it looks like I might have been mistaken in thinking he had sources not available online. I've asked him in the other thread, so he can clarify if he chooses.

Re: Does Thomas S Monson tell lies...?

Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2014 1:19 pm
by Doctor CamNC4Me
This has really turned into an interesting mystery. I hope Just Me publishes her findings!

I thought about doing FOIA requests through the Navy & SSAN, but decided against it when Mr. Benson acted like a poop.

- Doc

Re: Does Thomas S Monson tell lies...?

Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2014 5:24 pm
by Bazooka
just me wrote:
Brad Hudson wrote:just me,

I hope you will at some point. I'm curious as to exactly what happened to Patton. Did you get a copy of his service file?


Well, I took a step back when Steve Benson indicated he would be ordering the service file and doing a paper on the story nearly 2 and a half years ago.

I would like to do a write up on Arthur Patton one of these days. I still have a file of information on him at my desk, including an order form for his service record. :lol: I have continued doing research on him here and there, I just don't plan on sharing it until I have an actual paper to share. I should probably give myself a deadline...Now I wish I had ordered the service file over the summer when I was considering it.


This will be interesting, I look forward to reading it.
I wonder if he has any living relatives?

Re: Does Thomas S Monson tell lies...?

Posted: Sat Feb 01, 2014 9:16 am
by ZelphtheGreat
He lives a lie, why wouldn't he tell them?

Re: Does Thomas S Monson tell lies...?

Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2014 4:52 pm
by Doctor CamNC4Me
Just a quick note.

I went to:

http://www.dtic.mil/dpmo/

and then to:

http://www.dtic.mil/dpmo/wwii/reports/nav_m_p.htm

Neither Arthur Patton nor Blake Lewis Pauley show up as MIA for WWII.

V/R
Doc

Re: Does Thomas S Monson tell lies...?

Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2014 5:30 pm
by The Erotic Apologist
Albion wrote:I don't know if the man lies or not but maintaining the myth that so many LDS people seem to believe, that he speaks with God as God's mouthpiece, is dishonest IMV.

You're right, he's almost as bad as that funny little dude in Rome who claims to be the vicar of Christ.

Re: Does Thomas S Monson tell lies...?

Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2014 10:10 am
by Bazooka
The Erotic Apologist wrote:
Albion wrote:I don't know if the man lies or not but maintaining the myth that so many LDS people seem to believe, that he speaks with God as God's mouthpiece, is dishonest IMV.

You're right, he's almost as bad as that funny little dude in Rome who claims to be the vicar of Christ.


Although, arguably, he seems to be starting to put his money where his mouth is....

Re: Does Thomas S Monson tell lies...?

Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2014 10:13 am
by The Erotic Apologist
Bazooka wrote:Although, arguably, he seems to be starting to put his money where his mouth is....

I have to agree. The Brethren in Salt Lake City could learn a lot from this guy.

Re: Does Thomas S Monson tell lies...?

Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2014 7:32 pm
by palerobber
for what it's worth, i consulted the 1940 census and there's an Arthur Patton in Salt Lake City, about 2 years older than Monson and living about a block away from him.

Monson, 311 W 500 S
George S Monson M 38
Gladus M Monson F 37
Gladys Monson F 16
Thomas Monson M 12
Robert Monson M 7

Patton, 200 W 533 S
Lewis O Patton M 57
Terese Patton F 45
Louis Patton M 17
Walter R Patton M 16
Arthur F Patton M 14
Doris M Patton F 11

...adding, looks like maybe this was already covered in this Jan 2014 thread:
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=32705