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I put this on this board. If i was wrong please move it.

I was on neworder Mormon over 10 years ago.
And most of the people there then, are still there now.
Cwald, moshka, and many more. There was a lesbian who was “abused” and litterally everything she wrote was some outlandish misinterpretation of doctrine through a feminist critical theory lens. It was actual obvious strawmanning which had no basis in logic or reality. (I didn't include her name for the reason that i think she is a bit touched and is nothing more than an example of the psychology.)

When the site went down (new order Mormon) these hyperusers took over and banned everyone who didn’t follow their very limited view of things. I believe cwald was banned as were many others. (More about this later)

This brings me to my point. There is a mental illness called “SCRUPULOSITY” which is kind of like religious OCD. It affects 7% of the population. It makes religion painful. They always feel unworthy and undergo extreme penenance and ritual to find “peace” which never comes.

After reading dozens of people writing litterally the exact same things over and over again over the course of 12 or so years, their complaints all seem the same. Obsessive fixation on certain elements.

Like i get it. The translation is bad. The history has holes etc. money, abuse, power. (im here I've heard it all)

But the fixation is the curious part. Normal people use anti Mormon sites for a few months or a year then move on. These hyper users never leave. Which means they 1) are paid 2) are supremely dedicated 3) have a mental issue compelling them.

Scrupulosity is a mental condition that makes a person take religion “too litterally” they always feel like they are unworthy or being punished etc. they become obsessed with it. With purity and unworthyness and confession.

Of course these feelings of guilt in a person cause a reaction. I wonder if severe anti- Mormonism isn't one of them. Since they cannot “unnaccept their guilt before god” they perpetually fight their conception of god which in this case is the “LDS church”.

They want to argue their way out of it. Which is an “easy” process for normal exmos but an impossible task for those with scrupulosity. Like a schizophrenic trying to loose his tails. They never go away because whereever he is, there they are too.

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That's a very interesting diagnosis. I've never heard of it, but I'll admit I've never read formally on the psychology of belief.

Four TBMs I've known very well leap to the mind as candidates. None of them have left the Church, and I can't imagine a circumstance under which any of them would leave. All of them have screwed themselves over in life many times; one in particular has ruined his life completely by his totally bizarre legalistic approach to the commandments, intense feelings of guilt, and voracious desire to sin. Three of the four had major hangups with "sexual sins" which have led to their undoings at times. All of them are strict interpreters of easy commandments like, not shopping or eating out on Sunday, no watching R-rated movies and are incredibly self-righteous about it.

I'm curious, in your reading about this condition, did it say anything about the propensity to leave the faith behind? I just don't see the connection to apostasy by the information you've presented nor in the lives of the folks I've known who seem to fit the mold. If a person is satisfying some bizarre self-destructive need then why would the person find their way out from that? Wouldn't that be a healthy transition? Transfer the blame of self into blame of the Church? By healthy, I mean relatively so. Out of the four, the person who is the worst off would be making a huge improvement by becoming legalistic about the standards to hold the Church to rather than the standards held to herself/his self. Isn't that the very essence of the problem you're describing, a double standard, but in the opposite direction we're used to thinking about it, where one is much harder on self than others? With that comes an odd sense of self-importance actually, where one perceives his or herself as messianic and chosen, but held back by sin. Yeah, thinking of all four of these individuals, leaving the Church would also mean leaving behind a framework that magnifies their importance.

It seems to me you're taking literalism in one way and assuming it extends to other contexts. Do people who wash their hands obsessively also tend to believe in a six-day creation etc?
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That's a very interesting diagnosis. I've never heard of it, but I'll admit I've never read formally on the psychology of belief.

Four TBMs I've known very well leap to the mind as candidates. None of them have left the Church, and I can't imagine a circumstance under which any of them would leave. All of them have screwed themselves over in life many times; one in particular has ruined his life completely by his totally bizarre legalistic approach to the commandments, intense feelings of guilt, and voracious desire to sin. Three of the four had major hangups with "sexual sins" which have led to their undoings at times. All of them are strict interpreters of easy commandments like, not shopping or eating out on Sunday, no watching R-rated movies and are incredibly self-righteous about it.

I'm curious, in your reading about this condition, did it say anything about the propensity to leave the faith behind? I just don't see the connection to apostasy by the information you've presented nor in the lives of the folks I've known who seem to fit the mold. If a person is satisfying some bizarre self-destructive need then why would the person find their way out from that? Wouldn't that be a healthy transition? Transfer the blame of self into blame of the Church? By healthy, I mean relatively so. Out of the four, the person who is the worst off would be making a huge improvement by becoming legalistic about the standards to hold the Church to rather than the standards held to herself/his self. Isn't that the very essence of the problem you're describing, a double standard, but in the opposite direction we're used to thinking about it, where one is much harder on self than others? With that comes an odd sense of self-importance actually, where one perceives his or herself as messianic and chosen, but held back by sin. Yeah, thinking of all four of these individuals, leaving the Church would also mean leaving behind a framework that magnifies their importance.

It seems to me you're taking literalism in one way and assuming it extends to other contexts. Do people who wash their hands obsessively also tend to believe in a six-day creation etc?
There are all sorts of reasons people are “righteous” or zealous. You seem to fixate on a narcissistic approach. They are “holy” in their own eyes therefore better.

I 100% think there are narcissitic sociopaths who derive pleasure from religion. But paycopaths and narcissits tend to exhibit those traits.
Gaslighting, victimhood, pathological behavior, projection, control, dominance behavior like in group out group, creating dependance for narcissitic supply.

100% some people on some boards are malignant narccisits on some boards. (Like the lesbian who was abused).

But i think many have a variation of scrupulosity. They are obsessed with their “guilt”. They do anti-Mormonism not as a transition, but as a penance.

“I don’t need to feel guilty because they’re hypocrites and liars”. that's great, but that process in a normal person only takes a month. Not 15 years. To have it go on for 15 years is beyond normal psychology.
Four TBMs I've known very well leap to the mind as candidates. None of them have left the Church, and I can't imagine a circumstance under which any of them would leave. All of them have screwed themselves over in life many times; one in particular has ruined his life completely by his totally bizarre legalistic approach to the commandments, intense feelings of guilt, and voracious desire to sin.
That sounds like text book SEVERE SCRUPILOSTY. In extreme cases it abslutely destroys a persons life. Leaving two choices stay or leave (since it is a psychological disorder, it doesn't get better. You can't just will it away).

Which is why i think some people experiencing that kind of ideation instead of becoming “overly penitant” instead become “overly anti Mormon” as the flip side of the coin. They absolve their guilt by continual degrdation of their “moral leader” rather than absolution and confession from the same.

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Yeah, thinking of all four of these individuals, leaving the Church would also mean leaving behind a framework that magnifies their importance.
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Hi iwanttotalk,

You had to have posted that here for a reason. Who on this message board do you think meets your criteria?

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Hi iwanttotalk,

You had to have posted that here for a reason. Who on this message board do you think meets your criteria?
I was just discussing the abstraction. The point of this place is gnosis isn't it.
SCRUPILOSITY is something that effects religious people, and therefore is something religious people should know about.

In Under the Banner of Heavan one of the now anti Mormons said it took two years for him not to wear garments. The persitence of the psychological mechanism of obedience is the point of my post.

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I think I understand what you’re saying. But, while I think what you describe could be fairly labeled as obsessive, I’m not convinced the compulsive behavior that is required for OCD is there. And if the person doesn’t qualify as having OCD, then they they don’t fit the profile of Scrupulosity.

Personally, I find the range of normal behavior for brains to be quite broad. I doubt you could succeed at finding a single explanation for anti-Mormonism.

Based on my own observations of people who transition out of Mormonism, some people go, never look back, and move on to new things. At the other extreme are some folks who are broken by the experience. I have no explanation for this broad spread in reactions. I simply wish all a happy life, realizing I’m in no real position to judge whether they are happy.
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Okay, let's pinpoint the problem here, iwanttotalk:

"Leaving two choices stay or leave (since it is a psychological disorder, it doesn't get better. You can't just will it away)."

Granted I'd never heard of the term until now, but I've skimmed a few articles, and I see nothing so far that indicates scrupulosity forces the sufferer into the choice of staying and self-condemnation, or leaving, and attacking the faith with proportionate zeal to their prior self-condemnation. If you can find a reference for that, I'd be glad to check it out.

(there are also several forms of OCD that intersect with religiosity, the particulars of scrupulosity make it difficult for me to imagine how it carries over into apostasy, and again, nothing I've come across so far addresses the apostate with scrupulosity. The head twist is that in scrupulosity, religious identity trumps all else, which isn't true for other intersections between OCDs and religiosity. How one can reject their religious identity and still suffer from a mental illness where religious identity is core is beyond me. Again, a reference should be available to clear this up)
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lemmie: "There are times when I am positive we are related, Gad, or at the very least, know the same people. Of course, what are the odds??"

I have no idea. Maybe we could get the Dales or John Gee to calculate them for us? Lol!
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Gadianton wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 10:55 pm
lemmie: "There are times when I am positive we are related, Gad, or at the very least, know the same people. Of course, what are the odds??"

I have no idea. Maybe we could get the Dales or John Gee to calculate them for us? Lol!
:lol: I can hear the Dales now: “Mormons are the center of the universe, so of course every ‘anti’ knows every other ‘anti’ . It’s a known fact.”

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This brings me to my point. There is a mental illness called “SCRUPULOSITY” which is kind of like religious OCD. It affects 7% of the population. It makes religion painful. They always feel unworthy and undergo extreme penenance and ritual to find “peace” which never comes.
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... Scrupulosity is a mental condition that makes a person take religion “too litterally” they always feel like they are unworthy or being punished etc. they become obsessed with it. With purity and unworthyness and confession.
Explain the pathophysiology of this illness or I will just assume it’s the effect of Xenu’s attack on operating thetans. Doesn’t sound scientific at all to me. What is “too literally” and who measures it and according to what standard? What is the acceptable amount of literalness in religious observance (then apply the same questions just asked)? Seems like it is encoding culture-specific values. Romans had a word for obsessive fixation on ceremony connected to personal worth: religio. They admired it. That was also their word for scrupulousness, incidentally.
After reading dozens of people writing litterally the exact same things over and over again over the course of 12 or so years, their complaints all seem the same. Obsessive fixation on certain elements.

Like i get it. The translation is bad. The history has holes etc. money, abuse, power. (im here I've heard it all)

But the fixation is the curious part. Normal people use anti Mormon sites for a few months or a year then move on. These hyper users never leave. Which means they 1) are paid 2) are supremely dedicated 3) have a mental issue compelling them.

Of course these feelings of guilt in a person cause a reaction. I wonder if severe anti- Mormonism isn't one of them. Since they cannot “unnaccept their guilt before god” they perpetually fight their conception of god which in this case is the “LDS church”.

They want to argue their way out of it. Which is an “easy” process for normal exmos but an impossible task for those with scrupulosity. Like a schizophrenic trying to loose his tails. They never go away because whereever he is, there they are too.
Hmmm. I don’t think schizophrenia is the best comparison. But people do things for all kinds of reasons that are very specific to their own circumstances and personalities. Are you by chance a millennial? My observation, often expressed here, is that what you describe characterizes a lot of ex Mormons born between the 1960s and 1980s. They experienced a certain kind of Mormonism that set up expectations about the function of religion and the place of the self within that which was not checked by the wider culture through information mechanisms like the internet, nor was it disrupted through something like social media: a single moment of doubt could come and go in the 1980s and to that extent could be controlled or at least reined in. People grew up with that and the went on missions and got married to other people who grew up that way and had children, all the while paying thousands of dollars in tithing and donating countless hours of labor. I don’t think a few months looking at anti-Mormon porn is enough to undo that in a way that leaves people without regret and bitterness, to say nothing of damaged relationships. What you are describing sounds less like obsession and more like a misguided self-therapy of rehearsing pain that can only be assuaged by forgetting or ignoring it. Unfortunately, the internet provides a platform for this rehearsal, which in turn feeds the sense of betrayal and thus an itch to prove the Church wrong for the four thousandth time needs to be scratched.

Conversely, people who grew up with the internet could indulge a doubt and in a single Google search not only have it confirmed but also find some subreddit, and before you know it they’re ____ the bishop’s son with abandon. Not having put much into Mormonism, it’s as easy to leave as you say. Easier even, because this is so widespread in the Church that it is not even much of a taboo to leave anymore. Added to all of this millennials and younger simply don’t see religion the same way because they are much more connected to the wider culture than older generations were, particularly at the time of life before marriage and children. That wider culture has had a skeptical attitude to truth claims in religion for nearly a century (Mormons are outliers on this, as are evangelicals). That’s wider culture hardly sees any value at all in religious institutions, let alone truth claims. Being much more connected to that culture than earlier generations of Mormons, millennials and younger really don’t care about truth claims on the whole and see religion as, at best, a site for self indulgent affirmation of their identity. Mormonism doesn’t do that, so it’s easier to leave than for a person who thinks of religion as a truth-based community project.

Of course, this only describes Mormons who took it seriously enough in the first place, which is a small percentage of people who have ever been Mormon. I just can’t see this as mentally ill though.
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I think people like to discuss religious issues. Message boards provide a forum where thoughts and issues can be discussed which could never be discussed at Church. I have noticed that people do this for variable time periods on boards that are both pro and con on religion. Some boards permit both sentiments.

Is that more OCD than stamp collecting? Only if you find yourself licking the back of your keyboard. Messaging is a valid form of communication where you can be in touch with those having similar interests and ideas. It places you in electronic proximity with those who can respond. If performed on certain blogs, you can experience the thrill of the cobra strikes without the deleterious effects of the venom. On NOM 2.0 you might encounter a wide variety of posters who seem uniformly friendly. Here at the Shades Board, you are in the bastion of free speech with just an echo of software dysfunction. Hope that helps.
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I post on these sites because my family is still in and politely looks down on me for not continuing to believe the obvious fairy tales. I've tried to politely let them know my position but they refuse to engage, yet they cheer when so and so from the extended family goes on a mission or gets married in the temple. They also politely encourage me to sit in the temple penalty box when the celestials are in watching the sealings. My father understands the issues but won't publicly admit it for my mom's sake and he loves his GA friends and doesn't want to lose those friendships either.

I often wonder if they would simply leave me alone, and everyone else, then perhaps I would lose interest. However, their business model depends on continuing to trick new dupes into paying tithing and offerings to the secretive fund and they've convinced themselves it is true. So, they aren't going away any time soon. And I guess I won't either.

Too bad the church and other churches can hide behind the first amendment. Perhaps the millenials and younger generations will see some day that fraud is fraud even when dressed up as a religion. People can certainly believe whatever, but, when it comes to missionary work, that's where it should be different. Many disclaimers should be given to the potential dupes and full and complete disclosure should be demanded of churches and their finances and no tying payment of fees to religious rites should be allowed.
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moksha wrote:
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I think people like to discuss religious issues. Message boards provide a forum where thoughts and issues can be discussed which could never be discussed at Church. I have noticed that people do this for variable time periods on boards that are both pro and con on religion. Some boards permit both sentiments.

Is that more OCD than stamp collecting? Only if you find yourself licking the back of your keyboard. Messaging is a valid form of communication where you can be in touch with those having similar interests and ideas. It places you in electronic proximity with those who can respond. If performed on certain blogs, you can experience the thrill of the cobra strikes without the deleterious effects of the venom. On NOM 2.0 you might encounter a wide variety of posters who seem uniformly friendly. Here at the Shades Board, you are in the bastion of free speech with just an echo of software dysfunction. Hope that helps.
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Iwanttotalk's sketch could apply to some people. It is an amusing suggestion. I do think it is a pretty limited group however, perhaps the seven percent which was suggested would fit. I think people who post about Mormonism are a pretty verigated bunch. It even includes some nut cases.

I post because it forces me to think on occasion and there are interesting things posted by other people. I even have to reconsider my thoughts sometimes.

I was not familiar with the NOM board so took a few minutes to check it out. I saw a number of people stuck socially in the church but having to deal with the fact that their mind was outside of the church. I can imagine that is an ongoing struggle.

I am uncomfortable with the term antimormon. Who is that supposed to be? I associate its use with Mormons annoyed with exbelievers and who want to attach some simple diagnosis to them.( they can't stop sinning, they are mentally unbalanced, they are ignorant due to laziness of all the truth in the church, etc)

So Iwanttotalk, I am puzzled. Are you just bored with to much repetition on Mormon message boards? Boredom can become a problem.Sometimes new subjects and points of view appear here. Inbetwen it appears that boredom is relieved by periodic obsession with some fellow named Daniel Peterson. Or perhaps are you a believer complaining that people who leave the church don't just shutup and mind their own business like they are supposed to?

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huckelberry wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 12:10 pm
Or perhaps are you a believer complaining that people who leave the church don't just shutup and mind their own business like they are supposed to?
Nice persecution complex you’ve developed there. Does it come with a free bunker mentality? Are church infiltrators monitoring the board?...... anyways.
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I post on these sites because my family is still in and politely looks down on me for not continuing to believe the obvious fairy tales.

I often wonder if they would simply leave me alone, and everyone else, then perhaps I would lose interest. However, their business model depends on continuing to trick new dupes into paying tithing and offerings to the secretive fund and they've convinced themselves it is true. So, they aren't going away any time soon. And I guess I won't either.

Too bad the church and other churches can hide behind the first amendment. Perhaps the millenials and younger generations will see some day that fraud is fraud even when dressed up as a religion. People can certainly believe whatever, but, when it comes to missionary work, that's where it should be different. Many disclaimers should be given to the potential dupes and full and complete disclosure should be demanded of churches and their finances and no tying payment of fees to religious rites should be allowed.
Your’s in an interesting comment because it deliniates the common milleu of anti Mormon boards. Which i might add is very much the byproduct of hollywood propaganda propagated by the famous athiests like Sagan.

that's fine. I get it.

But have you considered that the alternative to Mormonism is worse. Have you lived in your liberal athiest multi cultural Utopia? You might find yourself very quickly coming to a different conclusion about religion.

Im a supporter of Mormonism.

I also find the attacks on the church about money dubious. Ahhh yes the church should liquidate everything it has and feed the poor for a day. Otherwise they are not moral! Checkmate!
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Is that more OCD than stamp collecting? ... On NOM 2.0 you might encounter a wide variety of posters who seem uniformly friendly. Here at the Shades Board, you are in the bastion of free speech with just an echo of software dysfunction. Hope that helps.
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Gadianton wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 10:27 pm
Okay, let's pinpoint the problem here, iwanttotalk:

"Leaving two choices stay or leave (since it is a psychological disorder, it doesn't get better. You can't just will it away)."

Granted I'd never heard of the term until now, but I've skimmed a few articles, and I see nothing so far that indicates scrupulosity forces the sufferer into the choice of staying and self-condemnation, or leaving, and attacking the faith with proportionate zeal to their prior self-condemnation. If you can find a reference for that, I'd be glad to check it out.

(there are also several forms of OCD that intersect with religiosity, the particulars of scrupulosity make it difficult for me to imagine how it carries over into apostasy, and again, nothing I've come across so far addresses the apostate with scrupulosity. The head twist is that in scrupulosity, religious identity trumps all else, which isn't true for other intersections between OCDs and religiosity. How one can reject their religious identity and still suffer from a mental illness where religious identity is core is beyond me. Again, a reference should be available to clear this up)
Well the first clue should have been when i never said

“I read in this really great book about how scrupulosity turns into...”
and rather said. Scrupulosity is an interesting phenominon. Do you think it applies here?

Limited hangout forum sliding sophistry with integrated fallacy never fails to ammuse me.

This place and all like it are a construct which can never surpass the constituency of its components. Usually they self radicalize and show a uniform philisophical paradigm which outsiders are punished for not adopting. That uniformity is most often maintained by censorship in the case of internet forums.

I was never one for uniformity.

Why do you come here? Being honest with oneself isn't a common human trait. Since you so cavalierly use sophistry and fallacious thinking in your arguments im not sure you are being honestly probative.

I mean that's why we are all here. For some its commiseration, for others its a social group, and others its a place to express their identy as neither gentile or Mormon.

The thing about most “believers” is that they aren't believers. How many have read all the histroy books? And the journal of discources? And can tell you the particularities of the Mormon schizms through time? Not many. For them they go to church on sundays and if it doesn't make much sense that's okay.

Talk to an anti Mormon though. Theyll tell you the foubdational relationship between kaballah and hermeticism and jupiter talismans and the magical worldview or early Mormonism.

That isn't psychologically normal.

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It looks like jskains is still reading and failing to understand.
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iwanttotalk wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 1:06 pm
huckelberry wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 12:10 pm
Or perhaps are you a believer complaining that people who leave the church don't just shutup and mind their own business like they are supposed to?
Nice persecution complex you’ve developed there. Does it come with a free bunker mentality? Are church infiltrators monitoring the board?...... anyways.

Direct jump to insults and weird assumptions? Well my question was answered anyway. I am satisfied.

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When I was elementary school age, a friend and I would often ride our bikes to a small pizza place that had a small video arcade in it. We'd drop a five and exchange our hard earned time converted to money into a currency that only had value at that particular pizza joint. Then we'd spend the tokens on games. Sometimes we'd grab a pizza, other times we just went there to get out of the heat and play the new games they brought in. Depending on how the day went we might have to leave before the tokens were gone and we'd have to keep them for next time or they'd be worthless.

I tend to think growing up into adulthood in the Mormon church had an exchange rate of time-to-social capital not unlike exchanging something of liquid value (time) for something that has almost no value anywhere but the LDS church. I think a lot of people who end up leaving also end up with loose Mormon-social currency tokens in their pockets that represent a lot of time that they can't use elsewhere. So a message board like this becomes places where some of those tokens can be dropped. A few people become social contacts beyond board discussions, resulting in the conversion of those Mormon time tokens into new social connections that have little to do with Mormonism, and the social economics of the message board evolves.
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Re: Anti-mormonism just a byproduct of OCD?

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iwanttotalk wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 1:06 pm
Your’s in an interesting comment because it deliniates the common milleu of anti Mormon boards. Which i might add is very much the byproduct of hollywood propaganda propagated by the famous athiests like Sagan.
This seems a bit like crazy talk, since you forgot to include Grigori Rasputin and Vlad the Impaler.
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