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Here is one of my favorite interactions with Gemli:

Moksha gemli • 22 days ago
Gemli - But people born today have no more innate knowledge of how the universe really formed than he did...
What if they were given hidden knowledge by an angel and read stuff in an ancient buried book?

gemli Moksha • 22 days ago
Oh, well, that's different.

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moksha wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 1:00 am
Here is one of my favorite interactions with Gemli:

Moksha gemli • 22 days ago
Gemli - But people born today have no more innate knowledge of how the universe really formed than he did...
What if they were given hidden knowledge by an angel and read stuff in an ancient buried book?

gemli Moksha • 22 days ago
Oh, well, that's different.
:lol: That’s too funny. You guys make a great team.

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True. Gemli and Moksha should take their act on the road.

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Gemli wrote:I thought you'd be pleased that someone got the point of your post. Of course the point of many of your posts about science is to emphasize the wonder, uncertainty and the mystery that surrounds certain scientific topics. A title such as "The World is not as Real as we Think" implies that science is conceding the possibility of mysterious influences. It's a small step from that to the mystery of gods, angels, demons and all the other entities that populate the world of the devout devotee. Did I hit that nail on the head?
Yes, you hit the nail on the head.

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An honorary gem, rightly awarded to moksha, after Sic et Non’s resident curmudgeon demanded (demanded?) gemli’s appearance:

Moksha Louis Midgley • 3 hours ago

Science can deliver us on very high speed trains from Shenzhen to Beijing. It can possibly deliver 1.21 Gigawatts of power, but can it deliver Gemli from Lou's desire to pummel him into making a mea culpa that religion is truer, bigger, stronger and a lot more important than science?

http://disq.us/p/2a7xvil
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(Note to registrar: Three honorary gems qualify as one honorary class credit. Unlike those on Midgley’s doctoral path, we here at Cassius don’t just bypass degree requirements.)

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Oh my.
It’s relatively easy to agree that only Homo sapiens can speak about things that don’t really exist, and believe six impossible things before breakfast. You could never convince a monkey to give you a banana by promising him limitless bananas after death in monkey heaven.

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This “gem” award goes to Dr Shades, for succinctly stating the obvious in the face of the never-ending and increasingly nonsensical libeling of gemli:

You-know-who:

...which gemli never even tries to actually define, other than it being a way of understanding the natural world, and never being able to explain such things as why water runs down rather than up hill.

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Dr. Shades Louis Midgley

“. . . and never being able to explain such things as why water runs down rather than up hill.“


It's because of gravity.

http://disq.us/p/2actry5
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A little science goes a long way.

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Aww, shucks. Thank you, Lemmie! It's an honor to have one of my posts mentioned among the great gemli's.

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Yeah, I'm a bit curious about what Midgley might have been thinking about water, there. We don't fully understand gravity because we can't reconcile it with quantum mechanics? We can't explain why we often see water run downhill but never see the time-reversed flow even though it should also be a solution to the microscopic equations of motion for all the molecules?

These are real issues, all right, and kudos to Midgley if he understands them. If he does, though, he should also understand that these unresolved issues in physics, huge as they are, are as gnats compared to the camels that have to be swallowed in the more difficult disciplines whose subjects are more complex than physics. Physics is by definition the study of the simplest things, so physics doesn't have any right to boast of its successes, but you still really shouldn't pick a fight with physics about who is more ignorant.

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My pleasure, Dr. Shades!

I really don’t know where to put this, but it is too funny for this farmgirl to pass up. Maybe we need to create a “Moksha’s Bon Mots” or something, but in the meantime, with minor modifications, a gemli's gem for Moksha, for his response to someone being called “small potatoes”:
moksha wrote: ...I wondered if you would defend his potatoes. Men must guard their potatoes lest they be hoed.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Yeah, Moksha's posts make me laugh multiple times per day. I feel like Moksha should be monetizing the comedic brilliance, but suspect that happens in real life plenty.

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I'll second and third that. Moksha is one of my very favorite pick me up reads of all time. I read absolutely everything he writes and delight in it immensely! That it sails right over the heads of the apologists is pure bonus and Moksha will have his 2nd anointing from Jesus personally since he can even make the gods laugh when they lament how utterly stupid their own defenders are here on earth.
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gemli MKWhitmer • 17 hours ago

I suppose I view offense differently than you do. I don't take the slightest offense when I'm set upon by theists who deny scientific reality, or when Dr. Midgley uses my entire life story to build a stick figure of who I am.

That's probably because I'm secure in my understanding of the real world and confident that rational, evidence-based investigation will continue to transform our lives they way it has since the Enlightenment.

Those who are less secure may feel their worldviews are being threatened, and that's a shame.

http://disq.us/p/2at5y5n
Midgley and Peterson are giving the non-LDS world a very bad impression of the LDS religion.

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Gemli’s on a roll:

gemli Louis Midgley • a day ago

Yes, gemli baldly asserts that evidence is required to justify belief. Those who truly believe in things that never happened will often demand that nonbelievers show evidence that pigs didn't fly or that aliens didn't probe them or that gods don't exist. Of course this is logically impossible, but they consider it a point for their side when no such evidence is forthcoming.

Gemli was not adept at higher mathematics, but it doesn't take a mathematical genius to put two and two together.

http://disq.us/p/2aswkkx
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Let's see Gemli argue with the full force of the Interpreter science department:

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Lol. I think Midgley’s been had.

gemli tavs 9 hours ago

If it weren't for religions and the untold numbers of faithful followers, I would be bereft. If they knew how much I enjoyed arguing with them they'd probably become atheists just to spite me.

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I wish Gemli would look deep into his science cap and translate the Reformed Egyptian message from this Sic et Non illustration. The sacrifice may have been attempted on this so-called "Golgi Apparatus", but we can wait for Gemli's confirmation.
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peterson gets a gemli's gem here, simply for being a lying liar:
DanielPeterson gemli 9 hours ago
For those who may be new to the board, permit me to introduce gemli:

He's a fairly innocuous representative of dogmatic atheism, one of our planet's smaller faith traditions but also one with an ancient pedigree. He likes to profess his faith here quite frequently. Please treat him kindly.
SMALLER faith traditions? What a putz.

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In the face of Midgley’s depravity, a behavior that is shamelessly goaded on by Peterson, gemli rises to the occasion as a beautiful example of the better side of a human being.
gemli • a day ago

Let me go on record by stating that I would be bereft if I couldn't argue with theists. Some are merely misinformed, some are nuttier than fruitcakes, some are sincere and others are opportunists. In short, they're people: flawed, infuriating, gentle, rabid, smart and confusing people. I can't imagine what they think of a heathen in their midst, although they do let it slip every now and then. I take no offense for myself, but I'm protective of science, common sense, logic and other topics that routinely take a beating on this site. And if I left, I think Dr. Midgley would pine away, and I don't want that to happen.

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Has gemli professed to be a dogmatic atheist? What does it even mean for an atheist to be dogmatic?

My guess is it means to be sure that no kind of God exists, even to believe that the nonexistence of any kind of God is so obvious that everyone else should be sure of it, too, so that unbelievers have a duty to spread their unbelief to others. Under that definition I reckon that dogmatic atheism really is a small religious tradition, and one that is about as liable to skepticism as any other. It's not as big a leap of faith as, say, Mormonism, because it only has one tenet instead of a great mass of arbitrary details that don't really all follow from one basic belief. But okay, I guess it's a small religion.

If that's dogmatic atheism then I think most atheists must be of the non-dogmatic type. They don't claim to be sure there's no God of any kind, though they may be pretty confident that certain particular notions of God are fictitious. They just think that the likelihood of any particular kind of God existing is too low to warrant acting upon the belief that that kind of God exists, where different "particular kinds" of Deity are distinguished by requiring incompatible kinds of action by believers. The non-dogmatic atheist's main confidence, as I understand it, is that this upper bound on the likelihood of any particular kind of God is a firm one which ought to be clear to unbiased people.

I don't think the fraction of humans who think that way is so small. Whether you want to call non-dogmatic atheism a religion is fundamentally as moot as terminology usually is, I suppose, but to me it seems a stretch to call an opinion a religion if it not only entails no particular actions but is defined by refusing to have actions entailed. And of course it's inherently a heck of a lot harder to pick holes in a position that only upholds a finite upper bound on likelihood than on one that tries to make anything's likelihood high. Non-dogmatic atheism doesn't offer good targets because it doesn't stick its neck out very far.

That's my view as a theist, anyway. If you want to attack atheism then it would be convenient if all atheism were of the dogmatic type. That's a much easier target for sure. Thinking that all atheism is really dogmatic, though, would be wishful thinking. I don't understand how anyone who has thought about atheism at all would suppose that it always had to be dogmatic.

Is Peterson really being that willfully blind? Or has gemli actually advanced dogmatic views?

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Sure, in your summary, being a dogmatic atheist is like being a dogmatic round-earther. Flat-earthers believe everyone else is dogmatic also.

For the apologists, the main three on Sic et Non all being hyper-sensitive, it's all about personality. Midgley talks about this guy who is a "secular Russian Jew" (I think I have that right) that is a model for non-belief. We actually don't know anything about how this character thinks, but we know that he doesn't challenge Midgley's religious beliefs, and so therefore, he's not dogmatic.
Lou Midgley 08/20/2020: "...meat wad," and "cockroach" are pithy descriptions of human beings used by gemli? They were not fashioned by Professor Peterson.

LM 11/23/2018: one can explain away the soul of human beings...as...a Meat Unit, to use Professor Peterson's clever derogatory description of gemli's ideology.

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