DCP's ongoing problem with plagiarism

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I think it is hilarious that originally in posting and research it is too much work for a professional scholar to actually do it right the first time and properly reference sources with quotes, and then when he is caught, he takes the time to quote and demonstrate the references. What a lazy ass of a scholar. But then again, numbers impress him, so he thinks 666 lousy but speedily produced plagiarized are vastly superior to show the superiority of the Mormon mind, than just a mere 10 excellent scholarly articles all properly sourced. Obviously, even to the oblivious, 666 is a vastly superior spiritually large number than a mere 10.

You guys and gals are my heroes! Your work is STELLAR and seriously significant and completely demonstrating that fundamentally nothing of Peterson's is ever to be taken seriously. That is unless you are one of his little deacons passing his holy sacrament. THEN you best tow the line and praise him seriously or you will be demoted to semi-deacon and have to forgo passing the Peterson Sacrament for a year for punishment. Repentance can be sped up, I am sure, if you pay your tithing to this deity in the making in advance before he becomes Elohim, while he is still alive here on earth, and then he can give you credit, and in heaven you won't have to blow all your hard earned earth money.....WIN-WIN for mopologists and their gophers.

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Now he’s desperately claiming his blog is just an easier place to ‘jot down his notes’ for a future book. Or. Whatever. So, that’s why sometimes he plagiarizes because, like, his blog is an electronic index card. Or whatever.

My eyes rolled so hard I just gave myself a migraine.

Edit: Doesn’t explain his DN articles, some of his MI work, nor his *whispers* dissertation.

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ROFL. This is seriously pathological. It reminds me of how Michael Richards imploded on stage and just went from bad to worse to done, all in one night.

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Well, when you’ve managed to develop a coterie of ass kissers who say, “Hmmm, the thing is “they” must be real dullards to invest time in such a lofty pursuit. Who in their right mind, or with anything productive going on, goes looking for evidence of plagiarism on an apologist’s blog? That really is, in itself, evidence of “pathetic.””

Mormon morality, folks. Instead of being bothered or angered by theft, taking credit for others’ works, and being dishonest with your fellow man you get mad at people documenting it, because the plagiarizer, instead of owning up to it and fixing his issues doubles, triples, and quadruples down.

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It looks like a Peterson has at least eliminated his doxxing attempt:

[Postscript: To those who obsessively scan these entries seeking evidence of plagiarism against me:
No more names.

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Coach responds:

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/danpeters ... oices.html

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Dr. Exiled • 4 hours ago

Why not just properly attribute sources? That'll surely kill the "obsession" from "scumbag central" at finding plagiarism.


DanielPeterson Mod Dr. Exiled • an hour ago

Overwhelmingly -- OVERWHELMINGLY -- I do.

Sometimes my phrasing has -- by my own standards -- come inadvertently too close to that of a source that I've used. I write rapidly, and I confess that I've always worried about such a possibility. (I've seen the cases of Stephen Ambrose and Doris Kearns Goodwin, who, I'm confident, didn't intend to plagiarize, and I've recognized who easily such a thing can happen without any intention to do so.) In such cases, when and if I've been aware of it, I've altered my phrasing.

In many cases, I simply don't agree that what has been "discovered" amounts to plagiarism. When I'm merely taking and sharing notes from a book or an article, and they're identified as notes from such and such a book or article, I don't think it especially troublesome -- especially in an ephemeral medium like a blog -- if some of the notes are close paraphrases of their identified source. When it's simply a matter of grabbing some dates and simple facts, I don't see any "plagiarism" in getting those non-proprietary facts from Wikipedia or some biographical dictionary or other without attribution. I never footnote uncontested dates; I feel no need to supply references for asserting that, say, US involvement in World War Two began in 1941 and ended in 1945, or that JFK was killed on 22 November 1963. By the time that the notes I share here are integrated into a published text -- if they actually ever are -- they will have been merged with other relevant notes and integrated into a larger text and a larger argument, and substantially re-written.

That will be the time when your associates can devote their computer resources and substantial time with most devastating effect to trying to discredit me and, thus, to silence any argument that I try to make.

In the meantime, Self-Exiled, I'm serving notice on you that I won't put up with your attempting to agitate on this issue here on my blog. You have a dedicated platform in your home message board where attacks on me of all kinds are the favorite pastime. Don't try to press my blog into redundant service for that enterprise.

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Yeah, so a non admission it is. “I don’t plagiarize almost all of the time, so leave me alone when I do!”

I wonder if he is as lenient in plagiarism standards when grading student papers.

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I never footnote uncontested dates; I feel no need to supply references for asserting that, say, US involvement in World War Two began in 1941 and ended in 1945, or that JFK was killed on 22 November 1963.
Peterson protests over nothing he has been accused of, and glosses over the dozens of times he has been caught. If he didn’t consider those previous times “plagiarism,” why has he after the fact added references and repeatedly offered mea culpas, stating his (self-admitted) plagiarism was inadvertent? His attempts to downplay what he’s done are overrun by the dozens of examples detailed in this thread alone.

The rest of his excuse is just another layer of bluster over getting caught, yet again, as he has many, many times before. No one agrees with his definition of acceptable usage, not any of the sources he has stolen from, including Wikipedia and innumerable authors and journalists, not his blog host Patheos, not Deseret News, not the BYU Honor Code, not any other institution of higher education nor any other journalist source. And especially not the Faculty standard of the academic honor code he is held to as a BYU faculty member.

He is alone in asserting he has the right to steal intellectual property. His behavior is indefensible.

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Think about the rationalization that culminates in a statement like “overwhelmingly, I do”. That also means, “sometimes, I don’t.”

What does such a process look like, sometimes? Some elements must be involved.

An idea forms, or is stumbled upon
A blog post is started
A declaration is made, such as “my ongoing commentary”
A web search is performed
A selection of someone else’s words is copied and pasted
A word replacement is performed, rounding the corners to Petersonize the sentences
No care is taken to credit the borrowed words
The post is “published” with a button click

This isn’t absent mindedness about note taking. It is a deliberate avoidance of responsibility for academic honesty. Give me a break. Dan keeps digging himself deeper and deeper with the lame rationalizations.

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I speculated in a thread last year that DCP was being urged to retire by people in his home department. Now, he's got the "Continuing Status" thing at BYU, meaning that it is going to be both painful and difficult to kick him out, provided that that's the consensus of the Powers That Be. I bet that there are boatloads of people who wish to hell that he'd just take a hike: people in his home department; people in the Dean's office of his college; people in the Office of the President; people in the COB. But, hey: he likes collecting his salary and spending it on rich-tasting foods, and long vacations spanning the globe. So, for the pay, he's willing to put up with the fact that just about all of his colleagues hate his guts--after all, why should he care: look how many views his blog gets!

I would be willing to bet money on the fact that there are plenty of people at BYU who are very aware of this thread, and I'd also be willing to bet that DCP knows that they know, and that that is part of the reason why he keeps doing it: "I'm collecting my goddamn pay. I dare you to go ahead and try to stop me!"

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Dr Moore wrote:
Wed Apr 29, 2020 9:10 pm
Think about the rationalization that culminates in a statement like “overwhelmingly, I do”. That also means, “sometimes, I don’t.”

What does such a process look like, sometimes? Some elements must be involved.

An idea forms, or is stumbled upon
A blog post is started
A declaration is made, such as “my ongoing commentary”
A web search is performed
A selection of someone else’s words is copied and pasted
A word replacement is performed, rounding the corners to Petersonize the sentences
No care is taken to credit the borrowed words
The post is “published” with a button click

This isn’t absent mindedness about note taking. It is a deliberate avoidance of responsibility for academic honesty. Give me a break. Dan keeps digging himself deeper and deeper with the lame rationalizations.
I agree that he is going for the absent minded professor defense and hence the use of the word "overwhelming" makes sense here. I don't think it is that hard to attribute sources when known and there are easy plagiarism checks on the internet to review work. So, there is no reason to not be 100% in compliance, if not at least 95% if one allows for some innocent error. He has been caught so many times that I wonder if it is just a case of not wanting to put in the effort necessary to check and then attribute sources? That takes time and perhaps only two or maybe one post could be done per day and not three or four or five. Then there is perhaps the desire to be seen as a polymath among his groupies that defend him to no end. So why not cut a few corners? It is just a blog and not an academic journal or book he is going to publish. Also, we aren't much of a threat over her and this only gives him fuel to play the victim card once again.

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Doctor Scratch wrote:
Wed Apr 29, 2020 9:18 pm
I speculated in a thread last year that DCP was being urged to retire by people in his home department. Now, he's got the "Continuing Status" thing at BYU, meaning that it is going to be both painful and difficult to kick him out, provided that that's the consensus of the Powers That Be. I bet that there are boatloads of people who wish to hell that he'd just take a hike: people in his home department; people in the Dean's office of his college; people in the Office of the President; people in the COB. But, hey: he likes collecting his salary and spending it on rich-tasting foods, and long vacations spanning the globe. So, for the pay, he's willing to put up with the fact that just about all of his colleagues hate his guts--after all, why should he care: look how many views his blog gets!

I would be willing to bet money on the fact that there are plenty of people at BYU who are very aware of this thread, and I'd also be willing to bet that DCP knows that they know, and that that is part of the reason why he keeps doing it: "I'm collecting my goddamn pay. I dare you to go ahead and try to stop me!"
Is "continuing status" the BYU form of academic tenure?

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Peterson:

In many cases, I simply don't agree that what has been "discovered" amounts to plagiarism. When I'm merely taking and sharing notes from a book or an article, and they're identified as notes from such and such a book or article, I don't think it especially troublesome -- especially in an ephemeral medium like a blog -- if some of the notes are close paraphrases of their identified source.
The St. Martin’s Guide to Writing disagrees.

It is important to not only cite the source, but also to restate the author’s description in your own words.

Too closely imitating the author’s language structure in your summary or paraphrase is a form of plagiarism, even if you provide a citation, because it gives the false impression that the words are your own when they are not.

This includes rearranging the author’s sentences but using mostly the same wording, or simply inserting synonyms into the author’s sentence arrangement.


To avoid doing this, make sure you are processing the author’s ideas and then presenting them in a way that is uniquely yours. Too closely mirroring the author’s syntax and word choice not only shows disregard for properly crediting the author, but does not give your own voice a chance to shine.

https://davidson.libguides.com/c.php?g=349327&p=2361767
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Kiwi57 Dr. Exiled • 11 hours ago • edited
Darn. I was going to point out that Exiled's fellow haters merely drew a bull's-eye around anything Dan wrote that wasn't footnoted, and howled about "plagiarism."

But Dan has edited out his libel, so I suppose I'd better not.

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/danpeters ... oices.html
Kiwi apparently has not read this thread, where every case of plagiarism noted is documented.

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Doctor Scratch wrote:
Wed Apr 29, 2020 2:41 pm
Oh, wow. He's making what I'm almost certain is a false accusation in an attempt to doxx someone.
An update, of sorts:

Kiwi57 DanielPeterson • 12 hours ago

I noticed that you altered your Postscript to remove the name of the lead heel-biter in that rather ignoble endeavour. Did that person actually object to you naming her, after she attacked you directly by name?


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DanielPeterson Mod Kiwi57 • 10 hours ago

She claimed, perhaps accurately, that the identification was inaccurate. Since it came from "Smokey," that may well be true -- although his identifications were accurate in the cases where I knew them already.

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Poor ole Dr. Duplicate Copy Pasterson, you can lead a man to knowledge but you can't make him think.

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I now have 10 single-spaced pages in a Word file. It contains side-by-side columns, showing plagiarized text segments from multiple Interpreter articles dating back to 2012, authored by Daniel C. Peterson.

This includes:
* Unattributed, self-plagiarized articles from older Deseret News columns (slightly altered, mostly word-for-word, some up to 7 years after first print)
* Unattributed, self-plagiarized FARMS article, presented and then printed as if original work, 2 years after first print
* Examples of unattributed, stolen sentences and paragraphs from places such as etymonline.com and wikipedia.com

I can only imagine what might happen if this appalling pattern of academic dishonesty were perpetrated by another BYU professor who wasn't being paid to spend the majority of every working day engaged in the dirty work of Mopologetics. It must be good to have the brethren at one's back, but I doubt any of them are aware of the taint being leaked onto BYU and its valuable degree programs.

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Wed Apr 29, 2020 8:58 pm
Yeah, so a non admission it is. “I don’t plagiarize almost all of the time, so leave me alone when I do!”

I wonder if he is as lenient in plagiarism standards when grading student papers.
His entire method of teaching has probably evolved to telling them Google it. Everything is on Google and already done.....after all, that's what real scholars like lil ole me do. And it'll make you look almost as intelligent and well read as myself.

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Dr Moore wrote:
Thu Apr 30, 2020 11:29 am
I now have 10 single-spaced pages in a Word file. It contains side-by-side columns, showing plagiarized text segments from multiple Interpreter articles dating back to 2012, authored by Daniel C. Peterson.

This includes:
* Unattributed, self-plagiarized articles from older Deseret News columns (slightly altered, mostly word-for-word, some up to 7 years after first print)
* Unattributed, self-plagiarized FARMS article, presented and then printed as if original work, 2 years after first print
* Examples of unattributed, stolen sentences and paragraphs from places such as etymonline.com and wikipedia.com

I can only imagine what might happen if this appalling pattern of academic dishonesty were perpetrated by another BYU professor who wasn't being paid to spend the majority of every working day engaged in the dirty work of Mopologetics. It must be good to have the brethren at one's back, but I doubt any of them are aware of the taint being leaked onto BYU and its valuable degree programs.
Oh sure they are aware of it. Jesus tells them everything. He's just put the qabosh on doing anything about it because after all......hee, hee, it IS spreading his Gospel..... :rolleyes: "The glory of God is plagiarism."

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Dr. Moore,

If you wouldn’t mind sharing some of those examples it’d be, well, delightful.

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Lemmie wrote:
Thu Apr 30, 2020 7:36 am

Kiwi57 Dr. Exiled • 11 hours ago • edited
Darn. I was going to point out that Exiled's fellow haters merely drew a bull's-eye around anything Dan wrote that wasn't footnoted, and howled about "plagiarism."

But Dan has edited out his libel, so I suppose I'd better not.

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/danpeters ... oices.html
Kiwi apparently has not read this thread, where every case of plagiarism noted is documented.
Kiwi doesn't have to read anything, he has the Holy Ghost to teach him the truth... and the love of Jesus to spread the Gospel of love..... :rolleyes: After all, Jesus was an asshole to the world in his day (uh, it actually is well documented incidentally, I'm just sayinnnnnn), so his followers can follow his example and excuse their assholery with "if it was good enough for Jesus, it's good enough for me!"

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