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 Post subject: Law of Attraction and Mormonism
PostPosted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 8:28 pm 
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I’m a lifelong, believing member who discovered the Law of Attraction about five years ago. I find the ideas in LOA not just compatible with my beliefs as a Mormon, but LOA has become informative to me, deepening and broadening my beliefs.

After Googling “Mormonism and Law of Attraction”, I was surprised that I didn’t find more writing about it, so I started a blog today to talk about how Law of Attraction ideas figure heavily in the Book of Mormon: https://loabom.blogspot.com/

I am curious to know if anyone here has had experiences with LOA similar to mine? I've never met another member who even knows anything about it, so I am hoping to hear from a few members on this forum who may have had experience with it and are interested in talking about it and sharing notes.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 8:39 pm 
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I have spent some time on your blog and as a result have categorized LOA as DOA. It is nothing more than new, or not so new, woo woo.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 7:31 am 
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nebosite wrote:
I’m a lifelong, believing member who discovered the Law of Attraction about five years ago. I find the ideas in LOA not just compatible with my beliefs as a Mormon, but LOA has become informative to me, deepening and broadening my beliefs.

After Googling “Mormonism and Law of Attraction”, I was surprised that I didn’t find more writing about it, so I started a blog today to talk about how Law of Attraction ideas figure heavily in the Book of Mormon: https://loabom.blogspot.com/

I am curious to know if anyone here has had experiences with LOA similar to mine? I've never met another member who even knows anything about it, so I am hoping to hear from a few members on this forum who may have had experience with it and are interested in talking about it and sharing notes.

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It's a fraud that was promoted by Rhonda Byrnes via Oprah. It's for people who can't grasp confirmation bias. If you're willing to believe that, you'll believe anything. Hand over your credit cards, your vehicle titles and your house deed to trusted family members. Best of luck.

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 Post subject: Re: Law of Attraction and Mormonism
PostPosted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 11:28 am 
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Man people have short memories.

This is just The Power of Positive Thinking or The Secret all over again.

When you think about it, it does tie directly into the Mormon style of finding "truth". All one has to do is think positively about anything and it becomes true. Unfortunately this same mechanism also leads to discovering that Scientology is true or any other religion.

One thing you will not find is any believer using the LOA to discover if Mormonism is false? Or even to discover if any religion besides Mormonism is true. So this is just another example of Moroni's promise on steroids.


Can you imagine where we would be today if science used this approach?
Well we wouldn't be using computers, that's for sure. The world would still be flat, the center of the galaxy (what universe?) and only about 6000 years old.

Hey nebosite, the best way to actually learn is to challenge what you believe, not try and confirm it.

By the way there was a guy who thought a lot like you who strongly and faithfully believed he could prove the Book of Mormon to be true through archaeology by the name of Thomas Stuart Ferguson. You might be interested in reading his story.

Link is to a pdf file.

The Odyssey of Thomas Stuart Ferguson

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 3:06 pm 
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It's as illogical as Moroni's Promise.

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 Post subject: Re: Law of Attraction and Mormonism
PostPosted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 5:18 pm 
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Thanks for all the replies.

I'm not familiar with this forum and I think I've done a poor job framing my request for discussion. I feel a little "written off" before we've even had a chance to get going.

I know about "The Power of Positive Thinking" and "The Secret" and I find myself deeply skeptical of those works. It may also surprise you to know that I don't think the Book of Mormon is historical. My background is in science and engineering, so it's been clear to me for a long time that I need to take a broader view than the carefully packaged religion I got in my youth.

That said, I also notice the complete failure of logic and science to describe fundamentals of existence, such as consciousness or even existence itself. I can use critical thinking to make a decision about what car to buy, but when it comes the thinking about the meaning of life, we all have to make bets. Pascal's wager, of course, touches on this idea but it's illogical to conclude a bet on Christianity. The furthest one can get in the wager's line of logic is to bet that there is productive path that is knowable, but only through irrational means, such as feelings. It's not my purpose to discuss that in this thread - just wanted to give a little background.

Regarding Law of Attraction:
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All one has to do is think positively about anything and it becomes true.

Yeah, that's not Law of Attraction. That's what a lot of people sell to get money and it's bogus. The real thing is much subtler. At the heart of the real LOA is a Zen practice of acceptance and allowance. The art of receiving what is wanted is not a struggle or a thing to be won by force of will, but rather an alignment and appreciation for what is. Interestingly, this idea is reflected in D&C 121:46 "thy dominion shall be an everlasting dominion, and without compulsory means it shall flow unto thee forever and ever".

So there, is still this basic idea of desire shaping reality. A Book of Mormon example of that is found in Alma 29:5: "... to him it is given according to his desires, whether he desireth good or evil, life or death, joy or remorse of conscience."

Now, my purpose in pointing this out is not to prove something about the Book of Mormon. I've studied the Book of Mormon to the point that I hold very unconventional views about it to the point that it doesn't matter to me who authored it. It could (and may) have been Sidney Rigdon for all I care. As a spiritual seeker, what I notice about the book is that I like it. When I started to study LOA, I found that I liked that too, and it had a practical positive impact on me. When I noticed the similarities between LOA and what I like about the Book of Mormon, I decided I wanted to see if any other Mormons also saw the connection.

So, my purpose in launching this thread is to find other spiritual seekers like myself. I'm not looked for some packaged Mormon belief, but for others with similar experiences who'd like to share and discuss what they are finding that is productive and meaningful in their spiritual quest.

Does that make sense?


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 Post subject: Re: Law of Attraction and Mormonism
PostPosted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 5:34 pm 
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Does that make sense?


Yes and I apologize for misjudging you. I am still not much swayed by claims that science completely fails at explaining the fundamental of existence but to each his own.

I am of the opinion that science has much better answers than does any sort of religion or mysticism.

Welcome and good luck.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 5:37 pm 
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By the way, this forum does not get nearly as much attention as the Terrestrial forum. You might try reposting in that form but it is a little less regulated.

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 Post subject: Re: Law of Attraction and Mormonism
PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2018 1:12 pm 
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I've asked a question to LOA'ers but have never received an answer. Maybe you could help me out with a few questions.

LOA says what you focus on materializes.

LOS (Law of Science) says opposite attracts, think 1st grade magnet and metal filings experiment.
LOS says that an inherent balancing act ignites to keep a status quo. A great example of ecological balance is the predator-prey relationship between the Canadian lynx and snowshoe hare. ... This reduced food availability causes the lynx population to eventually drop. This cycle continues over and over with each species keeping the other species population in check.

How does the LOA fit into the LOS examples in real time biology and science.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 6:48 am 
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nebosite wrote:
After Googling “Mormonism and Law of Attraction”, I was surprised that I didn’t find more writing about it,...

I found a few stanzas from an old song...

You are 14 going on 15
Baby, it's time to think
Better beware
The Law of Attraction
Baby, you're on the brink

You need someone
Older and wiser
Telling you what to do
I am 37 going on 38
I'll take care of you.

I am 14 going on 15
I know that I'm naïve
Prophets I meet may tell me I'm sweet
And willingly I believe.

I need someone
Older and wiser
Telling me what to do
You are 37 going on 38
I'll depend on you.

Law of Attraction
Law of Attraction
I will marry you
Cha, cha, cha!

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 Post subject: Re: Law of Attraction and Mormonism
PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2018 8:24 pm 
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win-win wrote:
I've asked a question to LOA'ers but have never received an answer. Maybe you could help me out with a few questions.

LOA says what you focus on materializes.

LOS (Law of Science) says opposite attracts, think 1st grade magnet and metal filings experiment.
LOS says that an inherent balancing act ignites to keep a status quo. A great example of ecological balance is the predator-prey relationship between the Canadian lynx and snowshoe hare. ... This reduced food availability causes the lynx population to eventually drop. This cycle continues over and over with each species keeping the other species population in check.

How does the LOA fit into the LOS examples in real time biology and science.



hello?

hello?

Why don't LOA'ers EVER answer my simple question?


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 Post subject: Re: Law of Attraction and Mormonism
PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 7:24 pm 
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I don't buy into laws of attraction and how it relates to Moism.

Moism may be a form of prosperity gospel doctrine though if you stop to think about it. All the "successful" Mormons are business types, Type A typically and driven to get ahead and succeed. It is a very competitive religion based on how I recall it growing up as one.

It also cuts people off from really connecting in an authentic way to not only themselves but to others. Everything is centered around church. Activities, meetings, the indoctrination. Not to be able to really ask hard questions of your religion or life because everything is neatly outlined in an instruction manual based on age level for rote learning and memorization.

Some people like the militant aspect of Mormonism. It isn't a place for creative types to flourish. It drains creativity - stifles it in fact.

Any laws of attraction get deftly gobbled up inside a vacuum that is void of understanding and spirituality.

So it depends on what you're looking for. If you line up with it and its teachings, and they work for you, then you've surrendered to having someone else tell you what to believe. Some of us outgrew that. It's hard to look back after leaving, because life is so much more than Mormon teachings would have you to believe. Once you've tasted freedom, who would settle for anything less? Brainwashing is what cults do. Freeing the mind takes work, but is worth it to be able to think for yourself.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 11:57 am 
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I live the secret. I believe in the law of attraction. It works for me. That's all I can say. I see it work in my own life. I didn't used to live the secret and looking back I can see a clear difference.

I'm sold. Period.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2018 11:09 am 
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I live the secret. I believe in the law of attraction. It works for me. That's all I can say. I see it work in my own life. I didn't used to live the secret and looking back I can see a clear difference.

I'm sold. Period.

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How has it worked in your life?

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2018 10:35 am 
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How has it worked in your life?

Pretty good, I think. There really is something to it. Positive thinking is important to successful existence. There is power in the mind and how hardly we fully comprehend the wonders of brain power.

I don't know all the answers but I do believe the Law of Attraction is a real principle that works in the universe through natural science.

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Shulem wrote:
I live the secret. I believe in the law of attraction. It works for me. That's all I can say. I see it work in my own life. I didn't used to live the secret and looking back I can see a clear difference.

I'm sold. Period.

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Shulem, I'm actually surprised to hear you say this. I was about to write a reply to the thread ripping down the LOA because of its similarities to the "prosperity gospel". But I'll back off and examine it more critically.

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I'm very skeptical.

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PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2018 7:33 pm 
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Shulem, I'm actually surprised to hear you say this. I was about to write a reply to the thread ripping down the LOA because of its similarities to the "prosperity gospel". But I'll back off and examine it more critically.


I'm convinced that everything is connected and that we are part of some kind of divine energy source. Positive thinking and love is what makes the universe glow. There is also a dark side and negative energy that works under it's own design.

I really don't know all the answers and mysteries of life but I'm sure that the LOA is real and we are living in it whether we want to or not. There is an energy field of sorts that binds everything together -- kind of like the Star Wars force or, whatever. It's real. We are not alone. This earth and world is not for nothing. We are being watched. We are loved and appreciated by beings or overlords that are far above us and we are part of a universal family of intelligence of some sort.

With that said, it stands to reason that our deaths will prove a defining moment on whether we learn a lot more or just turn off like a light switch and go blank. I think there is something wonderful in store for all of us. I really do.

But with that said, the furthest thing from the truth is Mormon god or bible god, or Koran god. Religion is corrupt and the furtherst thing from reality.

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I'm very skeptical.


I don't blame you one bit. You have to search your own heart and mind and try to connect with the universe the best you can. There are waves of energy all around us. Invisible forces are at play. It's up to you to discover them for yourself and learn the operation on how it applies to your life and destiny.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 5:04 pm 
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Shulem wrote:
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How has it worked in your life?

Pretty good, I think. There really is something to it. Positive thinking is important to successful existence. There is power in the mind and how hardly we fully comprehend the wonders of brain power.

I don't know all the answers but I do believe the Law of Attraction is a real principle that works in the universe through natural science.


Apologies for the late check-back on the conversation. I got a new laptop and forgot my password, had to open up my old laptop to get it.

I'm glad you explained your position better.

I definitely think there's something to theory that thought/focus generates our condition - weather conscious or subconscious, but I've never liked the name Law of Attraction, likely due to so many confusing teachings surrounding it. For example, I've heard a few LoA'ers :smile: describe a Law of Repulsion that counters the Law of Attraction. I consider that would be similar to the old adage that Opposites Attract, however so many LoA'ers are so busy selling their next lecture in their new career that they don't bother to describe more of the finer points of mind over matter, or how wider issues may affect the desired results. Many I've come across are more interested in manifesting desires of materialism rather than figuring out what their thinking and feeling - their goals, and how that reflects a larger and smaller scenario, or mirror if you will, back into their life.

Since you phrase it like this, I would agree that positive thinking, or negative thinking and feelings around choices that represent more of that, can mushroom into more of the same. But the LOA often tells a person to make a vision board and visualize or use mantras. I don't think the latter is workable on the whole. There's not enough direction toward inquiry as to why a person wants something, what's holding them back or how they can attain their desired brand new BMW. :rolleyes: Self inquiry as to what is one's best goal compared to an honest inventory about where one is right now, and what steps to take to understand how to bridge that gap through choices.

People get themselves mired down in the result of so many bad choices and don't even know that those thousands of negative choices - ideas - produced their spiral into the toilet that they can't crawl out of. Even more unusual when people like the toilet. Yes, I think ideas originate from thoughts, but either positive or negative ones, but without inquiring into the full picture and unraveling it people are left with desires that get in a hit or miss way, or can't figure out why princess or prince charming hasn't come knocking on their door yet. Or why their love has turned sour, or why their bank won't yet cash a check for that new beemer.

I changed a health problem through making a conscious choice and went form looking like 30 to looking like 22, something that lasted for another 3 decades; then choices compiled that I wasn't even conscious of that kicked in to take me out of those conscious choices and into fear and sadness. I got hammered with all kinds of things that looked like life was going to take me under and affected my life in a hard way. Now, scrambling to inquire what choices - ideas thoughts - started everything. This process in no way looks like the secret LOA so I can't see any resemblance. That said, the Abrahamic law of duality is more steadfast than any law of attraction, and the LOA actually feeds into the Abrahamic law of duality, polarity and decay in a constant battle to change things, or get things.

Do you think the LOS, law of science opposite attracts and similarities repel each other fits in to the Abrahamic law of duality and the Law of Attraction to manipulate the law of duality?


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 Post subject: Re: Law of Attraction and Mormonism
PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 5:21 pm 
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hey Shulem,

funny thing just happened. :surprised: I wrote my reply and a tab popped up on my email feed. I clicked on it and an interesting article by Nanice Ellis is exactly what I'm referring to.

https://wakeup-world.com/2018/06/18/the ... heal-them/

In some ways the article looks like a Law of Attraction type of thing, but under the surface it's so much more that it couldn't begin to fit under an LOA umbrella.

I don't always agree with everything Nanice Ellis describes through her articles, but on the whole I get a lot out of it just at the right moment I need it.


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