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 Post subject: Re: FOX NEWS is the MEDIA OUTLET FOR WHITE SUPREMACISM
PostPosted: Wed Aug 14, 2019 5:33 am 
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Anyway, here is a list of things Donald Trump himself has called racist:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... -that-way/

For some strange reason I'm sure none of us can figure out, it turns out that what Donald Trump finds racist either involves 1) people of color or 2) people who have condemned his racism or 3) both.

There are two exceptions. Donald Trump once condemned David Duke as a racist. Most recently, this was back when he was considering running on the reform party ticket and his main challenger would've been Pat Buchanan. Of course, Donald Trump the Republican party candidate is just a more overt, less polite version of Buchanan without the religious conservatism, though with the backing of religious conservatives. That version of Donald Trump claimed to have no idea who David Duke was.

The other exception is he condemned the Charlottlesville demonstrators in remarks written for him that he read like it was a hostage video. When given the chance to speak extemporaneously on it, he clarified that there were very fine people in the "blood and soil" crowd and we shouldn't be quick to condemn all of them.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 14, 2019 5:37 am 
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Kevin Graham wrote:
When Native American groups got upset about her claims it seemed to have more to do with the fact that it was eliciting racial slurs from critics including the President.


Your quote here:

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The presidential hopeful "reached out to us and has apologized to the tribe," Cherokee Nation executive director of communications Julie Hubbard said in a statement. "We are encouraged by this dialogue and understanding that being a Cherokee Nation tribal citizen is rooted in centuries of culture and laws not through DNA tests," Hubbard added. "We are encouraged by her action and hope that the slurs and mockery of tribal citizens and Indian history and heritage will now come to an end."


Explains what upset Native American groups. Warren's response was tin-eared and fed into the idea that being Native American is about having the right "blood" while eliding the importance of cultural heritage and actual participation in a tribe. After getting a ton of flak for it, she seems to have figured this out and has subsequently apologized.


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EAllusion wrote:
Mikwut is saying they are equally unserious or serious. He decides to go with unserious. While he is willing to say Trump is "worse" that is a meaningless concession because at the end of the day, you either say both are horrible racists or not. Trump being a walking Stormfront poster whipping up fear and rage in his supporters equals "goofball" behavior that, while worse than Warren's, isn't so bad. But because you or I might think this is serious, he thinks consistency dictates we should be appalled by Warren to the point of writing her off as a racist.

Yes, all racism is the same. Right? ; )

Maybe I’m crazy, but I think that intention and intensity factor into the discussion, and mikwut is pretending that neither exist or matter.

To that, add what you are saying above - promote a false balance between the two ... but then add actual hypocrisy into the argument by claiming Warren’s transgression demands atonement yet Trump’s should be ignored for the good of all.

It’s just goofy.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 14, 2019 6:20 am 
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EAllusion wrote:
The other exception is he condemned the Charlottlesville demonstrators in remarks written for him that he read like it was a hostage video. When given the chance to speak extemporaneously on it, he clarified that there were very fine people in the "blood and soil" crowd and we shouldn't be quick to condemn all of them.

You can always tell which parts of his public statements he has been forced to read by some adult in the room, based on his delivery.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 14, 2019 6:34 am 
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canpakes wrote:

It’s just goofy.
Speaking of which, Mikwut takes the the stance that we can know for sure that Warren knew her Native American claims were bogus and offensive because her education as a lawyer should've clued her in. This leads us to the inescapable conclusion she was being a racist by attempting to cynically exploit minority status to give credence to her progressive politics. The lack of evidence that she even did the latter is something we just have to ignore. The important thing is this HARVARD LAWYER knew better. She's a lawyer, from Harvard.

You know what else she should've known? That her DNA test was a terrible idea. This is a US Senator with a sophisticated campaign team surrounding her that otherwise shows a great deal of electioneering savvy. They couldn't figure out this would blow up in their face? Apparently not, because she did it.

It turns out that sometimes people who seem like they should know something that is obvious to us don't actually know that thing. One might even guess that the same ignorance that led Warren to think it was cool to claim being part Cherokee and writing a cringey recipe in a cookbook also thought that taking a DNA test would be a vindicating moment for her.


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EAllusion wrote:
... writing a cringey recipe in a cookbook ...

Isn’t it obvious that Warren’s choice of the title, “Pow Wow Chow”, was designed to rally her cooking supporters and actively stoke their tensions while disparaging non-white and Native Americans repeatedly in front of audiences in attempts to bolster her support for election to a Federal office job three decades later? That sort of manipulation for personal gain is unprecedented.


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This leads us to the inescapable conclusion she was being a racist by attempting to cynically exploit minority status to give credence to her progressive politics.


It also just occurred to me that Warren started doing this when she was a Republican with a social conservative streak. Guess she was playing the long game.


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EAllusion wrote:
It also just occurred to me that Warren started doing this when she was a Republican with a social conservative streak. Guess she was playing the long game.

She had a plan for that. : )


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 14, 2019 6:58 am 
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canpakes wrote:
EAllusion wrote:
... writing a cringey recipe in a cookbook ...

Isn’t it obvious that Warren’s choice of the title, “Pow Wow Chow”, was designed to rally her cooking supporters and actively stoke their tensions while disparaging non-white and Native Americans repeatedly in front of audiences in attempts to bolster her support for election to a Federal office job three decades later? That sort of manipulation for personal gain is unprecedented.


I just had a similar thought. I'm pretty sure it was Warren's cousin who wrote the book. Warren just contributed a few recipes she got from decidedly non-Native American sources.

It was all part of her strategy to exploit woke politics decades later despite the fact that is something woke people would hate. We can infer this because she's a genius who would one day teach at Harvard.

It's not because she was a naïve women contributing to her cousin's book idea. It can't be that she just thought she was an "Indian" due to common, but misbegotten ideas about what constitutes Native American heritage.

No, either she's a horrible racist beyond the pale or we accept that the President of the United States spreading the same ideas that motivated Naziism is just some guy saying some goofy words.


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mikwut wrote:
Ok. So not one responded to what my point was and what I supplied ample evidence for. I'll try again. There is a clear distinction between claiming oneself American Indian from a purely ethnicity standpoint and from a true heritage or tribal affiliation.

Holy ____ balls.

Dude, do not ever ____ pretend to be a serious poster again. Your cover is blown.

Jesus ____ Christ. Substantive... yeah. Right.

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Perfume on my Mind wrote:
mikwut wrote:
Ok. So not one responded to what my point was and what I supplied ample evidence for. I'll try again. There is a clear distinction between claiming oneself American Indian from a purely ethnicity standpoint and from a true heritage or tribal affiliation.

Holy ____ balls.

Dude, do not ever ____ pretend to be a serious poster again. Your cover is blown.

Jesus ____ Christ. Substantive... yeah. Right.

No kidding; that point was responded to by both Warren, and folks here. Mikwut just has to choose to read those responses.


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In other news, Donald Trump revises statue of liberty poem to defend his new migrant rule.

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The head of Citizenship and Immigration Services tweaked the passage: "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free".

The official added the words "who can stand on their own two feet and who will not become a public charge".


When pressed, Ken Cuccinelli, Trump’s citizenship and immigration chief, said the poem was only about Europeans!

Nothing racist here. Move along...


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No kidding; that point was responded to by both Warren, and folks here. Mikwut just has to choose to read those responses.

I'm trying to grapple with the idea that mikwut is a lawyer.

Don't lawyers have to be able to write convincing arguments? If they want to be good, shouldn't they take into account the little things like context and grammar?

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Lou Dobbs praises ICE employee for driving his car into a group of protesters

LOU DOBBS (HOST): I know that it must just gladden your heart to see a bunch of demonstrators at an Immigration Customs Enforcement facility blocking the path of a guard and then complaining about the fact that he sought to do what is within his rights, which is to proceed to park his vehicle and go to work.

One of the first things a 15 year old learns on the driving exam is that pedestrians always have the right of way. And people wonder why concerned Americans want ICE shut down.


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One of the first things a 15 year old learns on the driving exam is that pedestrians always have the right of way. ....

And one of the 1st things a 10 year old learns is about jaywalking.
But for he driver, it's easily worth the $75 ticket.
Mediamatters is rotting your skull.... cool how you ignore the guy who attacked an ICE facility trying to blow people up....yeah, focus on the idiot lying in the street protesting a make believe boogey man.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 17, 2019 6:19 am 
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Kevin Graham wrote:
One of the first things a 15 year old learns on the driving exam is that pedestrians always have the right of way. ....

And one of the 1st things a 10 year old learns is about jaywalking.
But for he driver, it's easily worth the $75 ticket.
Mediamatters is rotting your skull.... cool how you ignore the guy who attacked an ICE facility trying to blow people up....yeah, focus on the idiot lying in the street protesting a make believe boogey man.


It isn't mediamatters you stupid degenerate, it is a direct quote from FOX News' Lou Dobbs.

And it isn't a $75 ticket to run over pedestrians, but telling you would say that it would be "worth" the $75 it to kill them. Always knew you were human garbage, and you just keep demonstrating that with every post. Now go back to whining to the mods you fragile little snowflake.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NMV9eP3saM

Violence against ICE isn't happening because of 'Left Wing Media' it is happening because ICE has destroyed the lives of hundreds of Americans and is acting like the ____ Gestapo. Funny how attacks against ICE never happened before Trump huh?


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It’s Not Just Fox Pumping Out the Racist “Replacement” Conspiracy. Here Are 15 Republicans Fanning the Flames.


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The other exception is he condemned the Charlottlesville demonstrators in remarks written for him that he read like it was a hostage video. When given the chance to speak extemporaneously on it, he clarified that there were very fine people in the "blood and soil" crowd and we shouldn't be quick to condemn all of them.

You can always tell which parts of his public statements he has been forced to read by some adult in the room, based on his delivery.

so you are ok if someone is just a better liar and has a more pleasing delivery (looks good, smells good...must therefore be good) - got it!

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An article from Huffpost that is saying exactly what I was arguing about Elizabeth Warren.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/elizabet ... cbd48a1b01

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mikwut wrote:
An article from Huffpost that is saying exactly what I was arguing about Elizabeth Warren.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/elizabet ... cbd48a1b01

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Ok. Let's say she fibbed about being a Cherokee. Compare and contrast that against Trump and where do you stand on her candidacy?

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mikwut wrote:
An article from Huffpost that is saying exactly what I was arguing about Elizabeth Warren.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/elizabet ... cbd48a1b01

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So what! Is there any question that, even if that article is entirely accurate, Elizabeth Warren still has far more integrity, intelligence and genuine compassion for others than Donald J. Trump, or that her policies are far more beneficial and well considered than his?

I have reservations about at least one of the conclusions of that article, namely this one: "She simply needs to state she does not have a Cherokee ancestor and that she was wrong to claim one. Until then, Cherokee people will be left fighting the mountain of confusion she caused. And I am terrified we will lose."

Why does she need to state that if she actually has any Cherokee DNA at all, however little, even as little as the one percent her DNA analysis showed? Can she have even that little, without even having at least one Cherokee ancestor? Are you claiming or implying that she lied about her DNA test? Besides that, even if she has no Cherokee ancestry at all, is she therefore disqualified from advocating for native American civil rights and fair treatment?

The fact still remains that she did not use claims of Cherokee ancestry to gain any special advantage or consideration she had not otherwise earned or was otherwise entitled to. Your whole argument seems to me like trying to create a hurricane in a teacup! This seems particularly silly if you actually like and admire her, as you have claimed.

ETA: As I understand it, during her campaign for U.S. Senator, there was no mention of her supposed Cherokee ancestry until her opponent brought it up and dishonestly tried to make an issue of it. This strategy actually backfired on him, and actually contributed to his defeat, as much of the electorate came to realize the deliberate deception motivating it. I doubt that this would still be a notable issue, were it not for that.

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