Anti-Abortion Insanity

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Re: Anti-Abortion Insanity

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canpakes wrote:
Gunnar wrote:What makes it even worse is that too many Republican politicians apparently don't even care whether or not their policies are based on lies and misinformation.

Pretty sure they’re counting on that being the case.

On second thought, you are probably right. I'm sure that most of them know full well how much their policies and agenda are based on lies and misinformation, and are doing their best to avoid exposure of that fact.
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Re: Anti-Abortion Insanity

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Gunnar wrote:
subgenius wrote:No, rape victims do not have to bring to term and birth. They are just unable to receive services in a particular jurisdiction. This rape victim is free to receive abortion services elsewhere.

The problem with that logic is that under some of these new anti-abortion laws, a parent or other individual who assists or transports a rape victim to get to another state where abortion is legal, can be criminally charged, and even wind up serving as much or more jail time than the rapist, upon return to their home state.

unlike pakes, could you please cite the clause(s) in OH or AL that supports your claim here....or just list the States that actually legislate the scenario you describe above in the manner you describe above.
geez.
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Re: Anti-Abortion Insanity

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subgenius wrote:unlike pakes, could you please cite the clause(s) in OH or AL that supports your claim here....or just list the States that actually legislate the scenario you describe above in the manner you describe above.
geez.


Why go through the trouble, so you can just disappear and pretend like you never had your ass handed to you? We've seen this played out too many times before. You're useless.
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Re: Anti-Abortion Insanity

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Gunnar wrote:
subgenius wrote:No, rape victims do not have to bring to term and birth. They are just unable to receive services in a particular jurisdiction. This rape victim is free to receive abortion services elsewhere.

The problem with that logic is that under some of these new anti-abortion laws, a parent or other individual who assists or transports a rape victim to get to another state where abortion is legal, can be criminally charged, and even wind up serving as much or more jail time than the rapist, upon return to their home state.

subgenius wrote:unlike pakes, could you please cite the clause(s) in OH or AL that supports your claim here....or just list the States that actually legislate the scenario you describe above in the manner you describe above.
geez.

Georgia Fetal Heartbeat Bill: Facts About Law That Could Send Women To Prison For Abortion
5. Seeking abortions out of state would still violate the law. Pregnant Georgians are still not safe if they seek abortion out of state. Georgia residents could be charged with conspiracy to commit murder if it’s discovered that they plan to travel out of state to get an abortion under the proposed law. This would be punishable by 10 years’ imprisonment. Additionally, a person who escorts them out of state for abortion — say a family member or spouse — could also be charged as an accessory to the “murder.”
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Re: Anti-Abortion Insanity

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Kevin Graham wrote:
subgenius wrote:unlike pakes, could you please cite the clause(s) in OH or AL that supports your claim here....or just list the States that actually legislate the scenario you describe above in the manner you describe above.
geez.


Why go through the trouble, so you can just disappear and pretend like you never had your ass handed to you? We've seen this played out too many times before. You're useless.

That's probably a good point, but I indulged him anyway. Foolish of me, perhaps? :wink:
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Re: Anti-Abortion Insanity

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Kevin Graham wrote:
subgenius wrote:unlike pakes, could you please cite the clause(s) in OH or AL that supports your claim here....or just list the States that actually legislate the scenario you describe above in the manner you describe above.
geez.


Why go through the trouble, so you can just disappear and pretend like you never had your ass handed to you? We've seen this played out too many times before. You're useless.

You can watch it happen again if you ask subs if a rape victim must, under the new law, bring to full term and bear the rapist’s child.

Or, ask subs what her options are otherwise under the law, and within the law’s jurisdiction, once the fallacious ‘heartbeat’ deadline has been realized. *

If subs had integrity - or balls - he could do that. But watch him either keep dancing around the question, or watch him disappear. ; )

* Counting down to another dodge of, “oh, but in Sweden, the law is different, so the Alabama law really doesn’t apply to anyone within the Alabama law’s jurisdiction... “. Lol.
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Re: Anti-Abortion Insanity

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canpakes wrote:
If subs had integrity - or balls - he could do that. But watch him either keep dancing around the question, or watch him disappear. ; )

Yup! Prediction confirmed--again!
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Re: Anti-Abortion Insanity

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Well, this will help things, I’m sure. Now we can apply the same reasoning to any woman in any stage of pregnancy past the point of the approximate 6th week quivering heart cells stage.

Marshae Jones was five months pregnant when she got into an argument on a December afternoon last year outside a Dollar Store in Birmingham, Alabama. The argument escalated and the 27-year-old was shot in the stomach. Jones was rushed to the hospital and eventually recovered, but the shooting ended her pregnancy. Police initially charged the shooter, 23-year-old Ebony Jemison, with manslaughter for firing on Jones in what police say was a dispute over the man who was the father-to-be, but the charges were dismissed after the grand jury declined to indict Jemison because she was acting in self-defense. On Wednesday, however, an Alabama grand jury instead charged Jones with manslaughter for the miscarriage. Why? “The investigation showed that the only true victim in this was the unborn baby,’’ local police Lt. Danny Reid said at the time of the shooting. “It was the mother of the child who initiated and continued the fight which resulted in the death of her own unborn baby.” Marshae Jones is now in jail.

The case has drawn criticism from abortion rights groups and highlighted the extremist laws on the books in Alabama criminalizing acts that extend far beyond abortion to undermine access to the medical procedure. “Today, Marshae Jones was indicted for homicide when someone shot her in the stomach while she was pregnant, ending her pregnancy,” Ilyse Hogue, president of NARAL, said on Twitter Wednesday. “They said she ‘started it.’ The shooter went free. This [is] what 2019 looks like for a pregnant woman of color without means in a red state. This is now.” In Alabama, folks were less convinced. “Let’s not lose sight that the unborn baby is the victim here,” Reid said. “She had no choice in being brought unnecessarily into a fight where she was relying on her mother for protection.”

“The state of Alabama has proven yet again that the moment a person becomes pregnant their sole responsibility is to produce a live, healthy baby and that it considers any action a pregnant person takes that might impede in that live birth to be a criminal act,’’ Amanda Reyes, head of the nationwide abortion rights advocacy group Yellowhammer Fund, said in a statement to AL.com.
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Re: Anti-Abortion Insanity

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canpakes wrote:Well, this will help things, I’m sure. Now we can apply the same reasoning to any woman in any stage of pregnancy past the point of the approximate 6th week quivering heart cells stage.

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It's impressive that they are finding new ways and situations to say "she was asking for it."
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