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_ajax18
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Gunnar wrote:
ajax18 wrote:I think this proves how much more sensitive and tense race relations are becoming even in recent history in spite of the emancipation proclaimation, the civil rights movement, and ultimately the election of Obama.

If you can't see that the main reason for that is Trump and others of his ilk and their inherently racist and intolerant attitudes and policies, then you and people like you are a major part of that problem. We are now going backwards in fair and just treatment of minorities and civil rights, reversing decades of positive progress in that area. No single individual is more responsible for that deplorable state of affairs than Donald J. Trump.


Gunnar Obama's presidency resulted in Ferguson, the BLM movement, and some of the most irrational racial hatred and violence ever seen. There was no progress, unless you call heightened animosity on both sides progress.
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ajax18 wrote:some of the most irrational racial hatred and violence ever seen.

There was slavery in America until the mid 19th century. Following that, there was a campaign of terror against blacks for decades. Following that, there was systematic suppression of African-Americans in most important facets of public life backed up by violence, both from vigilantes and the state, lasting into the living memory of many posters here.

But, in your view, the Obama years constitute some of the "most irrational racial hatred and violence ever seen."

It's easy to just immediately laugh at this, but it's also a tell that you don't really consider violence towards blacks all that big of a deal. No, what you consider some of the "most irrational racial hatred and violence ever seen" coincidentally matches up with racial civil rights movements. That's the real threat, in your view.
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Well, he views Black on White crime to be so disproportionate that it entails a de facto race war against White folks.

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ajax18 wrote:Gunnar Obama's presidency resulted in Ferguson, the BLM movement, and some of the most irrational racial hatred and violence ever seen. There was no progress, unless you call heightened animosity on both sides progress.


The extreme irrationality of that response is positively breathtaking! What you seem to be saying or implying is that if only we hadn't foolishly pushed for equal civil rights for all (including blacks and other minorities), and (horrors!) elected a Black President, we wouldn't be experiencing an upsurge in violence and racial hatred. Is that right"? The only sure way to discourage racial violence and hatred is to make sure we keep those pesky blacks and other minorities "in their place." Right?

EAllusion wrote:It's easy to just immediately laugh at this, but it's also a tell that you don't really consider violence towards blacks all that big of a deal. No, what you consider some of the "most irrational racial hatred and violence ever seen" coincidentally matches up with racial civil rights movements. That's the real threat, in your view.


Right on!
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:Well, he views Black on White crime to be so disproportionate that it entails a de facto race war against White folks.

- Doc


Even if that were true, and it's not, a robbery or assault isn't typically a racially motivated crime. And even if it was, we are living in one of the most violent-crime free eras in American history. I know Ajax is repeating a theme found commonly in the alt-right. It starts with Obama is "racially divisive." What goes unstated is that what made him racially divisive was the color of his skin rather than any particular policy or rhetoric being all that remarkable or objectionable. That idea then gets exaggerated into "most racially divisive ever." Then Ajax seems to take it even further into "(some of the) most racial hatred and violence ever” during his years. His main cited example is a protest movement centered around racial discrimination in the criminal justice system that occasionally leads to minor riotous behavior. Nevermind how much this pales in comparison to significant racial violence in much of America's past. Is he totally unaware of the existence of race riots during the civil rights movement? I don't know. What I can tell is that helter skelter for him is the blacks getting uppity again and the few centuries of nigh-unfathomable violence towards blacks wasn't all that big of a deal compared to that.
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ajax18 wrote:Gunnar Obama's presidency resulted in Ferguson, the BLM movement, and some of the most irrational racial hatred and violence ever seen. There was no progress, unless you call heightened animosity on both sides progress.

You gotta love it when a racist tries to pretend he's not a racist while blaming racism on a black President using the most screwed up logic there is.

Obama gave us Ferguson, had nothing to do with racist white cops at all.

Trump literally gave white supremacism a voice and the will to organize and wreak havoc again like the good old days. That's why you love him.
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For those who don't know what happened with Ted Danson, this article has a good summary:

The first significant controversy for Goldberg was the night her then-boyfriend Ted Danson dressed up in blackface, ate watermelon and repeatedly said the word “n—-” while roasting Goldberg in 1993 at the Friars Club in New York. Wrote Roger Ebert:

“His performance, the worst train wreck since ‘The Fugitive,’ was witnessed by more than 3,000 people filling the ballroom of the New York Hilton hotel at a $250-a-ticket charity benefit by the show biz organization. A blocklong dais featured more than 100 celebrities who sat stoneface through the monologue, including such prominent African Americans as New York Mayor David Dinkins, performers Halle Berry, Vanessa Williams, Anita Baker, RuPaul and Mr. T, and boxers Michael Spinks and Sugar Ray Leonard. A closed-circuit camera showed them looking embarrassed and uncomfortable.”

Goldberg defended the performance in the press, saying that she’d dared Danson to do it, she suggested his makeup artist and that she wrote most of Danson’s routine. Google “Ted Danson blackface” and you’ll be met with pictures of a smiling Goldberg, gazing at Danson with adoration. While some dispatches noted that Shari Belafonte, Natalie Cole, Jasmine Guy, Vanessa Williams, Anita Baker and “other black celebrities present were howling at the proceedings,” some, such as Montel Williams, were mortified. (Goldberg called him out for his comments during her set for “Comic Relief VI,” the annual fundraiser for the homeless that she, Robin Williams and Billy Crystal hosted for 20 years.)

Miraculously, by today’s standards, the whole thing mostly blew over. There was closed-circuit footage of Danson’s act that night, but it never leaked, giving us few clues as to whether Danson’s routine veered more toward “Tropic Thunder” than Al Jolson. Danson’s career continued without issue and Goldberg’s continued its ascendance. The next year, she became the first black woman to host the Academy Awards, a gig she took three more times in 1996, 1999 and 2002.

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