Kavanaugh and Perjury

[_EAllusion]

Again, Doc, what is your evidence that her allegation is false? You aren't asserting that there isn't enough evidence to affirm her account. You're asserting that you know her account is false. You've offered a few tidbits to that end that were pathetic, and I guess I'm being generous in assuming you have more there beyond personal prejudice. Or is it that you just take Kavanaugh's word, a person who has a demonstrable history of being a serial liar for partisan purposes mind you, as unimpeachable for some inexplicable reason?

The most recent ya got her dead-to-rights argument for her to be making this up as a leftist hitjob is that she erased her social media accounts around the time that she shared her allegation at first. Of course, there is a perfectly reasonable explanation in that maybe she just correctly anticipated that if anything were to get back to her on making that allegation, a wave of people would try to make her social life a living hell. That was naïve, of course, because erasing those accounts is not enough. It happened anyway. But nope, you say, the only logical explanation is that she was trying to hide, what?, the fact that she's liberal? What a shock for a psychology professor from California. No gumshoe would've ever been able to figure that out without her social media accounts. There's a ton fake news - fake news in the correct sense of the term - out there about Ford that tries to build her up as a hardcore Democrat activist with a clear ulterior motives, but that's based on BS. She's a pretty ordinary liberal who referred to this allegation years back and decided to make the charge now given the high profile of his nomination. It may be false, but it's pretty god damn implausible that this is a deep, long-game plot of a Democrat activist trying to Swiftboat Kavanaugh. More likely, either it's an old false allegation or a case of mistaken identity if the allegation is false.

[_Res Ipsa]

I think this is polktical gamesmanship, and I'm absolutely astonished some here don't see it for what it is.

Repubs: You can testify on Monday.

Ford: Yeeeeeeah, that's not gonna work for me.

Lol. This is such a ____ show. gmafb.

- Doc

The reason you are astonished is that you are going with your gut, which actually isn’t where your brain lives. You shouldn’t be surprised at all that your emotion driven response is not the same as the response of those who are at least trying to focus on the evidence. Let me ask, do you think she’s lying because that’s what you would do? If not, why do you believe she is so different from you that she would do something so extreme as to lie about an attempted forcible rape?

[_Gunnar]

Anywho, Kavanaaugh, a man by all accounts was quite the partier in his high school days, has made it clear to Orin Hatch that he wasn't at this unspecified party at an unspecified location at an unspecified time of year. Case closed. If that's good enough for Hatch, how could that not be good enough for everyone?

There are very few politicians I have less respect for than Orin Hatch. He is a very convincing demonstration that just being a Mormon is no guarantee that one is necessarily honest, reasonable or compassionate.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Another man who Ms. Ford identified as being at the party had no idea there was a party and categorically denied being at the alleged party.

“I understand that I have been identified by Dr. Christine Blasey Ford as the person she remembers as ‘PJ’ who supposedly was present at the party she described in her statements to the Washington Post,” Patrick J. Smyth says in the statement,

“I am issuing this statement today to make it clear to all involved that I have no knowledge of the party in question; nor do I have any knowledge of the allegations of improper conduct she has leveled against Brett Kavanaugh."

But, hey. Let's not let reality get in the way of a good Leftist character assassination!

- Doc

[_Res Ipsa]

I’m interested. How do you distinguish between a leftist character assassination and a right-wing covering for an old friend? Or even a right-wing faulty memory? In my opinion, that’s why this should be handled by the professionals who have some training and experience at investigation. Instead, we have carefully crafted press releases and amateurs with an agenda running around mucking things up.

[_DoubtingThomas]

For the same reasons this is trash:



Or do we not follow any sort of factual precedent any more and just believe whatever someone says as long as it suits their motivation?

- Doc

[_DoubtingThomas]

I’m interested. How do you distinguish between a leftist character assassination and a right-wing covering for an old friend? Or even a right-wing faulty memory? In my opinion, that’s why this should be handled by the professionals who have some training and experience at investigation. Instead, we have carefully crafted press releases and amateurs with an agenda running around mucking things up.

Exactly! But investigators with at least some training in peer-reviewed science, psychology, and memory.

[Guest]

by the way, I did some digging over at reddit on that picture. Apparently she’s Pakistani, which may explain the odd syntax of the sign. Here’s some information on rape in Pakistan. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_Pakistan I’m not surprised she would see the leering and catcalling that precedes rape as a part of the rape. 4Channers discovered the pic and turned it into a meme, using this together with other fake pictures they created. So, congrats Doc, for using one Pakistani woman to help 4chan smear all feminists. Well done.

[_honorentheos]

There are very few, if any, aspects of this that warrant jumping to a firm conclusion beyond there seems to be enough behind Ford's claim to deserve hearing it out. I don't think the claim itself is an example of character assassination though the media has turned it into that. Ford herself had not intended to pursue the matter after her initial letter given she did not see it as likely to impact the nomination process, and would only result in what we're seeing now. That the story was initially leaked despite Feinstein having no intention of doing so based on Ford's request was unfortunate for all involved, and it has become the sort of public crucifixion nightmare scenario for both Ford and Kavanaugh that should give any of us some reason to reflect on how out of hand public hunger to form a mob and lynch someone is so consuming and destructive to the slow process of justice.

[_moksha]

A clear account should have listed the number of shopping days until Christmas, as well as Brett Kavanaugh's specific gravity and ring size. We can't base critical decision making on suppositions or we will be facing another Benghazi. Right, Doc?