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PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2018 2:15 pm 
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A coordinated ban of Infowars between independent companies. How, what's the word, collusive?

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/ ... alex-jones

LOL. I'm no fan of Alex Jones, the man is a nut. But what's that saying, "I don't agree with what that man's saying, but I'll die to protect his right to say it," or something to that effect?

Other, related news.

Candice Owens, a black woman, takes two of Sarah Jeong's racist tweets against white people and posts them on twitter changing out the word "white" for "jew" and is, in a completely unexpected turn of events, banned. Say something racist against white people, not only do you not get banned, you get hired by the New York Times.

https://www.pscp.tv/w/1BRKjeVpbjwxw

But that's not all. Apparently there has been a huge standoff in Oregon that nobody cares to report on. Gee, when the Bundy's did something similar it was headlining news on every outlet.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/anarchy-br ... 1533331454

https://www.breitbart.com/big-governmen ... ce-agents/

So, we have collusion between social media companies to silence someone they don't like, to infringe free speech rights, we have selective enforcement of rules based on racial animus, and we have selective reporting of events based on political and racial animus. Interesting to see who ultimately wins this war.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2018 2:27 pm 
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we have collusion between social media companies to silence someone they don't like, to infringe free speech rights


Social media companies as presently constituted have no obligation to give a platform to crazy and frankly paranoid fantasies, any more than I have an obligation to allow a person to stick posters on my front wall propagating the said crazy and frankly paranoid fantasies.

No free speech rights are violated, any more than they are when Fox News does not give Bernie Sanders his own weekly breakfast show.

The person in question remains free to post whatever he wants on his own website, subject to the law, to write and publish a book, or a newspaper, to send emails to his fans, make speeches to rallies, or whatever else he wants to do.

Find another way to get this guy victim status.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2018 2:35 pm 
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Interesting that a Trump supporter would reference 1984 without mentioning Trump and his administration.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2018 3:13 pm 
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https://www.breitbart.com/

That's all you need to read in the OP to dismiss it entirely.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2018 3:15 pm 
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But that's not all. Apparently there has been a huge standoff in Oregon that nobody cares to report on. Gee, when the Bundy's did something similar it was headlining news on every outlet.


Except FOX, Brietbart, Daily Caller, Town Hall, and all the other dumb sources you follow.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2018 8:42 pm 
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So the guy who reads Breitbart is concerned about the New York Times hiring Jeong?

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2018 8:51 pm 
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Yeah, it's a tough call. On the one hand, we like to believe the boy who cried wolf will be ignored after two or three goes at it, as the market figures it out. But crying wolf twenty seven times a day, 365 days a year, and the market runs for the hills every time? I don't know what the morally correct answer is, but at this point, I'm about convinced that republicans are on a self-reinforcing sugar surge, and if some censorship comes into play, I don't feel to bad. I'm actually curious if there's something like a feedback loop here. I'm all for seeing if we can break it up.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2018 11:02 pm 
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Geez, luckily we have the massive intellects of our resident trump fondlers to keep us all so informed. I never realized private corporations like Facebook and YouTube were there to provide me a platform to say anything I want without consequences. Well, we better get the government involved to regulate those private businesses and force them to let let anyone say whatever they want without consequence otherwise these corporations are somehow infringing on our free speech rights. What in the world did people do before social media!?!?!?! Maybe that same regulatory board can force all bakers to carry gay themed cakes while we are at it.

Christ, you guys are getting more and more pathetic with the faux outrage and attempts to paint yourselves as the victims because the racist, conspiracy theorist, fake news pushing nuts you look to for guidance are getting treated like the garbage they are. Referencing Brietbart was the icing to that layer cake of stupidity and straw grasping.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2018 11:38 pm 
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So, we have collusion between social media companies to silence someone they don't like, to infringe free speech rights ...

Dog. seriously. Are you really going to try to convince me that you believe in this sort of pathetic snowflake line of BS? No one has silenced Jones and InfoWars. They have their website; they can shell out their own money to amplify their conspiracy crap, and no-one needs to be forced to serve as a public repeater for their oatmeal-brained pablum.

If you want to stand with the wet-diapered, teary-faced eunuchs who are playing their victim card on this one, then that's on you. Here's to hoping that the mom's basement set can grow a pair of balls someday and tear themselves away from 4chan long enough to find both a date and a job.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2018 6:12 am 
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...if some censorship comes into play, I don't feel to bad.... I'm all for seeing if we can break it up.

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At least one of you is willing to be honest about it, thanks! Now that we're being honest, the more interesting discussion to have is how far are you willing to go?


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2018 6:40 am 
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/ˈsensər/

noun

noun: censor; plural noun: censors

1. an official who examines material that is about to be released, such as books, movies, news, and art, and suppresses any parts that are considered obscene, politically unacceptable, or a threat to security.

verb

verb: censor; 3rd person present: censors; past tense: censored; past participle: censored; gerund or present participle: censoring

1. examine (a book, movie, etc.) officially and suppress unacceptable parts of it.


Now that we know what the word "censor" means, continue.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2018 7:43 am 
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At least one of you is willing to be honest about it, thanks! Now that we're being honest, the more interesting discussion to have is how far are you willing to go?

Do you mean to ask how far you’re willing to go to force some media networks to carry, for free, other people’s crap content produced for profit?

Did you have trouble typing ‘InfoWars’ into your browser, or something? How helpless are Alex Jones fans?


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2018 7:58 am 
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At least one of you is willing to be honest about it, thanks! Now that we're being honest, the more interesting discussion to have is how far are you willing to go?

Do you mean to ask how far you’re willing to go to force some media networks to carry, for free, other people’s crap content produced for profit?

Did you have trouble typing ‘InfoWars’ into your browser, or something? How helpless are Alex Jones fans?


They can stay in their little corner and talk amongst themselves, but they want to be taken seriously and part of the mainstream. They don't like being on the margins of society and mocked by the "elites". I get that. It sucks for them. But life's not fair.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2018 8:25 am 
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They can stay in their little corner and talk amongst themselves, but they want to be taken seriously and part of the mainstream. They don't like being on the margins of society and mocked by the "elites". I get that. It sucks for them. But life's not fair.

These children want to be spoon fed their pablum wherever they sit their lazy arses down, and expect everyone else to clean up their spit-up afterwards. Let the entitlement-minded whiny little infants roll around in their own slop while in their own rooms, as far as I’m concerned.


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canpakes wrote:
Do you mean to ask how far you’re willing to go to force some media networks to carry, for free, other people’s crap content produced for profit?

Did you have trouble typing ‘InfoWars’ into your browser, or something? How helpless are Alex Jones fans?

Come on now, let's not play these games. I think we all know the score at this point, so how about we quit ____ around and get right to it?


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2018 8:35 am 
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Come on now, let's not play these games. I think we all know the score at this point, so how about we quit ____ around and get right to it?


OK. You apparently want only Trump-run media that is forced to play Alex Jones. There, done.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2018 8:42 am 
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Well. I think the problem with free speech is that it works. And that doesn't work for a lot of people. The key to advancing one's agenda is to shut down the opposition's ability to broadcast their ideas on any given issue.

Would I shut down Trump if I could? As much as it pains me to read his tweets or hear him speak I wouldn't. Ever. And believe you me it's distressing to know this guy is our President.

But here's the rub. I voted for Hillary Clinton and half of what she would say irked the ever living crap out of me. So I understand how the Right felt when Obama and Hillary Clinton would get their platform to say what they wanted to say.

So, back to OP's point. I think unless Facebook becomes a utility it has every right to run its business how it wants, and it's up to us to use it or not. Same with bakers. Same with tailors. Whatever. We may not like how people think, speak, and conduct business, but I find it far more problematic to force people to do something they don't want to do. That's authoritariansim and that's un-American.

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Well. I think the problem with free speech is that it works. And that doesn't work for a lot of people. The key to advancing one's agenda is to shut down the opposition's ability to broadcast their ideas on any given issue.


Or to drown them out with a deluge of advertising (Citizens United).


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2018 9:08 am 
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Well. I think the problem with free speech is that it works. And that doesn't work for a lot of people. The key to advancing one's agenda is to shut down the opposition's ability to broadcast their ideas on any given issue.


Or to drown them out with a deluge of advertising (Citizens United).


One man dollar one vote. Money talks, so why shouldn't it vote?

That is (alas!) now the American Way, and the habit is spreading to other countries.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2018 9:39 am 
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Well. I think the problem with free speech is that it works. And that doesn't work for a lot of people. The key to advancing one's agenda is to shut down the opposition's ability to broadcast their ideas on any given issue.

Would I shut down Trump if I could? As much as it pains me to read his tweets or hear him speak I wouldn't. Ever. And believe you me it's distressing to know this guy is our President.

But here's the rub. I voted for Hillary Clinton and half of what she would say irked the ever living crap out of me. So I understand how the Right felt when Obama and Hillary Clinton would get their platform to say what they wanted to say.

So, back to opening post's point. I think unless Facebook becomes a utility it has every right to run its business how it wants, and it's up to us to use it or not. Same with bakers. Same with tailors. Whatever. We may not like how people think, speak, and conduct business, but I find it far more problematic to force people to do something they don't want to do. That's authoritariansim and that's un-American.

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I agree, and one thing that I don't believe has been brought up is Twitter has not taken any action against infowars or Alex Jones. In fact Alex Jones just tweeted this.
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The internet Dark Ages has now descended upon us, where radical left-wing tech giants run by deranged, mentally ill communists will decide whether your content qualifies as “hate speech.”
https://twitter.com/RealAlexJones/statu ... gr%5Etweet


So there does not appear to be any grand conspiracy among tech giants to shut down Alex Jones.

Also, Jones needs to realize that his right to free speech comes with responsibility for that speech. When a guy shows up at a Pizza shop with a gun searching for pedophiles because Alex Jones told him that's where the pedophiles are hiding, that's on Jones. If some guy goes on a frog killing spree beause the government is using chemicals that turned the frogs gay, the blood of those frogs is on Jones. He can't use the "I'm just an entertainer" defense. He knows he is making money by manipulating people who have serious mental issues.

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