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 Post subject: The Climate is always changing
PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:29 pm 
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In a new video Caitlin Hofmeister explains how the Sun has affected the Earth's climate for billions of years.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlYgFM9ndd4


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 3:58 am 
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A lively and well-presented video.

Takeaway point: variation in solar activity is extremely unlikely to be connected with the global warming and consequent climate change of past decades. That's down to greenhouse gases. Which means us.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:23 am 
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Can someone link to the average global temperature for the specific time period of 1310 to 1350 (anno domini)? ...and a record of sun activity for just that same time period would be helpful as well, thank you!

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Can someone link to the average global temperature for the specific time period of 1310 to 1350 (anno domini)? ...and a record of sun activity for just that same time period would be helpful as well, thank you!

You could.

Return and report. Pay a research assistant if you can't manage to do it yourself.

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Can someone link to the average global temperature for the specific time period of 1310 to 1350 (anno domini)? ...and a record of sun activity for just that same time period would be helpful as well, thank you!

You could.

Return and report. Pay a research assistant if you can't manage to do it yourself.

It is more cost effective to simply ask for that information from those who claim to have it.

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Chap wrote:
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Can someone link to the average global temperature for the specific time period of 1310 to 1350 (anno domini)? ...and a record of sun activity for just that same time period would be helpful as well, thank you!

You could.

Return and report. Pay a research assistant if you can't manage to do it yourself.

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It is more cost effective to simply ask for that information from those who claim to have it.

So why don't you do just that?

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 8:12 am 
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Chap wrote:
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It is more cost effective to simply ask for that information from those who claim to have it.


So why don't you do just that?

I did, but you have yet to respond.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 8:17 am 
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DoubtingThomas wrote:
In a new video Caitlin Hofmeister explains how the Sun has affected the Earth's climate for billions of years.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlYgFM9ndd4

(For subs ...)

Yes. Without the sun, it would be damn friggin’ cold outside.

In other news, fatness is caused by food. People have nothing to do with it. : )


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 8:22 am 
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The Sun has been a very boring object for astrophotography lately unless you use Hydrogen-Alpha filters. Haven't seen a decent sunspot in years. That's good for having fewer coronal discharges, which is good for humans who want their ionosphere operating normally. :razz:

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 8:35 am 
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Chap wrote:
subgenius wrote:
It is more cost effective to simply ask for that information from those who claim to have it.

So why don't you do just that?

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I did, but you have yet to respond.

I have never claimed to possess the specific information subgenius asked for, which was:

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....the average global temperature for the specific time period of 1310 to 1350 (anno domini)? ...and a record of sun activity for just that same time period ....

I don't deny that (as some posters may have noticed) I have extensive search and access rights for a very wide range of scholarly and scientific publications. But if subgenius wants that information about forty years in the 14th century (which I don't currently have before me, and have never claimed to have before me), I am under no obligation to do the work for him,

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 2:24 pm 
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Chap wrote:
I don't deny that (as some posters may have noticed) I have extensive search and access rights for a very wide range of scholarly and scientific publications. But if subgenius wants that information about forty years in the 14th century (which I don't currently have before me, and have never claimed to have before me), I am under no obligation to do the work for him,

was it not you that posted claims about the solar cycle and how the past few decades have been "the most dramatic warming in millions of years"?

http://mormondiscussions.com/phpBB3/vie ... 0#p1130680

This seems to imply that you had some data for the years 1310 to 1350....or was your claim more of a lopsided comparison sort of thingy? (buttressed by an imposing sun image, of course).

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 2:54 pm 
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subgenius wrote:
Chap wrote:
I don't deny that (as some posters may have noticed) I have extensive search and access rights for a very wide range of scholarly and scientific publications. But if subgenius wants that information about forty years in the 14th century (which I don't currently have before me, and have never claimed to have before me), I am under no obligation to do the work for him,

was it not you that posted claims about the solar cycle and how the past few decades have been "the most dramatic warming in millions of years"?

viewtopic.php?p=1130680#p1130680

This seems to imply that you had some data for the years 1310 to 1350....or was your claim more of a lopsided comparison sort of thingy? (buttressed by an imposing sun image, of course).


You linked to this thread. Did you intend to link to a different thread?

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 3:46 pm 
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For anyone who missed it, this is my summary of the video referenced in the opening post by DoubtingThomas.

Chap wrote:
A lively and well-presented video.

Takeaway point: variation in solar activity is extremely unlikely to be connected with the global warming and consequent climate change of past decades. That's down to greenhouse gases. Which means us.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 5:45 pm 
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Chap wrote:
A lively and well-presented video.

Takeaway point: variation in solar activity is extremely unlikely to be connected with the global warming and consequent climate change of past decades. That's down to greenhouse gases. Which means us.


Great summary. Thanks Chap.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 5:52 pm 
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subgenius wrote:
Can someone link to the average global temperature for the specific time period of 1310 to 1350 (anno domini)? ...and a record of sun activity for just that same time period would be helpful as well, thank you!


The North Atlantic region isn't the entire globe dude. Stop watching too much Fox News.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 6:00 pm 
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subgenius wrote:
Can someone link to the average global temperature for the specific time period of 1310 to 1350 (anno domini)? ...and a record of sun activity for just that same time period would be helpful as well, thank you!


"Climate change on pace to occur 10 times faster than any change recorded in past 65 million years, Stanford scientists say"
https://news.stanford.edu/news/2013/aug ... 80113.html
https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti ... ion-years/


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 10:49 am 
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DoubtingThomas wrote:
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Can someone link to the average global temperature for the specific time period of 1310 to 1350 (anno domini)? ...and a record of sun activity for just that same time period would be helpful as well, thank you!


The North Atlantic region isn't the entire globe dude. Stop watching too much Fox News.

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Is this what subbie is slowly getting to. He is going to present the medieval warm period? What part of "average GLOBAL temperature" do people not understand?

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 10:54 am 
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Is this what subbie is slowly getting to. He is going to present the medieval warm period? What part of "average GLOBAL temperature" do people not understand?


I don't think subgenius is 'getting to' anything. He's just enjoying wasting people's time. Half the time, he posts stuff that suggests he pays no real attention to what his interlocutors say.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 12:43 pm 
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Chap wrote:
I don't think subgenius is 'getting to' anything. He's just enjoying wasting people's time. Half the time, he posts stuff that suggests he pays no real attention to what his interlocutors say.

Only half the time?

You are an exceptionally charitable person.

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