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 Post subject: Off-topic from "Fear of the left," regarding e-mails
PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2018 11:50 am 
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I think Conservatives have a very deep fear of Liberals. I just learned [violation of Universal Rule #3 deleted]. Some might say that it was a hair fire reaction of the former to being outed by the latter, but I would say it's because Stalin killed millions of people.

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Serious question: Do the moderators wish the matter to which this post apparently refers to become a matter of open discussion on this board? It would be good to have a ruling as soon as possible.


No. Please see Universl Rule 3.

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I think Conservatives have a very deep fear of Liberals. I just learned [violation of Universal Rule #3 deleted]. Some might say that it was a hair fire reaction of the former to being outed by the latter, but I would say it's because Stalin killed millions of people.

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Serious question: Do the moderators wish the matter to which this post apparently refers to become a matter of open discussion on this board? It would be good to have a ruling as soon as possible.


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No. Please see Universl Rule 3.


Fixed the quotes for you. Thanks for the response.

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
I think Conservatives have a very deep fear of Liberals. I just learned [violation of Universal Rule #3 deleted]. Some might say that it was a hair fire reaction of the former to being outed by the latter, but I would say it's because Stalin killed millions of people.

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Universal Rule #3? Let's look at that:

Do not make mention of anything that allegedly transpired or is transpiring via the chat room or via private message that the source him- or herself has not overtly made public. People who communicate behind-the-scenes obviously intend their communications to remain behind-the-scenes. Any post on the board itself making reference to such things will be deleted.


Yeah, usually that's enforced when someone has publicly disclosed personal information about another poster that was gathered behind the scenes. All too often, though, it serves to protect people who actually harass and/or threaten a poster behind the scenes, from public scrutiny.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2018 11:34 am 
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Any PM or e-mail that violates the rules should be reported to Shades or a moderator. UR 3 is not a shield against the consequences of violating the rules.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2018 11:47 am 
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Any PM or e-mail that violates the rules should be reported to Shades or a moderator. UR 3 is not a shield against the consequences of violating the rules.


I already said as much.

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When someone is doing it behind the scenes, unless the recipient discloses it to Shades perhaps, there is no avenue by which we are able to draw public attention to what they are doing, except to issue a "Stay out of my PM's" statement much along the lines I my saying that to DCP in the past.

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I didn’t think that “unless...report...perhaps” is equivalent to “should report” and wanted to make the “should” part clear.

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Any PM or e-mail that violates the rules should be reported to Shades or a moderator. ....


What? A PM, or a mutually consenting off-board email is not 'P' as in private?

I am rule-abiding to the point of pedantry, but that seems to be going a bit far. Dammit, if someone I have encountered on the board invites me to an IRL (though in my case, shall we say, 'masked') email exchange, surely that is no business of the moderators on this board?

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Any PM or e-mail that violates the rules should be reported to Shades or a moderator. ....


What? A PM, or a mutually consenting off-board email is not 'P' as in private?

I am rule-abiding to the point of pedantry, but that seems to be going a bit far. Dammit, if someone I have encountered on the board invites me to an IRL (though in my case, shall we say, 'masked') email exchange, surely that is no business of the moderators on this board?


I don’t understand. How would such an e-mail violate the rules?

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I don’t understand. How would such an e-mail violate the rules?

You originally wrote, "Any PM or e-mail that violates the rules should be reported to Shades or a moderator." We don't, can't, and don't want to moderate e-mails.

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I don’t understand. How would such an e-mail violate the rules?

You originally wrote, "Any PM or e-mail that violates the rules should be reported to Shades or a moderator." We don't, can't, and don't want to moderate e-mails.


I was referring to UR 8, which does govern e-mails.

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You originally wrote, "Any PM or e-mail that violates the rules should be reported to Shades or a moderator." We don't, can't, and don't want to moderate e-mails.

I was referring to UR 8, which does govern e-mails.

Ahh, I see. I stand corrected.

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Thanks be to whomever split this off.

Res Ipsa wrote:

I was referring to UR 8, which does govern e-mails.


You were addressing UR 3, when you said this:

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Any PM or e-mail that violates the rules should be reported to Shades or a moderator. UR 3 is not a shield against the consequences of violating the rules.


That's the comment to which Chap posed the question.

UR #3 was the only rule under discussion.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2018 8:14 pm 
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Jersey Girl, I don’t understand. Obviously, my reference to PMs or e-mails that violate the rules was not a reference to UR 3, which applies to posted material. Was there something about my original post that was unclear?

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So. Dudes peacock up at each other and it gets really, really personal with family members getting brought in. Dude tells other dude he'd be happy to meet him and "talk things out" so to speak. Dude goes radio silent, so dude asks if anyone on the board knows about dude's IRL identity. ____ happens behind the scenes, posts get made where dude mentions where dude works and other personal info (saw that one before it was edited by mods), and more ____ happens behind the scenes. Dude commenting on dude and dude makes it known that ____ happened behind the scenes and calls dude a coward. Moderators come in and delete personal IRL info and play the cleaners.

Personal threats are clear rule violations. Posting IRL info is clearly a rule violation. Making threats towards other posters is a clear rule violation (though I think it's 9 not 8 though 8 could be involved behind the scenes if some of that included threatening the board or the moderation team with legal action or the like).

I guess I don't see what's so hard to get.

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I guess I don't see what's so hard to get.


I don't get why you think something is hard to get.

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I guess I don't see what's so hard to get.


I don't get why you think something is hard to get.

Then the derail was for kicks rather than clarification. Got it.

ETA: Look, universal rule 9 is there to deal with the issue you raised with rule 3. That being, if someone is attacking you behind the scenes through email or PM then making it known to the moderators and shades is the venue for dealing with it rather than posting their emails and PMs on the board so a person can live out their fantasy of starting up a posse. Res said as much. So, again, I don't see what's so hard to get.

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I don't get why you think something is hard to get.

Then the derail was for kicks rather than clarification. Got it.


I see that Chap asked for clarification. Is that what you were thinking about?

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I see that Chap asked for clarification. Is that what you were thinking about?

That and your comment to Res as to why he referenced rule 8 when you brought up your concern with rule 3. I think he meant rule 9 rather than 8 as 9 pertains to threats to board members and rule 8 refers to threats to the board or its moderator team.

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I see that Chap asked for clarification. Is that what you were thinking about?

That and your comment to Res as to why he referenced rule 8 when you brought up your concern with rule 3. I think he meant rule 9 rather than 8 as 9 pertains to threats to board members and rule 8 refers to threats to the board or its moderator team.


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I see that Chap asked for clarification. Is that what you were thinking about?

That and your comment to Res as to why he referenced rule 8 when you brought up your concern with rule 3. I think he meant rule 9 rather than 8 as 9 pertains to threats to board members and rule 8 refers to threats to the board or its moderator team.


Thanks, Honor. Both UR 8 and 9 apply to e-mails, but I was primarily thinking of 9. The 8 was a typo.

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