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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 11:39 am 
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Foolish!

A severely disorder state of mind!

Yes indeed. It is very foolish, and shows a disordered state of mind, to vote for a candidate for President who promotes fear and hate of an identifiable minority, and hence to give him an unparalleled platform in the White House to promulgate his ideas, and then to think that you have no responsibility when violent people act on his amplified and well-publicised message of fear and hate by doing things you would never (I hope) dream of doing yourself.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 12:34 pm 
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Foolish!

A severely disorder state of mind!

Yes indeed. It is very foolish, and shows a disordered state of mind, to vote for a candidate for President who promotes fear and hate of an identifiable minority, and hence to give him an unparalleled platform in the White House to promulgate his ideas, and then to think that you have no responsibility when violent people act on his amplified and well-publicised message of fear and hate by doing things you would never (I hope) dream of doing yourself.

People who voted for Drumpf are only responsible for the good things he does, silly. Just like news is only real if it speaks favorably of the Cheeto dictator... er, I mean President. Don't you realize that gut feelings and feel-good narratives are the authority on all things real?

Um... yeah.

This is clearly another raccoon/whale issue that pertains only to one person's confusion with reality/denial of easily available info and insistence on believing whatever makes them personally comfortable. What's fun is watching the ignorance presented with such condescension. Good times.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 12:41 pm 
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Ugh. The hate on display by the extremist Leftists here today is sad. Really sad. And they wonder why this country is irrevocably divided. Next thing you know they'll start advocating a violent revolution, which is part and parcel with their failed ideology.

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I'd be interested to know at which point in the above listing of propositions our views part company.

You parted with me at "A".

For anyone to posture with such a fantasy flies in the face of democracy itself. You are responsible for your vote and that is it...you do not owe any other citizen any regard on that matter...you are in now way obliged to be informed or go with your gut. And from there the whole point of a "representative" form of government is that the elected represent. A voter does not bear any responsibility for the victories or follies - that is the elected's responsibility. For example, if an elected official is caught smoking crack then that elected official goes to jail alone.

The only arguable responsibility for a citizen is to simply cast the vote.

You're feeble attempt to group-think the voting process is admirable, not novel, but admirable.

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Maybe we could try to take this step by step? That way it will be clear where our views diverge, and why, and we might be able to understand one another even if we don't agree. So here are some propositions that you might or might not agree with:

A. The right to vote in a democracy comes with moral responsibilities. Thus one ought not to vote for a party or candidate without taking the time to learn about what policies they advocate and considering the likely impact of those policies on the country as a whole. Your fellow citizens have the right to expect that you will not use your vote without such due consideration, or simply to amuse yourself. (Of course the right to vote is not CONDITIONAL on the voter carrying out such civic responsibilities. However, one's continuing respect for a fellow-citizen might be so conditional.)

Are you with me there? ...


Could I just check with members of the board whether any major political thinker in the founding days of US constitutional practice ever actually opposed the ideas set out above, principally the notion that:

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... one ought not to vote for a party or candidate without taking the time to learn about what policies they advocate and considering the likely impact of those policies on the country as a whole. Your fellow citizens have the right to expect that you will not use your vote without such due consideration, or simply to amuse yourself.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 2:04 pm 
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Ceeboo wrote:
Foolery!

Unsupported Ceeboo assertion #4,876,562,857,009,256.

(You have to get your unsupported assertion count up in order to be a member in good standing of the GOC (i. e. Grand Ol' Cult)).

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 3:06 pm 
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EAllusion: Encouraging dehumanizing racism seems like a good explanation for the huge increase in racist crimes we are seeing.

EAllusion dehumanizing White people into rabid racists and xenophobes seems like a good reason the Right fears the Left.

Doc: Cuck! Can't explain how anarcho-syndicalism creates a post-racial utopia, can you? This is why Trump won. How can someone not vote for white supremacists in the face of this? Someone fetch me my fainting couch.


Fixed it for you.

One will note how EAllusion keeps trying to shift the conversation away from the opening post to how White people are to blame, for, well, everything & has yet to offer any solution as to how socialist libertarianism could have prevented CA Hispanic deaths from reaching 2x that of Whites and how said policies would've prevented a back woman from braining 92-year-old Mexican in 2018.

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Why do you impute the actions of Donald Trump, Steven Miller, and other figures who have played a prominent role in stoking racial resentment onto all of white people? Seems really racist of you, which I suppose answers my question.


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EAllusion wrote:
Why do you impute the actions of Donald Trump, Steven Miller, and other figures who have played a prominent role in stoking racial resentment onto all of white people? Seems really racist of you, which I suppose answers my question.


Why do you promote the failed policies of socialist libertarians, why do you embrace the murderous thug Stalin, why do you reject the words of Dr. King out of hand?

I'll remind the board once again EAllusion has no answers that don't involve complaining and nothing more. He hates America, he's self-loathing, and he's perfectly emblematic of everything that's wrong with the Left. People in the Center and the Right would do well to think about putting people into power who think like him. It's only a matter of time that he fights so vigorously against your interests you have no place to call your home, your country, or even a life.

Granted, he does this from a deeply embedded pathos that probably has to do with personal insecurities, female rejection, and I'd guess childhood abuse, but that's his cross to bear. Our country shouldn't have to pay reparations because he's in possession of a damaged psyche.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 3:49 pm 
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Why do you impute the actions of Donald Trump, Steven Miller, and other figures who have played a prominent role in stoking racial resentment onto all of white people?


Yup, strange, isn't it?

I think he sees this trope as a rich vein of troll-food that it is his duty to mine to the last.

He used to talk about gardening once, IIRC. That was quite interesting, and vaguely endearing.

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Socialist libertarian is a esoteric term to refer to a form of left-wing thinking in the neighborhood of Noam Chomsky. Noam Chomsky, it should be noted, has never gotten to see his overall policy preferences implemented and they're radically different than Stalinism. It's not an ideological area I agree with and my posting doesn't suggest otherwise. It doesn't produce pat answers on how to reduce the murder rate among specific racial subgroups, and even if it did, I wouldn't be any obligation to explain it since it has nothing to do with anything I said. My posting has absolutely nothing to do with the general murder rate of Hispanics in California in 2014. Rather I discussed the recent large increase of hate crimes in California in the past few years and said it was attributable to corresponding political movement that promotes racial resentment.

I know this is all trolling, and I'm sure you think it's fine Doc because, hey, you don't really think what you say. But really, it does reflect on your character.


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I never quite understood the Doc-EA war.


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Fear of the Left:

Is it grounded in fear of statism?

Fear of unrealistic utopianism?

Fear of loss of traditional modes of community and identity?

What say ye?


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Fear of "The Left" or "The Right" comes from reading or watching alarmists who are selling something. These are big boogeymen, Punch and Judy mockups of reality. They fall apart when you start looking closely. Up and down makes just as much sense as left and right. All of these models are limited and untrustworthy.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 4:21 pm 
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I never quite understood the Doc-EA war.
I don't it is fair to call it a back and forth as it's consistently just like how it went in this thread. I say something innocuous and widely understood, and Doc Cam distorts it into a strawman point and makes wildly offensive claims about what I think and have done. He clearly derives some sort of amusement from it, and it's hard to know to where exactly his dishonesty takes over for poor thinking ability.

It'd be like you insisting that enlightenment thinking was not uniformly positive, me claiming that you just said that it's Ok to kill people for being witches despite your repeated denials of having said such a thing, then me entering threads to claim you've admitted to turning people into the police on false charges because they are witches, then demanding you justify your belief in Satanic pedophile cults.


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Trump is not conservative. He is an opportunist who panders to bigots and bible thumpers.


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I don't it is fair to call it a back and forth as it's consistently just like how it went in this thread. I say something innocuous and widely understood, and Doc Cam distorts it into a strawman point and makes wildly offensive claims about what I think and have done. He clearly derives some sort of amusement from it, and it's hard to know to where exactly his dishonesty takes over for poor thinking ability.

It'd be like you insisting that enlightenment thinking was not uniformly positive, me claiming that you just said that it's Ok to kill people for being witches despite your repeated denials of having said such a thing, then me entering threads to claim you've admitted to turning people into the police on false charges because they are witches, then demanding you justify your belief in Satanic pedophile cults.


Yeah, I don’t claim to understand what is going on.


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This is really rich. The hate-mongerers on this thread are now bewildered and playing the victim. It's a page right out of DCP's playbook. The Leftists on this thread peddle lies about an entire swath of people, hate our country, and can't wrap their poisoned minds around individual agency and the ability to rise above one's circumstances through choice, discipline, and hope.

They're peddlers of fear, hate, intolerance, and misery. Just look at them. Look at what they post. Do you want to be like that? Be like them? No ____ ing thanks. I'll cast aside their bigotry, prejudice, and intolerance for hope, egalitarianism, and merit. They can keep their misery, the misery born of failed socialist and communist governments that have been relegated to the dustbin of history.

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Granted, he does this from a deeply embedded pathos that probably has to do with personal insecurities, female rejection, and I'd guess childhood abuse, but that's his cross to bear. Our country shouldn't have to pay reparations because he's in possession of a damaged psyche.


I was thinking more along the lines of short man syndrome. But yes, Doc is right on the money when it comes to EAllusion.

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