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Are you afraid of leftism, ceebs?

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This happens just about everywhere I speak. People whisper — yes, whisper — that they are conservative or they support Trump. The last time I experienced people looking around to check whether they were seen speaking to me was with dissidents in the Soviet Union.

If I supported Drumpf, I wouldn't want to admit it either. People can claim it's because they fear the left (lol) but they probably don't want to admit it because they subconsciously realize it's a shameful thing to do.

I've never had a problem telling anyone I was a conservative, especially recently. It's the main reason I think Drumpf is a danger to this country.

People should fear writers who do nothing but spread unnecessary fear. There's truth in that article buried in over-sensationalized crap.

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Sadly, fear of the left is what defines conservatives today, just as fear of the right defines many liberals. Why are Americans so afraid of each other? A big reason is the media. Fox news is doing their job to make their viewers fear the enemy. Sadly they turned fellow americans into the enemy.

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Fear of "The Left" or "The Right" comes from reading or watching alarmists who are selling something. These are big boogeymen, Punch and Judy mockups of reality. They fall apart when you start looking closely. Up and down makes just as much sense as left and right. All of these models are limited and untrustworthy.

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Journalism urging people with no personal reason to feel anxious to start being afraid of the members of some group that the writer opposes politically is a genre with a long and not entirely pleasant history.

It has of course been used historically by people who might be described as being on the left, as well as on the right, although the most famous examples in the history of the last century have come from the right - such as Hitler and the Jews in Germany, McCarthy and communism in the US.

A description like this one, for instance:

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In the recent case of a Philadelphia Starbucks manager who asked two black men to purchase something before giving them the code to the restroom, Starbucks immediately appeased the left-wing mob. The company didn’t wait until any facts came out; it simply abandoned the manager and announced it would close every U.S. store one day in May to educate all Starbucks employees about “unconscious bias.”


... makes me think that the writer wants to stir up fear rather than to describe the actual nature of what took place. Noet that we are not told that the manager called the police on the (non-violent, non-threatening) waiting men. But we are on the other hand told about a 'mob', although no mob was involved. This is writing with a very clear agenda, and we would be wise to treat it in that light.

As for the left being 'The Most Powerful Force In America Today' - I can only laugh. That force is in fact the huge political influence of the very great wealth of a tiny fraction of the population, whose power to influence the political process is immense, virtually uncontrolled, and exercised very largely in the interests of growing their wealth and power even further. Compared to them, a few demonstrating college students are chirping crickets versus Tyrannosaurus Rex.

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As for the left being 'The Most Powerful Force In America Today' - I can only laugh. That force is in fact the huge political influence of the very great wealth of a tiny fraction of the population, whose power to influence the political process is immense, virtually uncontrolled, and exercised very largely in the interests of growing their wealth and power even further. Compared to them, a few demonstrating college students are chirping crickets versus Tyrannosaurus Rex.

Exactly. People want to blame everyone but the actual people responsible for the way America is today, and those responsible love that they aren't being blamed. Their propaganda works.

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When conservatives control all branches of government but the Trumpies fear The Left, we can all see who the real snowflakes are. They're the ones clutching guns and crying that their religion and their race no longer get to steamroll everybody else. :lol: Dennis Prager is a professional wing nut. He's been selling this silliness for a long time, it's his niche market. If you like it, it's because you've passed over a whole lot of better quality thinking and commentary because his appeals to you. It tastes good! Makes you feel good! Well, there ya go. :biggrin:

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When conservatives control all branches of government but the Trumpies fear The Left, we can all see who the real snowflakes are. They're the ones clutching guns and crying that their religion and their race no longer get to steamroll everybody else. :lol: Dennis Prager is a professional wing nut. He's been selling this silliness for a long time, it's his niche market. If you like it, it's because you've passed over a whole lot of better quality thinking and commentary because his appeals to you. It tastes good! Makes you feel good! Well, there ya go. :biggrin:


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Wait, so being “conservative” now means I have to support some opportunistic, pandering, populist Cheeto? The bigger problem here is that people actually think that the guy currently in the white house is “conservative” because he has an R next to his name. He is a con man and many self proclaimed conservatives were so desperate for a win(?) after 8 years of “oppression” at the hands of our first black president, that they willingly overlook the fact that they are being played. Trumpism is more like a religion than any rational political stance at this point. As long as he waves his hands enough and says the “right” things, believers will just keep doing what they are told while he dramatically inflates the national debt, creatively raises the taxes of every single person in the US and destroys whole industries through idiotic, outdated economic practices. But hey, at least he has an R next to his name and he is taking a harder stance against darker skinned people.

It’s not hard to see why there is a strong correlation between religious believers and trump supporters.

Trump is not conservative. He is an opportunist who panders to bigots and bible thumpers.

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These are only a few examples of the left-wing intimidation that dominates much of American life.

It does so in large measure because liberals are either too afraid to confront the left or they don’t understand that the American left, not the American right, is the mortal enemy of liberalism.

Nice thoughtful post, thank you.

I think it's worth mentioning that as much as the Left tries to impose "Nazi" upon the Right, it is the Left's ideology and platforms that are hallmarks of that Nazi regime...national healthcare, gun control, media propaganda, etc. When one takes an honest comparison of the Left and the Right such "Nazi" labels clearly stick all over the Left.

That's what is scary.

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Are you afraid of leftism, ceebs?


I'm not sure that I would say that "I'm afraid" . I am concerned.

Are you afraid of conservatism, honor?

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Conservatism? No. I have some fiscal conservative streaks that run through my generally moderate progressive leanings. I do dislike the polemic form that is the public and aggressive form of broad American conservatism that has tribed up and mostly only cares about hating a liberal boogeyman they have turned into a caricature of the liberal tradition. For that matter, I dislike the uninformed authoritarian tendencies of what seem to be mostly young social media driven socialist leanng progressives, too.

But dislike isn't fear. I think fear is motivated by being uninformed and in the case of Prager deliberately misinforming to fan fear.

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As for the left being 'The Most Powerful Force In America Today' - I can only laugh. That force is in fact the huge political influence of the very great wealth of a tiny fraction of the population, whose power to influence the political process is immense, virtually uncontrolled, and exercised very largely in the interests of growing their wealth and power even further. Compared to them, a few demonstrating college students are chirping crickets versus Tyrannosaurus Rex.

Exactly. People want to blame everyone but the actual people responsible for the way America is today, and those responsible love that they aren't being blamed. Their propaganda works.

Yup to both posts.

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it is the Left's ideology and platforms that are hallmarks of that Nazi regime...national healthcare, gun control, media propaganda


Gosh, the place I live is at least two-thirds of the way to Nazism!!

And the first of those three infallible indices of fascism was planned precisely during the national life-or-death struggle of the place I live against actual existing Nazism in WWII, and set in place with overwhelming popular support as a result of the election that followed that struggle.

The idea was, you see, that the people who had fought in that struggle felt that access to free basic health-care was something they were entitled to get after all they had done and sacrificed for peace and human decency. But they were all secret Nazis, obviously!

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Reading this article I concluded that Mr Praeger is so committed t spreading fear and hate that he has created a bubble of fear in which he is obliged to live.

I will not join him.

I do realize that there are extremist leftist elements that I view as corrupting the liberal progressive political coalitions. I am unsure how extensive they are. Evergreen college has been one of the most if not most left leaning colleges in the Northwest since it beginning some 45 years ago. What happens there does not reflect a lot of other places. I realize they are not the only place that has students trying to shut down different points of view by ideological lobotomization.


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When conservatives control all branches of government but the Trumpies fear The Left, we can all see who the real snowflakes are. They're the ones clutching guns and crying that their religion and their race no longer get to steamroll everybody else. :lol: Dennis Prager is a professional wing nut. He's been selling this silliness for a long time, it's his niche market. If you like it, it's because you've passed over a whole lot of better quality thinking and commentary because his appeals to you. It tastes good! Makes you feel good! Well, there ya go. :biggrin:

Succinctly and accurately stated.

Prager’s rant is so bizarre... you’d think that the current President never ever dared to hold ‘rallies’ and publicly insult virtually everyone with whom he disagrees, or characterize anyone he dislikes in the most negative terms, along with accusing past Presidents of being foreign nationals and leading chants to “lock up” past political opponents for no good factual reason.

But Prager rants on and on about the horrible scourge of leftism, and how it apparently is causing everyone to whisper about being conservative or Republican. I guess that the drivers of all of those cars and trucks cruising around toting flags and Trump stickers - along with the occasional pickup ‘rolling coal’ and purposefully spewing diesel
smoke over some poor random Prius driver that just happened to drive by - usually are meekly hidden away in quiet places just trying to have an intellectual and scholarly discussion on conservatism’s finer points.

Ironically, Prager knits his sorry tale of persecution spread across the fabric of American society by using about three obscure examples - most amusingly, this one:

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In the recent case of a Philadelphia Starbucks manager who asked two black men to purchase something before giving them the code to the restroom, Starbucks immediately appeased the left-wing mob. The company didn’t wait until any facts came out; it simply abandoned the manager and announced it would close every U.S. store one day in May to educate all Starbucks employees about “unconscious bias.”

Weren’t these the guys who had the police called on them by the manager, for being suspiciously black looking? Or does the manager there call the police on everyone who sits down without purchasing something but wanting to use a restroom while waiting for another member of their group to arrive?

This is Prager’s proof of ‘leftism’..?

Mak, you’re right. Nothing has exposed who the real snowflakes are in America like the election of Trump. And these folks, for all of their ‘in your face’ celebration and agitation, are still whining about everything, usually because the larger public still prefers not defaulting to the behavior of the Trump community and their frequent displays of vindictiveness and relentless, juvenile self-pity.


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And the first of those three infallible indices of fascism was planned precisely during the national life-or-death struggle of the place I live against actual existing Nazism in WWII, and set in place with overwhelming popular support as a result of the election that followed that struggle.


that's just it Chap, it was the "librul/nazi/deepstate" that was really responsible for those hallmarks of "fascism" that you currently live under. Hitler was really playing the LONG game here and his ultimate goal was successful and sustainable "socialism". He really wanted healthcare for all, social equality, common sense gun laws, societal safety nets for the those in need, etc. He just tried to accomplish these things by being the worst human being he could imagine - very clever if you ask me. Only true patriots like subbachfaps truly understand what Hitler was up to and they are here to continue the fight and virulent nazism (aka free market socialist democracies).

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Those leftists are so scary and threatening that conservatives must hide out at the range in group therapy sessions, pumping lead into the images of the faces of their oppressors.

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