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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 6:09 pm 
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There are those few Trump fans who are POCs (people of color). I could understand POC Republicans before Trump, but I am having a real difficult time fathoming POC Republicans in Trump's GOP.

What do they say their reasons are?


This is where it gets tough to answer for those who let their unchecked emotions run over whatever cerebral matter is left.

Specifics are never a hallmark of those making an emotional statement.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 6:12 pm 
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This may be one of THE MOST RACIST posts I have ever seen on this board.

No way. I can remember many posts made by a couple of posters on this forum that served no other purpose than the poster hoping it would cast black people in a negative light.


Really? CFR


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 6:26 pm 
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Virtually everyone I know on the Right says black people vote democrat because they want government assistance.

But nothing racist about that.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 6:51 pm 
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No way. I can remember many posts made by a couple of posters on this forum that served no other purpose than the poster hoping it would cast black people in a negative light.

Really? CFR

You must be kidding. I'm not going to sort through a pile of posts bellyaching about Res Ipsa and Jersey Girl.

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There are those few Trump fans who are POCs (people of color). I could understand POC Republicans before Trump, but I am having a real difficult time fathoming POC Republicans in Trump's GOP. ...

1. I gotta say... pretty racist post right here...but please explain how every white, yellow, brown, and red Trump supporter is racist...but you, the guy who can't understand how "colored people" don't have their hair on fire over the white boogey man, you're all about that non-racist stuff...maybe POC just need a white hero like you, is that it?
2. There is no evidence that Trump is a white supremacist...NAACP award anybody? Nevertheless, nothing beyond the ghost stories Maddow pulls out from behind her bigoted, and flat white, butt suggests that Trump is a white supremacist.
3. Now let us all just sit back and let you white guys tell us how it is for us POC. Thanks goodness massah for smart white folk like you'ums dat come to deliver us to promised land.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 7:27 pm 
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Virtually everyone I know on the Right says black people vote democrat because they want government assistance.

But nothing racist about that.

oh, so your racism is ok, because Republicans are racist as well...got it!

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 7:45 pm 
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I do disagree with Kish on one thing. I don't think Trump is on the side of the whites. I think he is on the side of himself. I think he may greatly envy Putin and want to be like that. The least resistance to achieving his goals is to be "with the whites". I don't think he is inherently racist. I mean, hell, prior to his political run, was he against cheap labor for his businesses? I think he has molded himself to serve those who will in turn laugh at his jokes and say he's 'da man and keep voting for him, however it is has has to accomplish that. The easiest way is to serve white republicans. And that's pretty easy to do, because to the rich he makes more rich, and poor whites are unfortunately all brainwashed by right-wing media and junk emails that depict entitlements, liberal ideals of inclusiveness, and "big government" as the cause of their problems. It's the opposite of course, things like regressive taxes screw them more than anything, but don't try to explain it.


I guess I don’t see the inconsistency between hiring people of color for cheap labor and being a white supremacist. As I said, white supremacism is about whites being in charge, not whites refusing to pay ____ wages to boss around people of color. I think you underestimate the degree to which Trump has gone out of his way to pander to racists, and some of these gestures are clearly more than acting. His whole thing about having superior German genes, for example. I don't think that is just a dog whistle. No, I am fairly confident that he feels white people are better and that they should be in charge. That does not mean he has an ideologically strict and disciplined Neo-Nazi perspective. He is more like your casually racist old uncle who works around people of color all the time, is completely shameless about stereotyping, and really does believe he and other whites are better. Now he has been put in a position where his natural affinity for doctrinaire ideological racists over their shared racism comes in handy. He talks the talk and walks the walk. The rest of us are nitpicking over what we can prove him to be while he does a lot of harm, just as a sly ideological racist would in his position.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 7:47 pm 
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I do disagree with Kish on one thing. I don't think Trump is on the side of the whites. I think he is on the side of himself. I think he may greatly envy Putin and want to be like that. The least resistance to achieving his goals is to be "with the whites". I don't think he is inherently racist. I mean, hell, prior to his political run, was he against cheap labor for his businesses? I think he has molded himself to serve those who will in turn laugh at his jokes and say he's 'da man and keep voting for him, however it is has has to accomplish that. The easiest way is to serve white republicans. And that's pretty easy to do, because to the rich he makes more rich, and poor whites are unfortunately all brainwashed by right-wing media and junk emails that depict entitlements, liberal ideals of inclusiveness, and "big government" as the cause of their problems. It's the opposite of course, things like regressive taxes screw them more than anything, but don't try to explain it.


I think this is spot on. Trump is one of the most self centered people I have seen. And I don't think that opinion was even in dispute a decade ago.

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Much like our bed sheet wearing beetlejuice who just just needs someone to mention people of color 3 times in order to appear, our resident mouth-breathing, imbecile beetlejuice just needs hear someone talk about stupid people in order to trigger his insecurities causing him make an appearance to prove whatever point you are trying to make about stupid people. You, subfaps are truly a gem...as sad, pathetic, not very bright, very neglected but predictable gem.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 8:01 pm 
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I don't see progressives saying that white folks shouldn't talk to POCs. It's that there are far too many white folks telling POCs what they "should" be doing politically and precious little listening. And, yeah, splaining. So its not STFU -- more like STFU and listen for a change. I don't view listening to underrepresented points of view as a loss of my free speech.


If I see a person speeding toward a cliff, let me consider whether it would be bossy of me to tell them so. I am always telling people what to do because I assume that what I have to say is so important. Maybe I should just keep quiet this time.

Or maybe I am just a guy on a little discussion board who posed a question I was curious about. If our POC Trump supporters here are willing to share their reasons for continuing to support a wannabe authoritarian leader who has given lots of confidence to actual Neo-Nazis and white supremacists to come out of the shadows and run for office, then I am all ears. Excuse me for presuming to bring to others’ attention the fact that Trump attracts and enables hate ideologues, and it is thus a poor idea to support him. I am awaiting further enlightenment from those truly in the know.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 8:06 pm 
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The above is the concluding paragraph to THE MOST RACIST post on this board. In as much as it’s author would rather deflect a racist position by calling others “neo nazis” (always a liberal classic), it’s just too hard to expect an apology. Much like Maxine!

Ignorance, immaturity, anger and lack of self reflection will always be their Achilles. Not much different from any addict trying to blame others.

SO DISGUSTING.


LOL!

Thanks for the substance-free post. Phony outrage is not your strong suit.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 8:25 pm 
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Lonely night for you huh? Here to indulge your humiliation fetish I see. I guess there are worse habits to have but you ought to work on some other hobbies/interests, you have sort of taken this “making a fool of yourself” as far as possible.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 8:29 pm 
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1. I gotta say... pretty racist post right here...but please explain how every white, yellow, brown, and red Trump supporter is racist...but you, the guy who can't understand how "colored people" don't have their hair on fire over the white boogey man, you're all about that non-racist stuff...maybe POC just need a white hero like you, is that it?


Why don’t YOU explain your own claim? I did not claim that. In any case, feel free to set me straight here, subgenius. If you are a POC who supports Trump, I am willing to listen. You’ve already chosen a white, or at least creamsicle, hero to save your day. I never sought that job. I stick with more humble tasks like friendly advice to fellow human beings.

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2. There is no evidence that Trump is a white supremacist...NAACP award anybody? Nevertheless, nothing beyond the ghost stories Maddow pulls out from behind her bigoted, and flat white, butt suggests that Trump is a white supremacist.


Evidence of this NAACP award?

The evidence of his white supremacism is in his association with the alt-right, his many dog whistles to white supremacists, calling the Neo-Nazis protesting in Virginia “good people,” and in his cruel policies such as separating refugee children from their parents seeking asylum.

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3. Now let us all just sit back and let you white guys tell us how it is for us POC. Thanks goodness massah for smart white folk like you'ums dat come to deliver us to promised land.


Hey, you tell me subgenius. I was hoping to hear from a POC and to be enlightened. Thanks for letting us know you are a person in the know here. Tell us how you reconcile your support for Trump with his admiration for Hitler and Putin, his association with alt-right figures like Bannon. His special pride in his great German DNA. His disproportionate slander of POC immigrants as criminals. His misrepresentation of MS-13 as this growing threat of gangsters posing as immigrant families. I am really interested to know.

By the way, you are aware of the actual NAACP comments about Trump this year, I hope.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 8:32 pm 
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I don't see progressives saying that white folks shouldn't talk to POCs. It's that there are far too many white folks telling POCs what they "should" be doing politically and precious little listening. And, yeah, splaining. So its not STFU -- more like STFU and listen for a change. I don't view listening to underrepresented points of view as a loss of my free speech.


If I see a person speeding toward a cliff, let me consider whether it would be bossy of me to tell them so. I am always telling people what to do because I assume that what I have to say is so important. Maybe I should just keep quiet this time.

Or maybe I am just a guy on a little discussion board who posed a question I was curious about. If our POC Trump supporters here are willing to share their reasons for continuing to support a wannabe authoritarian leader who has given lots of confidence to actual Neo-Nazis and white supremacists to come out of the shadows and run for office, then I am all ears. Excuse me for presuming to bring to others’ attention the fact that Trump attracts and enables hate ideologues, and it is thus a poor idea to support him. I am awaiting further enlightenment from those truly in the know.


I apologize if I gave you the impression that I was criticizing you for asking a question. That was not my intent. I suspect that we aren’t in much of a position to give you an answer.

Within the progressive movement, there is tension and conflict over white folks telling, say, BLM protesters how they should run their movement. It’s not just a liberal v. Conservative thing.

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I apologize if I gave you the impression that I was criticizing you for asking a question. That was not my intent. I suspect that we aren’t in much of a position to give you an answer.

Within the progressive movement, there is tension and conflict over white folks telling, say, BLM protesters how they should run their movement. It’s not just a liberal v. Conservative thing.


No need for apologies and please don’t think I am angered by your post. I am aware of the white people presuming to tell black people how to protest. I thought it was ridiculous and racist. More than anything, I was hoping to provoke a POC Trump supporter to set me straight. I am still trying to figure out how inappropriate my method was. I am willing to entertain the possibility that I went about this the wrong way.

But another part of me sees a real distinction with a difference between latently racist white folks lecturing BLM protesters on how to protest, or, say, the blatantly racist Donald Trump falsely accusing black football players of disrespecting the flag when they took a knee, and me saying, “Why is *any* POC tolerating Trump’s racism? Stop!”

I feel pretty confident that the vast majority of people outside of the Trump bubble realize that Trump is either genuinely racist (my position) or he is at least using racism to reach his goals (Dean Robbers’ view). The declining number of POC Republicans and Trump supporters suggests to me the strong possibility that a fair number of POC people have jumped ship because of these troubling events in which Trump’s exploitation of racism manifested itself quite clearly.

For the few hold outs like subgenius, a challenge to explain himself may be in order.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 8:54 pm 
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Why don’t YOU explain your own claim? I did not claim that. In any case, feel free to set me straight here, subgenius. If you are a POC who supports Trump, I am willing to listen. You’ve already chosen a white, or at least creamsicle, hero to save your day. I never sought that job. I stick with more humble tasks like friendly advice to fellow human beings.

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By the way, you are aware of the actual NAACP comments about Trump this year, I hope.

All you're going to get from asking that question of subs, is this:

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A dodge, from a guy with a deer in the headlights look.


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Evidence of this NAACP award?

my mistake, I must have been confused with his 1986 Ellis Island Award :

The Ellis Island Medals of Honor embody the spirit of America in their celebration of patriotism, tolerance, brotherhood and diversity. They recognize individuals who have made it their mission to share with those less fortunate their wealth of knowledge, indomitable courage, boundless compassion, unique talents and selfless generosity; all while maintaining the traditions of their ethnic heritage as they uphold the ideals and spirit of America. As always, NECO remains dedicated to the maintenance and restoration of America’s greatest symbol of its immigrant history, Ellis Island.

all those awards look alike don't they? nevertheless, what a clever white supremacist to play the long, long, long con, eh?

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The evidence of his white supremacism is in his association with the alt-right,

association? just because he's white, correct?

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his many dog whistles to white supremacists,

your fantasy isn't real and your evidence can't be imaginary, by the way.

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calling the Neo-Nazis protesting in Virginia “good people,”

that's an ignorant claim, his quote was "Some Very Fine People on Both Sides" ...and the context was after he noted that not every protestor was a nazi. quit being a sheep, learn facts.

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and in his cruel policies such as separating refugee children from their parents seeking asylum.

yet the documents the ACLU just acquired from the Obama years show horrible abuse of children in those detention centers... but you just didn't know, neither did anyone right? nevertheless, the policy wasn't cruel, no more cruel than any citizen getting arrested and having child services show up. So spare the hair fire.

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Frankly, it doesn't matter what race you are. If you support Drumpf, there is something fundamentally wrong with you. You are either ignorant, stupid, malicious, or insane.

I can sort of understand why one might want to think it extra strange that POC would support Drumpf, but frankly, I don't understand why anyone would support that ____ prick.

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I have a theory that Nigerians love Donald Trump because "they would never go back to their huts".

I dunno...for some reason I don't get a warm fuzzy vibe from Donald Trump when it comes to Africa...

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2018 12:14 am 
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Hey, you tell me subgenius. I was hoping to hear from a POC and to be enlightened. Thanks for letting us know you are a person in the know here. Tell us how you reconcile your support for Trump with his admiration for Hitler and Putin, his association with alt-right figures like Bannon. His special pride in his great German DNA. His disproportionate slander of POC immigrants as criminals. His misrepresentation of MS-13 as this growing threat of gangsters posing as immigrant families. I am really interested to know.

Kish, I guess that he missed this part of the post when composing his dodge.


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"his many dog whistles to white supremacists"
your fantasy isn't real and your evidence can't be imaginary, by the way.


:lol: :lol: Says the classless guy who takes his wife to Paula Deen's Family Kitchen for an anniversary present, well after her notorious "I can say the N-word and not be a racist" fiasco played out. You truly are a piece of work to sit there and defend Trump's racism and dog whistling with a straight face while pretending you're not at all complicit.

Here is a former White Supremacist explaining to Megan Kelly how Trump's numerous dog whistles to racist America are actually bull horns for the extremists who have basically been sitting around just waiting for someone like Trump to energize them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpkU6skEW7c

What makes you think you know more about White Supremacist mentality than bonafide white supremacists?

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