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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 9:46 am 
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There are those few Trump fans who are POCs (people of color). I could understand POC Republicans before Trump, but I am having a real difficult time fathoming POC Republicans in Trump's GOP. And the numbers indicate quite clearly that this is Trump's GOP.

Evidence continues to pile up indicating that Trump is a white supremacist, or, at the very least, that he sympathizes with and enables white supremacists. Being a POC and a Trump follower is being an enabler of your own persecutor and/or oppressor. There is a reason why Trump goes after Muslims and brown immigrants but does nothing to police the immigration of whites. He's a racist. He has a record of being a racist.

What is white supremacism all about? It is about white people being in power, and brown people being under white rule. It does not matter that you have some POC friends, or that you are a POC. That's no defense against the accusation that, as a supporter of Trump, you are a supporter of white supremacism. If you support Trump, you support white supremacism, either directly or indirectly, either wittingly or unwittingly. Don't be Trump's chump.

If you are conservative and a POC, you damn well ought to do everything to fight back against Trump's takeover of the GOP. You should stand with the vocal Republican and non-GOP conservative opponents of Trump and Trumpism.


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I’m pretty sure you can’t underestimate the stupidity of most human beings, especially people who are openly drumpf supporters. There were Jewish nazi sympathizers and there are active Mormons who are openly gay so why not POC who support our racist Cheeto-in-chief? People can rationalize anything and lots of people are just not all that bright, hence drumpf.

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I don't know how people of color can be Latter day Saints. The Book of Mormon is a fabrication to serve a racist need and the taint is found throughout the doctrines, the practices, the personalities. It is now a soft, gentle, patronizing racism, which makes it more insidious. I guess the POC believers might feel safer within it...it might be a matter of adaptation for survival. :eek:

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There are those few Trump fans who are POCs (people of color). I could understand POC Republicans before Trump, but I am having a real difficult time fathoming POC Republicans in Trump's GOP. And the numbers indicate quite clearly that this is Trump's GOP.

Evidence continues to pile up indicating that Trump is a white supremacist, or, at the very least, that he sympathizes with and enables white supremacists. Being a POC and a Trump follower is being an enabler of your own persecutor and/or oppressor. There is a reason why Trump goes after Muslims and brown immigrants but does nothing to police the immigration of whites. He's a racist. He has a record of being a racist.

What is white supremacism all about? It is about white people being in power, and brown people being under white rule. It does not matter that you have some POC friends, or that you are a POC. That's no defense against the accusation that, as a supporter of Trump, you are a supporter of white supremacism. If you support Trump, you support white supremacism, either directly or indirectly, either wittingly or unwittingly. Don't be Trump's chump.

If you are conservative and a POC, you damn well ought to do everything to fight back against Trump's takeover of the GOP. You should stand with the vocal Republican and non-GOP conservative opponents of Trump and Trumpism.


This may be one of THE MOST RACIST posts I have ever seen on this board. The idea that we should have standards for how minorities (or POC) should think, vote, act or associate with goes to the core of why left wing liberals are just plain dangerous and out of touch.


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There are those few Trump fans who are POCs (people of color). I could understand POC Republicans before Trump, but I am having a real difficult time fathoming POC Republicans in Trump's GOP. And the numbers indicate quite clearly that this is Trump's GOP.

Evidence continues to pile up indicating that Trump is a white supremacist, or, at the very least, that he sympathizes with and enables white supremacists. Being a POC and a Trump follower is being an enabler of your own persecutor and/or oppressor. There is a reason why Trump goes after Muslims and brown immigrants but does nothing to police the immigration of whites. He's a racist. He has a record of being a racist.

What is white supremacism all about? It is about white people being in power, and brown people being under white rule. It does not matter that you have some POC friends, or that you are a POC. That's no defense against the accusation that, as a supporter of Trump, you are a supporter of white supremacism. If you support Trump, you support white supremacism, either directly or indirectly, either wittingly or unwittingly. Don't be Trump's chump.

If you are conservative and a POC, you damn well ought to do everything to fight back against Trump's takeover of the GOP. You should stand with the vocal Republican and non-GOP conservative opponents of Trump and Trumpism.


This may be one of THE MOST RACIST posts I have ever seen on this board. The idea that we should have standards for how minorities (or POC) should think, vote, act or associate with goes to the core of why left wing liberals are just plain dangerous and out of touch.


Two things. One, Kish is not a left-wing liberal. Two, actual left wing liberals would have a similar reaction to yours. I winced a little when I read the post, as I'm 100% sure how a white guy telling a POC what they should think and do would be received in left-wing circles. And, it should be noted, the world is full of conservative folks who instruct POC on how they should think and behave. I'm not sure I've ever seen a conservative person defend a liberal POC in the full-throated way Bach does in this case.

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This may be one of THE MOST RACIST posts I have ever seen on this board. The idea that we should have standards for how minorities (or POC) should think, vote, act or associate with goes to the core of why left wing liberals are just plain dangerous and out of touch.


Only in the mind of a halfwitted trump supporter would wondering why a POC would vote for a white supremacist be considered "racist". He literally said "If you are conservative and a POC, you damn well ought to do everything to fight back against Trump's takeover of the GOP. You should stand with the vocal Republican and non-GOP conservative opponents of Trump and Trumpism."

Its no wonder we ended up with such a tool for a president, our country is full of mouth breathers that are incapable of rational thought beyond supporting whichever guy has an R next to his name, like subbachfaps. Thanks for the constant reminder of the type of people alt right politicians and right wing rags are catering to when they spout their nonsense intended to induce perpetual rage among impotent, unsuccessful white tools like yourself. Thanks for being you my man!

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Most African American contractors I've met in the construction business support DJT and the enforcement of the southern border. Mass and illegal immigration of unskilled impoverished people hurts African American people the most.

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Most African American contractors I've met in the construction business support DJT and the enforcement of the southern border. Mass and illegal immigration of unskilled impoverished people hurts African American people the most.


And just like that, our white sheet wearing beetlejuice pops in out of nowhere, with made up stories about the black people he has "met", when we say POC 3x. I also like how you just come in and say stupid things with no evidence other than pretending like you have spoken with black contractors who support DJT. LoL.

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I don't know how people of color can be Latter day Saints. The Book of Mormon is a fabrication to serve a racist need and the taint is found throughout the doctrines, the practices, the personalities. It is now a soft, gentle, patronizing racism, which makes it more insidious. I guess the POC believers might feel safer within it...it might be a matter of adaptation for survival. :eek:


It's a good question. It happens all the time, evidently. The more I understand Mormon History, the less it makes sense to me. Pure and delightsome is a fig leaf over white and delightsome. It is difficult to face the racism baked into Mormon doctrine. I am sure it is unpopular to accept the fact that Mormonism is racist at its foundation and in many ways continues to be so, but I can't deny the facts. Look at the Book of Mormon, which has God placing a curse on the Lamanites to make them "dark and loathsome." Yikes.


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This may be one of THE MOST RACIST posts I have ever seen on this board. The idea that we should have standards for how minorities (or POC) should think, vote, act or associate with goes to the core of why left wing liberals are just plain dangerous and out of touch.


If you think it is racist, then it almost certainly isn't racist at all. This is nothing but pure trolling nonsense.


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Two things. One, Kish is not a left-wing liberal. Two, actual left wing liberals would have a similar reaction to yours. I winced a little when I read the post, as I'm 100% sure how a white guy telling a POC what they should think and do would be received in left-wing circles. And, it should be noted, the world is full of conservative folks who instruct POC on how they should think and behave. I'm not sure I've ever seen a conservative person defend a liberal POC in the full-throated way Bach does in this case.


Yes, this is one of my problems with progressives, the idea that I have no business speaking to POC about things that interest them. God forbid that I should participate in a conversation with POC that would lead us to have better mutual understanding. No, as a white man, I have no business engaging POC or women in a conversation about things of interest to them. I am really weary of that attitude. If I say something stupid, I am grown up enough to own up to making a mistake, and I trust that they will be understanding enough to call me on it and help me grasp where I made a mistake. But the idea that I should shut the ____ up because I am white and male flies in the face of our culture of free speech.

Really, I am sick as ____ of the whole conservative/liberal war. Both groups make me sick to my stomach. The difference, with Trump, is that we all have a real enemy who is running roughshod over our Constitution and may very well be looking to establish a tyranny for himself. I marvel at POC in particular supporting this guy, but the truth is that no one who loves the rule of the law and the Constitution should support Trump. He is a corrupt, reckless fool, who is doing great damage to our country. So, white people who support Trump, don't be his chump.

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Most African American contractors I've met in the construction business support DJT and the enforcement of the southern border. Mass and illegal immigration of unskilled impoverished people hurts African American people the most.


And just like that, our white sheet wearing beetlejuice pops in out of nowhere, with made up stories about the black people he has "met", when we say POC 3x. I also like how you just come in and say stupid things with no evidence other than pretending like you have spoken with black contractors who support DJT. LoL.


I have a difficult time taking anything a Neo-Nazi says seriously. Yes, there are POC who support Donald Trump for various reasons. Sure, but, as I noted in my OP, Trump is out for the white people first. Anyone whose clarity of thought is obscured by other concerns is ignorant or foolish, regardless of color, gender, or creed. Right about now I would prefer that we had Paul Ryan as president over Trump/Pence. Ryan may have no real values, but he is probably a helluva lot less dangerous than either Trump or Pence, and he may be less racist than either of those two.


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I have a difficult time taking anything a Neo-Nazi says seriously. Yes, there are POC who support Donald Trump for various reasons. Sure, but, as I noted in my opening post, Trump is out for the white people first. Anyone whose clarity of thought is obscured by other concerns is ignorant or foolish, regardless of color, gender, or creed. Right about now I would prefer that we had Paul Ryan as president over Trump/Pence. Ryan may have no real values, but he is probably a helluva lot less dangerous than either Trump or Pence, and he may be less racist than either of those two.


The country declined that opportunity in 2012.

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There are those few Trump fans who are POCs (people of color). I could understand POC Republicans before Trump, but I am having a real difficult time fathoming POC Republicans in Trump's GOP.

What do they say their reasons are?

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I’m pretty sure you can’t underestimate the stupidity of most human beings,....

naw, you've set the standard for stupidity in a definite way, no one who has read your posts will underestimate human stupidity ever again.

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What kind of numbers are we dealing with?

http://www.people-press.org/2018/03/20/ ... ic-groups/

according this, in the last 20 years or so, black republicans have dropped from six to three percent. Out of that three percent, how many are specifically trump supporters? I assume Bach has met most of them.

Hispanics have dropped from 20% to 14%. How many are trump supporters?

If I had to guess, the majority of that small percentage are those with deep religious opposition to gay marriage, abortion, and not necessarily loyal to Trump. Those who were two years ago, let's see if they still are two years from today.

I had one very odd encounter with a Hispanic woman who was a shuttle driver on a trip to airport. She was a big trump supporter because she said he was hilarious and kept her laughing. She said he can't really do much more with a wall than has already been done, and explained in some detail where all the people she knows used to cross and how much harder it is now. I would pay good money to speak with her again and see if her views have changed. I think she vastly underestimated his creativity to inflict evil. I know I did.

I do disagree with Kish on one thing. I don't think Trump is on the side of the whites. I think he is on the side of himself. I think he may greatly envy Putin and want to be like that. The least resistance to achieving his goals is to be "with the whites". I don't think he is inherently racist. I mean, hell, prior to his political run, was he against cheap labor for his businesses? I think he has molded himself to serve those who will in turn laugh at his jokes and say he's 'da man and keep voting for him, however it is has has to accomplish that. The easiest way is to serve white republicans. And that's pretty easy to do, because to the rich he makes more rich, and poor whites are unfortunately all brainwashed by right-wing media and junk emails that depict entitlements, liberal ideals of inclusiveness, and "big government" as the cause of their problems. It's the opposite of course, things like regressive taxes screw them more than anything, but don't try to explain it.

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Remember this guy? He still shows up to virtually every Trump gathering and they carefully place him right behind the great orange one. Talk about paid actors.

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Much like our bed sheet wearing beetlejuice who just just needs someone to mention people of color 3 times in order to appear, our resident mouth-breathing, imbecile beetlejuice just needs hear someone talk about stupid people in order to trigger his insecurities causing him make an appearance to prove whatever point you are trying to make about stupid people. You, subfaps are truly a gem...as sad, pathetic, not very bright, very neglected but predictable gem.

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Two things. One, Kish is not a left-wing liberal. Two, actual left wing liberals would have a similar reaction to yours. I winced a little when I read the post, as I'm 100% sure how a white guy telling a POC what they should think and do would be received in left-wing circles. And, it should be noted, the world is full of conservative folks who instruct POC on how they should think and behave. I'm not sure I've ever seen a conservative person defend a liberal POC in the full-throated way Bach does in this case.


Yes, this is one of my problems with progressives, the idea that I have no business speaking to POC about things that interest them. God forbid that I should participate in a conversation with POC that would lead us to have better mutual understanding. No, as a white man, I have no business engaging POC or women in a conversation about things of interest to them. I am really weary of that attitude. If I say something stupid, I am grown up enough to own up to making a mistake, and I trust that they will be understanding enough to call me on it and help me grasp where I made a mistake. But the idea that I should shut the ____ up because I am white and male flies in the face of our culture of free speech.

Really, I am sick as ____ of the whole conservative/liberal war. Both groups make me sick to my stomach. The difference, with Trump, is that we all have a real enemy who is running roughshod over our Constitution and may very well be looking to establish a tyranny for himself. I marvel at POC in particular supporting this guy, but the truth is that no one who loves the rule of the law and the Constitution should support Trump. He is a corrupt, reckless fool, who is doing great damage to our country. So, white people who support Trump, don't be his chump.

There, I have 'splained to everyone now.


I don't see progressives saying that white folks shouldn't talk to POCs. It's that there are far too many white folks telling POCs what they "should" be doing politically and precious little listening. And, yeah, splaining. So its not STFU -- more like STFU and listen for a change. I don't view listening to underrepresented points of view as a loss of my free speech.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 5:50 pm 
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If you are conservative and a POC, you damn well ought to do everything to fight back against Trump's takeover of the GOP. You should stand with the vocal Republican and non-GOP conservative opponents of Trump and Trumpism.

The above is the concluding paragraph to THE MOST RACIST post on this board. In as much as it’s author would rather deflect a racist position by calling others “neo nazis” (always a liberal classic), it’s just too hard to expect an apology. Much like Maxine!

Ignorance, immaturity, anger and lack of self reflection will always be their Achilles. Not much different from any addict trying to blame others.

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This may be one of THE MOST RACIST posts I have ever seen on this board.

No way. I can remember many posts made by a couple of posters on this forum that served no other purpose than the poster hoping it would cast black people in a negative light.

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