honorentheos wrote:Subbie -
The reporting quotes high level sources in Ukraine including the motive as to why they are choosing to not cooperate with the Mueller investigation of Paul Manafort's work there on the behalf of their former and corrupt President. So it can't be that your problem is with the information.
I had no problem with that information, because I am not the one conflating that information with the motivations of the White House. The Ukraine's statement towards their own motive does not prove or even indicate that there was election cheating. So, perhaps it is
the information that your should focus upon.
honorentheos wrote:Now normally when the US, usually through the CIA and surrogates, goes about arming the world as the biggest international arms dealer there is ostensibly a higher purpose that aligns with American foreign policy.
Normally? ok, given that you concede this behavior as normal....do you not agree that you are simply confirming my post's statement of -
"your assertion of this seems rather naïve (and politically convenient) in the context of world history, american history, and the fundamental working of mankind and societies." ?
Just because you are "assuming" that the deal was nefarious does not mean that it was...The rather ambiguous and cursory motive noted by Ukraine is hardly being put forth as the reason for the sale...the information and timeline does not align with such a conclusion.
honorentheos wrote: And don't you know, arming Ukraine in it's fight for maintaining its independence from Russia seems to align with American foreign policy and interests. But oddly, not with the Republican platform presented at the convention where the plank was removed through request from the Trump campaign.
CFR...and also provide some sort of justification whereas a President never deviates from his own party's platform.
honorentheos wrote:So...we have reporting that US arms have strings attached that form an apparent quid pro quo that trades American foreign policy interests for protection of Trump's inner circle.
but that is just the thing...there are no strings attached...there is no proof, evidence, or reasonable inkling that this was quid pro quo...in fact,
the information notes just the opposite....literally fromn the OP citation -
"Ukrainian politicians, he said, concluded on their own that any help prosecuting Mr. Manafort could bring down Mr. Trump’s wrath."(spoiler alert: conjecture doth not a quid-pro-quo make)...and please, spare us the "i know what is really going on" exclamations, because ya don't.
honorentheos wrote:Does that help clear up your confusion?
I am not confused my friend, but perhaps you should check your own
information.