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PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 8:52 am 
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I believe that each of us are doing the best we can based on our subjective ideas of what constitutes “best.” Still, I see a tendency in myself and others to get kind of stuck in comfortable habits while opportunities to improve conditions are missed. It requires some reaching out into the unknown - or unfamiliar to test ourselves to really see what we’ve got, what we’re made of.

Jordan Peterson expanded on this idea (in link below) & quoted Carl Jung: ”Modern people didn’t see God because they didn’t look low enough.” We are not perfect & our societies and surroundings are not perfect- and thus the never-ending challenge to improve ourselves and this world - as much as we can - and only time will tell how much that is!

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How about improving your surroundings by not being a raging homophobe?

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 2:24 pm 
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It’s as if you wanted to shoot me to go along with the lies you like, but all you have is name calling...

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People who use the ad hominem attack, “homophobe” are unaware that they are not only being illogical but also that they are blindly repeating rhetoric they learned through mind control.

The book, “After the Ball” explains how mind control was systematically administered to change opinion from hating homosexuality to encouraging it. Of course only those adults who struggle with critical thinking are susceptible to being so fooled.

“From the 1989 book, "After the Ball - How America will conquer its fear and hatred of Gays in the 90s" (Penguin Books) which immediately became a beacon for the then-emerging homosexual movement.

Building on the basic strategies outlined in Marshall Kirk's groundbreaking 1987 article, "The Overhauling of Straight America", this book puts forth the very sophisticated psychological persuasion and propaganda mass media techniques that we've all seen and been affected by over the years -- but never understood what was happening.

Kirk is a researcher in neuropsychiatry. The book describes his co-author Hunter Madsen as having received a doctorate in Politics from Harvard in 1985 and an expert on public persuasion tactics and social marketing, who has designed commercial advertising on Madison Avenue and served as a consultant to gay media campaigns across the country, and appears frequently on national media as an advocate for gay rights...” http://www.massresistance.org/docs/issu ... _ball.html


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So you are still clinging to the hateful positions you posted in the other forum? You condemn yourself. There are no names that I could call you that could capture that kind of bigotry except the awful sick irony of your screen name, "Amore." :wink:

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 2:39 pm 
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There are 3 principles I defend:

1. In a world of such abundance, it is ridiculously shameful that almost 1/7 of the world’s population are “chronically hungry.” Tithes (at least 1/3) should go to those in need.

2. Rights are given by our creator - and children (developing humans) should not be denied the right to life. Yet in abortion, these children are killed in horrible ways - like being ripped apart limb by limb when their central nervous system is intact by 8 weeks gestation - so many can feel such horrific pain!

3. Homosexuality and “same sex marriage” involve lies that are hurting many, especially children. Before homosexuals bullied their way into the legal system and apa, confusing your child with transgender clothes or hormones was illegal child abuse. Homosexual advocates have stated clearly their goal of “sodomizing your sons.” Homosexuality statistically proves to involve high rates of STDs, AIDS/HIV and mental illness, besides complications of anal sex risks. Yet homosexual liars would try to fool you into thinking it’s nothing but “gay rainbows.”


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 2:58 pm 
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I'll take that as a yes. :lol:

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Amore wrote:
It’s as if you wanted to shoot me to go along with the lies you like, but all you have is name calling...

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People who use the ad hominem attack, “homophobe” are unaware that they are not only being illogical but also that they are blindly repeating rhetoric they learned through mind control.

The book, “After the Ball” explains how mind control was systematically administered to change opinion from hating homosexuality to encouraging it. Of course only those adults who struggle with critical thinking are susceptible to being so fooled.

“From the 1989 book, "After the Ball - How America will conquer its fear and hatred of Gays in the 90s" (Penguin Books) which immediately became a beacon for the then-emerging homosexual movement.

Building on the basic strategies outlined in Marshall Kirk's groundbreaking 1987 article, "The Overhauling of Straight America", this book puts forth the very sophisticated psychological persuasion and propaganda mass media techniques that we've all seen and been affected by over the years -- but never understood what was happening.

Kirk is a researcher in neuropsychiatry. The book describes his co-author Hunter Madsen as having received a doctorate in Politics from Harvard in 1985 and an expert on public persuasion tactics and social marketing, who has designed commercial advertising on Madison Avenue and served as a consultant to gay media campaigns across the country, and appears frequently on national media as an advocate for gay rights...” http://www.massresistance.org/docs/issu ... _ball.html


Ah yes. Gay mind control! The conspiracy invented by anti-gay bigots.

Kirk and Madsen -- a couple of evil gay geniuses who manipulated an entire country into... into.... into... recognizing gay folks as fellow humans and treating them accordingly. The evil bastards!!

How influential were these guys? Well, they wrote an article and book. Although did obtain a bachelors and masters degrees in psychology from Harvard. His thesis was, I believe, on the testing of gifted children. According to wikipedia, he worked as a genealogist. He has no articles published on neuropsychiatry, although anti-gay web sites portray him as a neuropsychology researcher to make him sound scary. Madsen got an undergraduate degree in sociology and later got a marketing gig. He's so influential that he doesn't even have a wiki page. Wow, some pair of master, manipulative, evil geniuses.

It's likely no one would even remember this book except that the Christian Right got ahold of it and turned it into a gay boogeyman. When you hit the google, you don't find lots of gay folks discussing the book and references to adopting the strategies recommended in the book (which, by the way, including coming out of the closet and showing the public that they are just regular folks). No, what you find are Christian gay haters using the book to claim that the evil homosexuals brainwashed the entire country. It's nonsense. And it's malicious nonsense designed to whip up hatred against gay folks. It's literally homophobia -- propaganda used by haters like Amore to demonize their fellow humans.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 3:48 pm 
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I'm surprised Paul Cameron wasn't mentioned. :wink:

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 3:53 pm 
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There are 3 principles I defend:

1. In a world of such abundance, it is ridiculously shameful that almost 1/7 of the world’s population are “chronically hungry.” Tithes (at least 1/3) should go to those in need.

2. Rights are given by our creator - and children (developing humans) should not be denied the right to life. Yet in abortion, these children are killed in horrible ways - like being ripped apart limb by limb when their central nervous system is intact by 8 weeks gestation - so many can feel such horrific pain!

3. Homosexuality and “same sex marriage” involve lies that are hurting many, especially children. Before homosexuals bullied their way into the legal system and apa, confusing your child with transgender clothes or hormones was illegal child abuse. Homosexual advocates have stated clearly their goal of “sodomizing your sons.” Homosexuality statistically proves to involve high rates of STDs, AIDS/HIV and mental illness, besides complications of anal sex risks. Yet homosexual liars would try to fool you into thinking it’s nothing but “gay rainbows.”


Of course, you probably hadn't noticed that number 2 (forcing women to give birth against their will) makes number one (hungry people) worse. And your number 3 is more of your usual dishonest nonsense.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 4:19 pm 
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Amore wrote:
Yet in abortion, these children are killed in horrible ways - like being ripped apart limb by limb when their central nervous system is intact by 8 weeks gestation - so many can feel such horrific pain!


More nonsense. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1440624/

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 4:28 pm 
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I'm surprised Paul Cameron wasn't mentioned. :wink:


Did you click through to the webpage Amore cited? They don't need an assist from Cameron. :rolleyes:

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I'm surprised Paul Cameron wasn't mentioned. :wink:


Did you click through to the webpage Amore cited? They don't need an assist from Cameron. :rolleyes:


I was at BYU when they were doing the aversion therapy on the Lower Campus. One of the guys in my branch presidency was a graduate student assisting there who was very excited about the great "work" they were doing. Card and Bergin were the professors most involved. See Sean Weakland's "Legacies". People are still messed up 40 years later. I have no patience for this vicious pseudoscientific nonsense.

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I have little patience for any pseudoscientific nonsense. But reparative therapy or whatever the cool kids are calling it these days is particularly noxious.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 7:06 pm 
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So, maybe we can improve ourselves by taking seriously that whole "love they neighbor" stuff.

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So, maybe we can improve ourselves by taking seriously that whole "love they neighbor" stuff.


Some of us think this is love...

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 8:57 am 
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Amore wrote:
There are 3 principles I defend:

3. Homosexuality and “same sex marriage” involve lies that are hurting many, especially children. Before homosexuals bullied their way into the legal system and apa, confusing your child with transgender clothes or hormones was illegal child abuse. Homosexual advocates have stated clearly their goal of “sodomizing your sons.” Homosexuality statistically proves to involve high rates of STDs, AIDS/HIV and mental illness, besides complications of anal sex risks. Yet homosexual liars would try to fool you into thinking it’s nothing but “gay rainbows.”


I spent at least ten years opposing gay marriage. But I got really involved in thinking about it and discussing it reasonably. I could not avoid thinking about the issues compassionately, either.

So one of the first things to be discarded was any conflating of ALL homosexuality and homosexuals with what some advocates say or as liars. You are talking about real people. All it takes for a person to be homosexual is the quality of desiring sexual and emotional intimacy only from a members of the same sex. That is all. It is not dishonest to acknowledge this personal, biological trait.

Consider this: even if there is something cosmologically or in any other way off or wrong about homosexuality, what is the best way for people to learn that? By force? By public decree?

Are they to be disallowed from learning and growing through intimate same-sex relationships? Is that truly the way of goodness and truth?


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 11:33 pm 
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The book, “After the Ball” explains how mind control was systematically administered to change opinion from hating homosexuality to encouraging it.

Amore, can you tell us about the mind control techniques and users who systemically programmed your mind to 'hate' homosexuality?


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 9:04 am 
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The book, “After the Ball” explains how mind control was systematically administered to change opinion from hating homosexuality to encouraging it.

Amore, can you tell us about the mind control techniques and users who systemically programmed your mind to 'hate' homosexuality?

Sure. It requires someone to have a thorough understanding of logic and logical fallacies and then years of illogical and cruel abuse, stocking, & harassing anytime that someone states anything logical but inconvenient to homosexual fanatics position. Some people will get frustrated with just that. But others have more patience and do not begin hating until they are hurt badly with friend betrayal (ie intillerance to perceived intollerance) and being constantly bombarded in schools, workplaces, media and even streets with homosexual bullying. I suppose you shouldn’t hate bullies, but we’re only human. We hate those who hate & bully us for their imaginging of us hating them.

The mind control some on this forum have unknowingly been subject to is extensively covered in books like “After the Ball” & “The Overhauling of Straight America.” But of course as people who never recovered from cult-mentality, they will never read anything that doesn’t support their preconceived notions. Thus the unknowing mind control continues.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 10:03 am 
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2. Rights are given by our creator - and children (developing humans) should not be denied the right to life.

Rights are given by our creator.

Well, there goes your credibility. And you want to criticize how others have been mind-controlled?

LOL

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 10:15 am 
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I just realized why women like Amore are threatened by homosexuals.

It's about securing resources. Holy ____.

They realize if dudes are chasing after dudes, and not making babies with them, then they'll have to be responsible for themselves. If people like Amore can't leech off a pack mule male then they'll actually have to get a job or a career. The thought of providing for herself or themselves must absolutely terrify the ____ out of them.

Amore! Women don't need no man! Don't be so afraid of getting a job and securing your own future! Encourage women to get into the trades, construction, infrastructure, and other viable careers where we need laborers! You can do it! Rosie the Riveter and all that.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 10:31 am 
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“From the 1989 book, "After the Ball - How America will conquer its fear and hatred of Gays in the 90s" (Penguin Books).

So given the time differential, you are saying that attitudes will change in Utah sometime in the 2040's?

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