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PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 11:03 am 
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Former White House Chief Strategist Steve Bannon emphasized in a 60 Minutes interview that President Donald Trump’s message of economic nationalism is so powerful because it will ultimately unite Americans of all races and backgrounds.
“Economic nationalism is what this country was built on. The American system—we look after our own. We look after our citizen, we look after our manufacturing base,” Bannon told CBS anchor Charlie Rose. “And guess what? This country’s going to be greater, more united, more powerful than it’s ever been. This is not astrophysics. And by the way, that’s every nationality, every race, every religion, every sexual preference.”

Bannon pointed out that “as long as you’re an American citizen, you’re part of this populous economic nationalist movement.”
Bannon said his belief in how much economic nationalism can unite Americans of all races and backgrounds was why he told President Donald Trump that he thought he was going to win the election after the Access Hollywood tape was released. Some of Trump’s advisers thought he had no chance and even urged Trump to drop out of the race. The Breitbart News executive chairman, though, said he told Trump he had a “100%” chance to win the election if he just doubled down on the economic nationalist message.
“That’s why I told him, ‘Double down,’ every time [on the economic nationalism message],’ Bannon recalled. “And on that day that’s the first time and only time he ever got upset with me. He goes, ‘Come on, it’s not 100%.” I go, ‘It’s absolutely 100%.’ And I told him why. They don’t care [about locker-room talk].”
In the end, Bannon was right, as Trump shocked the world and the political elites on election night, as his economic nationalism message galvanized Americans who had not voted in presidential elections because they just got sick and tired of voting for candidates who only appealed to the 3.8%.
Bannon told Rose that the “American system” of “protection of our manufacturing, financial system that lends to manufacturers … and the control of our borders” has always been built “on our citizens.”
“I think what we have to do is focus on the American citizens,” Bannon said. “I think we have to focus on American citizens.”

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I wish Trump would listen to the people that got him where he is rather than those who will always hate him. And as of yet, contrary to EAllusion's prediction, I've yet to see Breitbart turn it's guns on Trump.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 11:12 am 
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If only there were a historic example of what can happen to America, and the world, when so-called “economic nationalism” is let loose to run wild :wink: ...

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The last time, it didn't exactly help American Exports very much either.

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I don't remember the Third Reich uniting Germans of all races.

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Yes of course all Americans would, other things being equal, support policies that were good for the US economy, taking its long-term sustainability into account. Why not?

The point, however, is whether Trump's specific economic policies will or can achieve that. It is perfectly proper for Americans to disagree on that point. And they do.

The Founding Fathers were well used to the idea that such disagreements could and would arise in the country they were founding. So they set up all kinds of arrangements (including democratically elected representative government), which provided for those disagreements to be expressed without there having to be fighting in the streets.

Are you happy for those arrangements to continue operating as they planned, with all the resultant disagreements and delays, or are you suggesting that those who do not happen to think the president's policies are good for the country's economy should either fall silent or be silenced?

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Bannon's Economic Nationalism is nothing more than a Dog Whistle" for white supremacy.


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Bannon's Economic Nationalism is nothing more than a "dog whistle" for white supremacy.


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Economic nationalism refers to an ideology favoring policies that emphasize domestic control of the economy, labor, and capital formation, even if this requires the imposition of tariffs and other restrictions on the movement of labor, goods and capital.


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I don't remember the Third Reich uniting Germans of all races.

Sorry for my lazy and flippant post. I should have provided more background information.

That's a picture of an inflationary note from the Weimar Republic.

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If only there were a historic example of what can happen to America, and the world, when so-called “economic nationalism” is let loose to run wild :wink: ...

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The last time, it didn't exactly help American Exports very much either.

this has gotta be a record for invoking the Nazi hysteria....

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Maxine Waters wrote:
I wish Trump would listen to the people that got him where he is rather than those who will always hate him. And as of yet, contrary to EAllusion's prediction, I've yet to see Breitbart turn it's guns on Trump.


It's fired warning shots so far. I'm sure you've read them, so you know what I'm referring to. The belief seems to be that Trump can still be influenced on the outside.

On another note, it's hilarious that Bannon gets treated as an intellectual.


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this has gotta be a record for invoking the Nazi hysteria....

I reckon it is, if one is traveling with Marty and Doc Brown. The Weimar Republic hyperinflation predates Nazi Germany by over a decade.


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It's fired warning shots so far. I'm sure you've read them, so you know what I'm referring to. The belief seems to be that Trump can still be influenced on the outside.


I remember reading conservatives at Breitbart who didn't support Trump during the primary. Ben Shapiro would be a good example. Breitbart has been honest on things they didn't agree with Trump. But I don't see them turning their guns on Trump. It's not the TrumpBart propaganda site that you guys paint it.

Bannon has articulated economic nationalism in a way I have failed to do. I've allowed you guys to define me as a racist when really I'm an economic nationalist, not even a white nationalist as I once thought.

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“Economic nationalism is what this country was built on. The American system—we look after our own. We look after our citizen, we look after our manufacturing base,” Bannon told CBS anchor Charlie Rose. “And guess what? This country’s going to be greater, more united, more powerful than it’s ever been. This is not astrophysics. And by the way, that’s every nationality, every race, every religion, every sexual preference.”

After the new, magic state of hyper-nationalism takes over, I'm sure that it's going to be kumbaya all the time... until someone notices the cost of their groceries has shot through the roof.

I sure hope that you never shop at a Wal-Mart... because if you do, you are also part of the problem.


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Maxine Waters wrote:
“Economic nationalism is what this country was built on. The American system—we look after our own. We look after our citizen, we look after our manufacturing base,” Bannon told CBS anchor Charlie Rose. “And guess what? This country’s going to be greater, more united, more powerful than it’s ever been. This is not astrophysics. And by the way, that’s every nationality, every race, every religion, every sexual preference.”

After the new, magic state of hyper-nationalism takes over, I'm sure that it's going to be kumbaya all the time... until someone notices the cost of their groceries has shot through the roof.

I sure hope that you never shop at a Wal-Mart... because if you do, you are also part of the problem.


I love how some invent new terms that don't really mean anything. All countries, including the US, have always put their own economic interest first.

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I love how some invent new terms that don't really mean anything. All countries, including the US, have always put their own economic interest first.



Really, then why was Trump the only one of 17 republicans to embrace this platform? I'll give you a hint. Mass and illegal immigration mixed with socialism is not in the best interests working class US taxpayers. And half the US now understands that.

What Europe is doing now is kind of the opposite of what Rome did. Don't tell me all nations have always embraced economic nationalism because in recent history they have not. The Paris treaty was a horrible deal for the US and not going to work anyway.

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I love how some invent new terms that don't really mean anything. All countries, including the US, have always put their own economic interest first.

Really, then why was Trump the only one of 17 republicans to embrace this platform? I'll give you a hint. Mass and illegal immigration mixed with socialism is not in the best interests working class US taxpayers. And half the US now understands that.

What Europe is doing now is kind of the opposite of what Rome did. Don't tell me all nations have always embraced economic nationalism because in recent history they have not. The Paris treaty was a horrible deal for the US and not going to work anyway.

Ajax, could you explain a little more the connection you see between legal or illegal immigrants working in this country, and the promotion of economic nationalism? I get the sense that you are treating the two as completely incompatible for some unstated reason.


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To repeat Bannon's Economic Nationalism is nothing more than a "Dog Whistle" for white supremacy.
SEE https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics ... ationalism

Steve Bannon’s “economic nationalism” is total nonsense
Trump recognizes exactly what a good con is worth.
Updated by Matthew Yglesias@mattyglesiasmatt@vox.com Aug 21, 2017, 12:10pm EDT
Former chief strategist and campaign manager Steve Bannon’s departure from the Trump White House surely does not mean an end to the demagogic racial politics in which Donald Trump has trafficked for decades.
It does, however, seem to mark the final eclipse of the notion that Trump would move beyond demagoguery and construct a vision of “nationalist” economic policy that would differ in a meaningful way from standard-issue pro-business Republicanism. Bannon, on his way out the door, appeared serious about this idea — phoning up progressive magazine editor Robert Kuttner to try to find common ground on trade policy and explain that “to me, the economic war with China is everything.” ... .


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Really, then why was Trump the only one of 17 republicans to embrace this platform? I'll give you a hint. Mass and illegal immigration mixed with socialism is not in the best interests working class US taxpayers. And half the US now understands that.


Less then half voted for Trump, and it was not all because of the only issue you think about.

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What Europe is doing now is kind of the opposite of what Rome did. Don't tell me all nations have always embraced economic nationalism because in recent history they have not. The Paris treaty was a horrible deal for the US and not going to work anyway.


You mean the Paris accord. It is a non-binding agreement that doesn't even spell out what the US will do to meet greenhouse reductions. It's sad that people who have no problem trusting experts in other fields don't want to trust the experts in sciences related to climate just because they are not telling them what they want to hear. Economic interest in the US will continue to be hurt, and much worse in the future, if the world does not solve how mankind is effecting the climate. The US will also be left behind and hurt economically by not pursuing new technologies that will reduce out impact on the planet. I think you do have interest in the US economy doing well, but your bias's are extreme and keep you from seeing things as they really are.

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The US will also be left behind and hurt economically by not pursuing new technologies that will reduce out impact on the planet. I think you do have interest in the US economy doing well, but your bias's are extreme and keep you from seeing things as they really are.


Yup. Meanwhile other auto manufacturing countries, including China, are planning to phase out fossil-fuel burning automobiles altogether - because they aim to be the people who master and sell the new technologies involved.

Committing the US to trying to recreate the 1950s is a tactic that will inevitably lead to national impoverishment.

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Ajax, could you explain a little more the connection you see between legal or illegal immigrants working in this country, and the promotion of economic nationalism? I get the sense that you are treating the two as completely incompatible for some unstated reason.


I can't believe you're seriously asking that. Economic nationalism promotes the interests of citizens of the US, not citizens of the world. It's a smart political stance given that illegal immigrants shouldn't be voting. But voter fraud is real.

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You are being conned by Trump.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/pl ... eaba244126

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If America produces the best craftsmanship, why, then, does Ivanka Trump’s company manufacture no items in the United States? As The Post reported just last week, her company relies “exclusively on foreign factories,” including in Bangladesh, Indonesia, Vietnam and China, to manufacture the shoes, handbags, blouses, dresses, jeans and shirts for the first daughter’s line of clothing.

Similarly, many items in Trump’s own clothing and home accessories are produced overseas in countries including China, Bangladesh and Mexico. When he excoriates American companies for moving manufacturing jobs overseas, then, he is including himself in his own criticism — but of course would never admit that. Instead, when questioned about why he manufactures items overseas, his answer was, essentially, everyone else does it.

While campaigning for president, Trump dismissed criticism of his foreign-made goods, claiming (incorrectly, according to FactCheck.org) that he had little choice because apparel just isn’t manufactured in the United States anymore. What Trump doesn’t want to say is that it would cost him more to make his products here in the United States and pay a decent wage to those American workers that he supposedly is dedicated to defending.

Trump doesn’t even bother to pay more for American-made goods for those in his customer base who could pay more for items: guests at his luxury hotels. While staying in an $850-per-night room at Trump’s Washington, D.C., hotel last year, The Post’s Dana Milbank revealed that the posh “Trump Hotels” bathrobe and slippers were made in China, and the guest rooms are replete with foreign-made goods. Among the items made overseas, Milbank found towels made in India, china made in Japan, Malaysian-made telephones, and a coffee machine and several lamps, among other things, all made in China.

While Trump has promised steel workers in Rust Belt states that he will restore lost jobs to their economically battered communities, he has built at least two hotels with steel and aluminum from China — the persistent bogeyman of Trump’s campaign speeches in which he decried the decline of American manufacturing. When faced with the evidence of his Chinese steel purchases, though, Trump just plowed ahead, continuing the charade that he is an unemployed steelworker’s best friend.


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