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PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2017 12:33 pm 
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2017 3:50 pm 
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I maintain that I don't think Trump is racist.

If he's not a racist, he's worst. He's someone who, while rejecting racism personally, has exploited, enabled, and even inflamed racism in others.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2017 3:52 pm 
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Have you been doing a Milo Yiannopoulos schtick?

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2017 4:32 pm 
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I maintain that I don't think Trump is racist.

If he's not a racist, he's worst. He's someone who, while rejecting racism personally, has exploited, enabled, and even inflamed racism in others.

Right. And then he condemned them.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2017 5:31 pm 
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Right. And then he condemned them.

Condemned? I'm pretty sure the word you're looking for is pardoned. He pardoned a notorious racist and criminal. The condemning he did of the Neo-Nazis came two days later, and only after the country, his associates and the media weren't going to let him get away with a vague dismissal that equated both sides.

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Right. And then he condemned them.

With a wink and a nod that they very clearly understood.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2017 7:25 am 
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beastie wrote:
...(snip)...has exploited, enabled, and even inflamed racism in others.

CFR - exploited.
CFR - enabled.
CFR - inflamed.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2017 9:27 am 
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subgenius wrote:
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...(snip)...has exploited, enabled, and even inflamed racism in others.

CFR - exploited.
CFR - enabled.
CFR - inflamed.


You can't possibly be this stupid. Oh wait, forgot who I was talking to.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2017 9:51 am 
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beastie wrote:
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I maintain that I don't think Trump is racist.

If he's not a racist, he's worst. He's someone who, while rejecting racism personally, has exploited, enabled, and even inflamed racism in others.

That's exactly the same impression that I have of Trump. I don't think there is any reasonable doubt that he deliberately appealed to and exploited the racism of some overtly racist groups and organizations. I agree that doing that is even worse than being a racist, if he is not actually a racist himself.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2017 9:59 am 
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I have no way of knowing what Drumpf personally feels, but he has a long list of public statements that are racist. SEE http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/don ... 60bf777e83


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2017 10:10 am 
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If he's not a racist, he's worst. He's someone who, while rejecting racism personally, has exploited, enabled, and even inflamed racism in others.

That's exactly the same impression that I have of Trump. I don't think there is any reasonable doubt that he deliberately appealed to and exploited the racism of some overtly racist groups and organizations. I agree that doing that is even worse than being a racist, if he is not actually a racist himself.


Trump is racist, but not as much as your white nationalist/supremacists. His main traits are greed and selfishness. We have seen this trait throughout his life, and people like subby and ajax would have no trouble agreeing before he joined the republican party. For Trump it's really all about him. I don't think he really cares much about the racist wants of people like Ajax, but will say what he needs to keep them sucking at his tit. He knows they are stupid and it's the only core support he will ever have. Just watch the man talk. He cannot help but talk about himself and how great his is over and over again. Being president was never about helping America. It was always about helping himself and his God complex.

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Trump is racist, but not as much as your white nationalist/supremacists. His main traits are greed and selfishness. We have seen this trait throughout his life, and people like subby and ajax would have no trouble agreeing before he joined the republican party. For Trump it's really all about him. I don't think he really cares much about the racist wants of people like Ajax, but will say what he needs to keep them sucking at his tit. He knows they are stupid and it's the only core support he will ever have. Just watch the man talk. He cannot help but talk about himself and how great his is over and over again. Being president was never about helping America. It was always about helping himself and his God complex.

Let's watch you move the goal poasts, hedge your bets, and stuff more straw into the man as you offer an explanation for Trump being awarded the Ellis Island Award.

Truth is, facts are, and reality reveals that there is no actual evidence that Trump is a racist......notwithstanding your imagination

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 9:29 am 
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Alternative Facts. :lol:


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 8:20 am 
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Truth is, facts are, and reality reveals that there is no actual evidence that Trump is a racist......notwithstanding your imagination

If you are right about that (and you well may be), that only makes his ill-disguised attempts to appeal to racists for support all the more deplorable.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 8:23 am 
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Gunnar wrote:
beastie wrote:
If he's not a racist, he's worst. He's someone who, while rejecting racism personally, has exploited, enabled, and even inflamed racism in others.

That's exactly the same impression that I have of Trump. I don't think there is any reasonable doubt that he deliberately appealed to and exploited the racism of some overtly racist groups and organizations. I agree that doing that is even worse than being a racist, if he is not actually a racist himself.


Themis wrote:
Trump is racist, but not as much as your white nationalist/supremacists. His main traits are greed and selfishness. We have seen this trait throughout his life, and people like subby and ajax would have no trouble agreeing before he joined the republican party. For Trump it's really all about him. I don't think he really cares much about the racist wants of people like Ajax, but will say what he needs to keep them sucking at his tit. He knows they are stupid and it's the only core support he will ever have. Just watch the man talk. He cannot help but talk about himself and how great his is over and over again. Being president was never about helping America. It was always about helping himself and his God complex.

I completely agree! I would bet that even subgenius is beginning to realize that, whether he will ever be honest enough to admit that or not. Trump himself makes little effort to hide or disguise that fact, let alone apologize for it!

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What if Nazis were allowed to march, but the media just didn't cover it? Would it be illegal for the media to collectively agree to ignore such marches, and for opponents to collectively agree to leave them alone?

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What if Nazis were allowed to march, but the media just didn't cover it? Would it be illegal for the media to collectively agree to ignore such marches, and for opponents to collectively agree to leave them alone?

Obviously it wouldn't be illegal. I'm not sure it would be helpful as that might just embolden them or cause them to become even more inflammatory to draw in a platform. It's also not feasible.

Pre-Charlottesville, I read about a European town that responds to Nazi marches by sponsoring each marcher with a donation to anti-hate groups. Then as the Nazis march, onlookers cheer them on and hold signs thanking them for all their good charity work. I really liked that idea.

You handle Nazis marching by doing stuff like this.


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...(snip)...has exploited, enabled, and even inflamed racism in others.

CFR - exploited.
CFR - enabled.
CFR - inflamed.


I might remove the word "enabled" however, the rest is undeniable fact.

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What if Nazis were allowed to march, but the media just didn't cover it? Would it be illegal for the media to collectively agree to ignore such marches, and for opponents to collectively agree to leave them alone?


Well, they would've had their little party, no one would've paid them any attention, and then they'd go home and eat some Cheetos.

Wait. Do people really think these guys are German National Socialists? Hrm... I wonder if I were to dress up in Roman centurion attire and spout garbage about Gaul, would that make me an Imperialist Roman? Wait. If I wear a Cowboys jersey and a headset am I part of Jason Garrett's staff?

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What if Nazis were allowed to march, but the media just didn't cover it? Would it be illegal for the media to collectively agree to ignore such marches, and for opponents to collectively agree to leave them alone?


I think the media is free to cover whatever it wishes. As to your last, I think a better counter measure would be to promote one's own cause, not in the sense of "Down with Nazi's" but "Up with...whatever" and grow one's own movement in the process.

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