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 Post subject: Free Speech is White Supremacy
PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2018 3:20 pm 
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Themis are you Rinaldo Walcott IRL?

Professor Rinaldo Walcott of the University of Toronto is arguing that the notion of free speech is a “white supremacist” ideal.

Rinaldo Walcott, the Director of the Women & Gender Studies Institute at the University of Toronto, has long argued that free speech is an ideal designed to uphold “white supremacy.” Walcott’s attitudes towards academic freedom and free speech were highlighted by the activist organization Far Left Watch. In a blog post published this week, the group reported that Walcott would be speaking at a “white privilege” conference at the public Ryerson University in Canada.

In a series of tweets, Walcott argued that free speech and academic freedom are rooted in white supremacy. “Let’s be clear: free speech and academic freedom, both of them, are presently constituted and defended are white supremacist speech. It is clear as day. (And I ain’t down with either of them).”

The Far Left Watch blog post pointed out the irony of Walcott’s position. Even though Walcott believes that universities are hotbeds of white supremacy, he is invited to speak at publicly-funded universities at conferences centered on leftist sociological concepts like “white privilege.”

http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2018/05/1 ... supremacy/

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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2018 5:35 pm 
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Yea, that stupid professor in canada doesn't know anything about "white supremacist ideals"...

He should know to leave those type of proclamations to your typical breitbart reader...they are much more familiar with "white supremacist ideals"

Ideals and core values include:

"1. No racial misceganation
2. No nonwhite immigrants"

"the biggest racial defect/difference in the Negroid race/culture vs. Caucasian race/culture is not intellectual (though its there) but ethical. For some reason Negroes exhibit very low levels of ethical behavior even when isolated amongst themselves. But I think this is treatable"

"we should make a special effort to include nonwhites who strive to emulate white virtues, especially those of mixed race. Association and loyalty are pretty important questions when investigating people of mixed race and how to deal with them."

"a black man can mimic white virtue sufficiently so as to be even a productive member of white society, provided that his defective genes are treated so as not to be passed on."

"Making and selling weaponry (albeit not our best) to the sand ******s could serve two important purposes. We could keep our skills sharp while bringing money into white families and it would help control Jewish and Arab populations."


I applaud your efforts to point out the erroneous beliefs of some random professor in toronto regarding "white supremacist ideals" - I agree, that one guy who said something you don't like probably doesn't have his finger on the pulse of "white supremacist ideals" quite like you and people like you do. When trying to understand "white supremacist ideals", I certainly wouldn't look to a random black guy in toronto but, would instead, check out the posting habits of racist, breitbart reading, stormfront posting, white trash trump supporters like some of the people who post here. Thanks for the (unnecessary) reminder but if I ever have any questions about "white supremacist ideals" I will be sure to come to you before this random professor.

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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2018 7:00 pm 
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As a left leaning individual I am deeply committed to free speech. My initial reaction to this thread was hostility to Mr Walcott. I then read the article linked and got no information but vague and garbled reports that Mr Walcott spoke but no information on what specifically he said and why. I am perfectly able to be hostile to far left ideas, I think they corrupt our politics. However I feel manipulated by the article, it seems intent on spreading anger without understanding.


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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2018 7:47 pm 
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This is Brietbart so take it with a grain of salt. The only single citation from the professor was this:

"“Let’s be clear: free speech and academic freedom, both of them, are presently constituted and defended are white supremacist speech. It is clear as day. (And I ain’t down with either of them).”

ain't?

Doesn't seem legit to me, and Brietbart has an embarrassing history of taking things out of context to push a false narrative.


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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2018 6:13 am 
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well now that schreech and one-eye have attacked the messenger, because they have no real capacity to comprehend what they read, how about looking at the message?
For instance - Let’s be clear: free speech and academic freedom, both of them, are presently constituted and defended are white supremacist speech."
It seems that the professor is being specific with "are presently...", meaning that free speech is not intrinsically white supremacy, but is being exploited by white supremacists. In spite of intolerant people like one-eye trying to censor this concept with "hate speech", (aka speech that Liberals find offensive), we see groups like "white supremacists" using that liberty to speak in a public forum; to counter the incessant noise that intolerant people like schreech spittle forth every day. Free speech does not just apply to people who agree with you....free speech is necessary for a free society to behave freely...to modify a Nugent quote: "free speech is necessary because it allows one to identify who the weirdos are".
This Canadian Professor (oxymoron) is simply following goosestep with his already academic habit of censorship...while his criticism certainly deserves to be heard, it is nothing more than subterfuge.

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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2018 7:19 am 
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Free speech does allow white supremacists to express their thoughts through tiki torch rallies and public discourse. As long as these Neo-Nazis do not go around breaking the windows of shopkeepers in the Jewish quarter, free speech is a good thing and is guaranteed as an American right.

It would still be inaccurate but probably closer to the mark to say that Jack Daniels was white supremacy.

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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2018 7:25 am 
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Substupid goes all in on this one, not surprising. We have one unverified quotation originally posted on some obscure right wing blog that was then relayed to Brietfart.

Substupid is the same guy who regularly reminds us that far more supported comments are just hair fire nonsense over things that haven't been definitively oroven.


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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2018 8:48 am 
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Hawkeye wrote:
This is Brietbart so take it with a grain of salt. The only single citation from the professor was this:

"“Let’s be clear: free speech and academic freedom, both of them, are presently constituted and defended are white supremacist speech. It is clear as day. (And I ain’t down with either of them).”

ain't?

Doesn't seem legit to me, and Brietbart has an embarrassing history of taking things out of context to push a false narrative.

While Brietbart certainly has a penchant for dishonest misrepresentations of things people said or did, it is true that this is a fringe view on the far left. So it's perfectly possible for Brietbart to highlight one person saying it. I imagine it would be particularly important to them to find a minority saying it to reinforce the bad minority stereotype as they are wont to do.

If you soften the claim and say that "free speech" is really just coded language for white supremacy, there's even more people on the left who think that, though it is a fringe view overall. It's possible that's what this person was saying too. That idea is grounded in the reality that white supremacists who don't care much at all about free speech cynically cloak themselves in the language of it to paint criticisms of them or deplatforming as an attack on their free speech. But the idea that "free speech" in its correct sense is entirely or even mostly the domain of white supremacist agitprop is ridiculous and we should be able to say as much.

The question is why is Ajax posting this? Not a single person here is apt to agree that free speech is a lie. And this person, real or not, represents a fringe within a fringe with no meaninful power. I'd suggest the reason is that Ajax is exclusively interested in stereotyping what he thinks are his ideological opponents.

Interestingly, Ajax is an avowed fan of Ann Coulter. She recently argued that Trump should push for an Australian style restriction on speech as a pretext to start imprison ing the media. Is Ajax concerned about that much more serious attack on speech from someone he is an actual fan of? Probably not.

https://mobile.twitter.com/anncoulter/s ... 8424894465

Or, take this story, wherein a black man was illegally jailed for 5 months based on lawfully protected speech after federal law enforcement was tipped off via an *Infowars* video of a BLM protest. That's a legitimately horrifying assualt on speech that goes well beyond a nobody saying something crazy into the void. Is Ajax concerned about that? Don't hold your breath. You see, he is one of those white supremacists who cynically use free speech as a convenient bludgeon.

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2018/ ... rveillance


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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2018 10:27 am 
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Rinaldo Walcott is in dept of Women and gender studies institute at University of Toronto I gather. There has been a brouhaha about free speech with a Jordan Peterson who is a professor at that university. Peterson has attacked the dept of gender studies and suggested it should be boycotted as consisting of ideology instead of studies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wLCmDtCDAM

this link is about free speak and is not to long and laborious.(includes humor)

I have been puzzled as to whether Peterson is overreacting in his campaign against what he sees as far left takeover of some portion of universities.


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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2018 12:53 pm 
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The question is why is Ajax posting this?


When I questioned why BLM was not protesting over the gang violence and black on black crime in Chicago and entirely focused on white on black police homicides, I was told that people are permitted to choose which issues they wanted to fix.

So why am I not permitted that same right in choosing which infringements upon constitutional free speech I point out?

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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2018 1:01 pm 
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The question is why is Ajax posting this?


When I questioned why BLM was not protesting over the gang violence and black on black crime in Chicago and entirely focused on white on black police homicides, I was told that people are permitted to choose which issues they wanted to fix.

So why am I not permitted that same right in choosing which infringements upon constitutional free speech I point out?

What infringement on Constitutional free speech are you pointing out?

You can discuss what you want. That you choose to almost exclusively focus on obscure examples of bad minorities (tm) via Brietbart articles is no coincidence and others are free to comment on it.

Another thing people a free to question is how sincere your free speech concerns are while you fan boy people advocating imprisoning disfavored journalists.


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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2018 1:03 pm 
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ajax18 wrote:
When I questioned why BLM was not protesting over the gang violence and black on black crime in Chicago and entirely focused on white on black police homicides, I was told that people are permitted to choose which issues they wanted to fix.


That's a stupid question that misses the point of BLM. Black on black crime has nothing to do with civil rights violations or institutional racism. This "question" is just your pathetic way of shoe-horning another white supremacist talking point into the discussion while pretending to be genuine is your dumb question. Because everyone who wears a white hood understands that racism cannot exist if black people kill black people too.

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So why am I not permitted that same right in choosing which infringements upon constitutional free speech I point out?


Yeah, like anyone has ever said anything about you not having the right to do something. What you're doing is looking for any obscure straw man you can find to take focus off of the fact that you lose every ____ argument you try to tackle. And now you do so by taking for granted anything and everything your discredited propaganda says. How do you expect anyone to comment, let alone defend, something some Canadian guy allegedly said without context?


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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2018 1:14 pm 
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Christ subfaps, your reading comprehension is on par with your ability to articulate a thought, somewhere between a mentally challenged chimp and a banana, and not a ripe banana.

Its like you don't actually know the meaning of words that anyone, including yourself, uses. I didn't attack the messenger, I literally agreed with ajax that some people believe stupid things, including this professor in Toronto if what was quoted is actually something he said. I then went on to point out that if we really want to know what "white supremacist ideals" are, we should go to an actual white supremacist, like ajax and his fellow clansmen. I know that this sort of basic logic escapes you and you really aren't more than a dimwit who doesn't really have any skill beyond attempting (and I do mean attempting since you don't seem to understand anything you read) to contradict anything anyone here says - essentially a highly trained parrot. The first sentence was the mentally challenged chimp part of your post.

The rest of your post seems to be a unintelligible mishmash of unrelated "thoughts" (? not sure if anything you post could actually be considered a thought) that seem to just be rambling nonsense with a few words from the opening post thrown in. I think a unripe banana might actually be able to articulate its thoughts better than you did in the second half of your post.

Thanks for chiming in though, its always fun seeing seeing you embarrass yourself. You deserve the attention you desperately crave...

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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2018 1:37 pm 
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What infringement on Constitutional free speech are you pointing out?

You can discuss what you want. That you choose to almost exclusively focus on obscure examples of bad minorities (tm) via Brietbart atricles is no coincidence and others are free to comment on it.

Another thing people a free to question is how sincere your free speech concerns are while you fan boy people advocating imprisoning disfavored journalists.


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Ajax, please point out where anyone's right to "Constitutional free speech" was infringed upon. Im not seeing it and what does a Canadian professor have to do with the US Constitution? Your entire post is silly. We get it, you are a racist brietbart reader who goes to that site to strengthen your resentment of anything that run counter to your racist views. This one is weak, even by your insanely low standards.

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That's a stupid question that misses the point of BLM. Black on black crime has nothing to do with civil rights violations or institutional racism. This "question" is just your pathetic way of shoe-horning another white supremacist talking point into the discussion while pretending to be genuine is your dumb question. Because everyone who wears a white hood understands that racism cannot exist if black people kill black people too.


Well duh :), brietbart doesn't actually try to explain to its readers the purpose of the BLM movement, it runs counter to their business model. Enraging the current american "right" (which really doesn't mean much these days). They know their readership is much more interested in finding reasons to dislike minorities and libruls!!!!11 so why try to explain what BLM leaders are actually trying to accomplish. They might actually cause some of their readers to think and reconsider their racist views which run counter to the success of their business.

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Hawkeye wrote:
That's a stupid question that misses the point of BLM. Black on black crime has nothing to do with civil rights violations or institutional racism. This "question" is just your pathetic way of shoe-horning another white supremacist talking point into the discussion while pretending to be genuine is your dumb question. Because everyone who wears a white hood understands that racism cannot exist if black people kill black people too.
It is probably also worth pointing out that the notion that minorities don't push back against crime, particularly in Chicago is completely and totally unfounded.

Here is a nice opinion piece expounding on the distinction you laid out. I don't expect ajax to read it but I imagine some may find it interesting.

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Themis are you Rinaldo Walcott IRL?



Have I said anything remotely close to what you think this person has?

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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2018 8:33 pm 
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I have hunted for bit more of Mr Walcotts actual comments. I have only found relatively limited sample but listening to him discuss the topic of Universities and free speech I do not hear the sort of thought reported by Brietbart. (possible intentional failure to understand and report correctly?)

http://www.cbc.ca/radio/thecurrent/the- ... -1.4427115


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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2018 11:12 pm 
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It is remarkable how every time we think that Bach, Majax and subgenius couldn't possibly post anything more irrational, misinformed or more bigoted than what they just posted, they invariably prove us wrong. They are very much like flat earthers in that respect. It is notable that the most devoutly religious one is, the more likely one is to exhibit this malady. Despite this, however, one cannot honestly deny that some of the greatest examples of compassion, art, architecture and music have been accomplished by deeply religious people.

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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2018 6:45 am 
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Gunnar wrote:
It is remarkable how every time we think that Bach, Majax and subgenius couldn't possibly post anything more irrational, misinformed or more bigoted than what they just posted, they invariably prove us wrong.

They aren't here to discuss anything. They know they aren't persuasive.

They're just disgruntled monkeys here to fling their ____. I only ever read their crap when someone quotes them, just to get the context for the comment.

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