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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 4:00 pm 
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Haiti's problems are a primary consequence of Western exploitation, so it's odd to argue Haitians are the people to stay away from. If you're drawing racial lessons from that, it would be to not deal with Europeans.


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Even if we grant that Haiti is a ____, the fact remains that Trump said he wanted to base his immigration policy on the dominant races of the countries rather than the individual attributes of the immigrants. What could possibly be more racist than that?

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 4:15 pm 
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to be fair, your suggestion here likely creates way more bias than being there as a tourist. I do not consider a missionary's experience to be insightful for any "place" due to their rather limited and myopic exposure.


agreed that a missionary's view probably puts the country in a worse light but I don't think a tourist view of the country is accurate either, or even an expatriate who just lived in the few wealthier areas.


To put into perspective what a ____ Latin America is, the per-person GDP of Chile is just $24,133. That is shockingly low. In fact, it is almost as low as the USA's own ____ of West Virginia, which has a per-person GDP of $23,539. So if you want to know how awful Latin America is, save yourself some travel expenses and visit West Virginia.

Poor, lazy people like that are definitely the type we need to keep out.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 5:15 pm 
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
EAllusion wrote:
Haiti's problems are a primary consequence of Western exploitation, so it's odd to argue Haitians are the people to stay away from. If your drawing racial lessons from that, it would be to not deal with Europeans.


If you were charged for with the official Advisor to Haiti position for, I dunno, the UN or whatever, what would you recommend to get Haiti back on track?

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I'm not proposing anything to fix Haiti. I'm responding to the notion that Haitian immigrants are undesireable because they come from a country that is poor and mismanaged as if that state is the result of the inferiority of the Haitian people.

Haiti is Haiti because of a near unbroken chain of oppression from the Western world. This starts in being a slave-based plantation economy under European rule, moves to harsh trade sanctions against the country by major Western world powers, including the US, after the slaves successfully overthrew their oppressors, continues into Haiti's massive national debt paid over the course of nearly a century in exchange for the French not to invade them, and makes its way even into modern times with the US propping up corrupt autocrats in the nation.

If we're trying to draw racial lessons from this, which I don't recommend, it's not Haitians that look like the inherently corrupt people you want to avoid.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 5:36 pm 
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EAllusion wrote:
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If you were charged for with the official Advisor to Haiti position for, I dunno, the UN or whatever, what would you recommend to get Haiti back on track?

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I'm not proposing anything to fix Haiti. I'm responding to the notion that Haitian immigrants are undesireable because they come from a country that is poor and mismanaged as if that state is the result of the inferiority of the Haitian people.

Haiti is Haiti because of a near unbroken chain of oppression from the Western world. This starts in being a slave-based plantation economy under European rule, moves to harsh trade sanctions against the country by major Western world powers, including the US, after the slaves successfully overthrew their oppressors, continues into Haiti's massive national debt paid over the course of nearly a century in exchange for the French not to invade them, and makes its way even into modern times with the US propping up corrupt autocrats in the nation.

If we're trying to draw racial lessons from this, which I don't recommend, it's not Haitians that look like the inherently corrupt people you want to avoid.


Right. I get it. White people are to blame because racism, politics, and money. What do?

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I think I got a good taste of both of these cultures early on in my life. I know them both pretty well. While far from perfect, I became very grateful at having been born in WV after seeing how people in Latin America lived. I've fought ever since to keep my country from becoming a Latin American country.

President Trump could care less whether foreign leaders are offended by his painfully true comments. His commitment is to the American people not the world.

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Maxine Waters wrote:

President Trump could care less whether foreign leaders are offended by his painfully true comments. His commitment is to the American people not the world.


That's right. The rest of the world be damned.

Sound's like Christianity to me.

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President Trump could care less whether foreign leaders are offended by his painfully true comments. His commitment is to the American people not the world.

Do you think the only people who are offended are foreign leaders? If his 'commitment' is to the American people, are you saying there is no way for the President to object to an immigration policy without referring to other countries as ____? Does he honestly think that no true American would be upset by calling another country a ____?

People justify this language by saying it's 'authentic', like the guys talking at the end of the bar. That's great, if you want our foreign policy decided by the guys at the end of the bar. Donald Trump is authentic? Who frigging cares if he is authentic? I want him to be smart. I want him to go an entire week without embarrassing the half of the country that actually thinks that our standing in the world is something worth cultivating and not destroying,

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For all the bellyaching about the condescension of liberal elitists, the idea that Trump just talks like regular Joe Schmos do is incredibly condescending towards them.

Oh, this vulgar racist who sounds like he might be senile is just how the regular folk talk. *Puts on trucker hat* Isn't that right, you schlubs?


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 11:01 pm 
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To be honest, if someone asked me "Would you ever move to Haiti?", there is a good chance I would say - "Hell no, I'd never move to that ___hole country". I'd say the same thing about almost all of Africa as well.

But to be clear, its the country, government, infrastructure, economy, standard of living, and freedom index that is ___hole, not the people themselves.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 11:42 pm 
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EAllusion wrote:
For all the bellyaching about the condescension of liberal elitists, the idea that Trump just talks like regular Joe Schmos do is incredibly condescending towards them.

Oh, this vulgar racist who sounds like he might be senile is just how the regular folk talk. *Puts on trucker hat* Isn't that right, you schlubs?


You're forgetting something.

Trump has seen Newark.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:47 am 
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Do you think the only people who are offended are foreign leaders? If his 'commitment' is to the American people, are you saying there is no way for the President to object to an immigration policy without referring to other countries as ____?


I kind of agree with Ari Fleischer. I wish the President hadn't used this term. Perhaps he could have just said we can't afford to keep importing more poverty into the country.

MeDotOrg, your side is going to have to compromise or we will start deporting people. If you want the amnesty, we want the wall, electronic surveillance, and everything else we need to enforce the border so we're not doing another mass amnesty in 10 years.

I heard one liberal snowflake on CNN saying that chain migration is an offensive term because it reminds people of slaves being brought to the US in chains. Obviously that wasn't the chain, that chain migration refers to. If the left had their way we wouldn't be allowed to say illegal immigrant without facing jail time. This is partly a backlash against such political correctness. We're not going to allow you to fundamentally transform the US into a socialist state through mass and illegal immigration.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 8:38 am 
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Maxine Waters wrote:
Perhaps he could have just said we can't afford to keep importing more poverty into the country.



The problem with that is that immigrants from African nations are better educated and have better employment numbers than immigrants from Norway (or native born Americans for that matter). As an argument for skills based immigration, it's completely false. But that's not what Trump was saying. What Trump was saying is that Africans make African nations bad, so we shouldn't bring them over here.

The US is, or perhaps was until the election of Trump, a brain drain on poor nations because it provides economic opportunity and the world's best university system.

According to attendees of the meeting not currently having a mysterious case of amnesia, Trump was particularly opposed to Haitians. It wouldn't at all be surprising if his swiss cheese brain is still locked in the early 80's New York panic over AIDS and its association with Homosexuals, Hemophiliacs, and Hatians.


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EAllusion wrote:
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Perhaps he could have just said we can't afford to keep importing more poverty into the country.



The problem with that is that immigrants from African nations are better educated and have better employment numbers than immigrants from Norway (or native born Americans for that matter). As an argument for skills based immigration, it's completely false. But that's not what Trump was saying. What Trump was saying is that Africans make African nations bad, so we shouldn't bring them over here.

The US is, or perhaps was until the election of Trump, a brain drain on poor nations because it provides economic opportunity and the world's best university system.

According to attendees of the meeting not currently having a mysterious case of amnesia, Trump was particularly opposed to Haitians. It wouldn't at all be surprising if his swiss cheese brain is still locked in the early 80's New York panic over AIDS and its association with Homosexuals, Hemophiliacs, and Hatians.


So, basically we're ____ ing over poor countries by taking their best and brightest? We're extending their poverty cycle while harvesting the best for our own selfish interests? Isn't this an argument against taking their talent for our own use?

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:12 am 
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:

So, basically we're ____ ing over poor countries by taking their best and brightest? We're extending their poverty cycle while harvesting the best for our own selfish interests? Isn't this an argument against taking their talent for our own use?

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I think people should be allowed the freedom to reach their potential, but yes, it's not helpful to other nations when some of their best educated decide to leave their country for here. Much in the same way, refugees fleeing madness from governments only weakens the resistance to those governments. But if we respect the dignity of the individual, we accept those yearning to breath free.

Would you prefer the top aptitude test performers in WV were forbidden from leaving the state to help it become less of a ____? Probably not, and the same reasoning as to why is generalizable to immigration policy.


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EAllusion wrote:
Would you prefer the top aptitude test performers in WV were forbidden from leaving the state to help it become less of a ____? Probably not, and the same reasoning as to why is generalizable to immigration policy.


Well, I like WV the way it is. I seriously considered buying a home there since hiking and rafting in WV is so awesome. I don't really care if WV'ians leave or not.

I find it a little disheartening you think stealing poor countries' brain resources is ok. I guess White imperialism never really goes away, does it?

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 11:08 am 
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
EAllusion wrote:
Would you prefer the top aptitude test performers in WV were forbidden from leaving the state to help it become less of a ____? Probably not, and the same reasoning as to why is generalizable to immigration policy.


Well, I like WV the way it is. I seriously considered buying a home there since hiking and rafting in WV is so awesome. I don't really care if WV'ians leave or not.

I find it a little disheartening you think stealing poor countries' brain resources is ok. I guess White imperialism never really goes away, does it?

- Doc


It's no more stealing than a coffee shop offering better coffee is stealing from Starbucks.

Why do you want to harm WV by thinking it is Ok if people of talent want to leave WV? Shouldn't we set up an embargo system to refuse to allow them to go so we can keep talent in WV?

Also, why do you want to keep WV poor?


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 11:13 am 
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EAllusion,

Look. We know you hate the United States as it is. We get that you say you're Libertarian or whatever, but the bottom line is you support virtually every_single_Marxist policy that Democrats propose. If you have a solution other than contrarianism feel free to express it, but this constant hate for White conservatives wears thin when you can't be bothered to offer a better a solution.

I await your inevitable nonsense.

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eta: Sanctuary cities create very expensive and resource-draining problems. I think that's what our Idiot in Chief was probably talking about rather than the brain drain theft we're engaged in.


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I think I got a good taste of both of these cultures early on in my life. I know them both pretty well. While far from perfect, I became very grateful at having been born in WV after seeing how people in Latin America lived. I've fought ever since to keep my country from becoming a Latin American country...


While there are a few Latin America countries that are objectively bigger ____ than West Virginia, most of them are not. But you think you got a good taste of this ____, and according to you, your ____ don't stink.

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