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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 12:49 pm 
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Nahom is archaeological evidence for the Book of Mormon. As one travels south-southeast of Jerusalem along the major trunk of the ancient Arabian, the route branches east toward the southeastern coast at only one point: Nehem. The tribal region Nehem happens to be west of bountiful. How did Joseph Smith get that right? For an ancient Israelite the Arabic word "NHM" looks like the Hebrew nhm which means "mourning". The Book of Mormon uses obvious Israelite wordplay for Nahom in chapter 16. Joseph Smith translated the Book of Mormon in less than 90 days without using any notes, so there is no way it is all a coincidence.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 2:41 pm 
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If you've been to Disneyland, you know that NHM is legit ( aNaHeiM ).

NHM has been found in hundreds of locations in the middle east.

Joseph Smith had from when he started spinning tales about angels until the Book of Mormon was published to work on the book, so roughly 6 years. The 90 days is a non starter.

NHM is evidence for nothing.

A great dismantling of NHM as evidence:
https://www.reddit.com/r/exmormon/comme ... mon_nahom/

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 5:27 pm 
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There is no other NHM region in Arabia that dates before 300 BC. Joseph Smith used a hat for three months to dictate the Book of Mormon by the power of God.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 5:31 pm 
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There is no other NHM region in Arabia that dates before 300 BC. Joseph Smith used a hat for three months to dictate the Book of Mormon by the power of God.


Don't forget he had a magic bit of banded jasper. That permitted attuning his hat (which was actual a quantum receiver) to receive downloads from the Akashic Records. The Book of Mormon is only one of many great spiritual texts that are available this way. Presently the sacred Mormon Palantir is held hostage by bureaucrats who will not permit it to be used as it was intended. It languishes unused because the leadership is without faith and the true power of God.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 8:50 pm 
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It is very impressive that no other NHM tribal region exists in south Arabia


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 10:30 pm 
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There is no NHM region period. The NHM inscription we are discussing is a tribal name, not a place name.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 12:59 pm 
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SteelHead wrote:
There is no NHM region period. The NHM inscription we are discussing is a tribal name, not a place name.


Not only that, one of its promoters is a well known flying saucer advocate who apparently is capable of believing anything. He thinks George Adamski is credible. :lol:

https://www.amazon.com/Mormon-Looks-Ali ... B009KWN89O

Simon Southerton is familiar with him. Aston's a fantasist but he's convinced the TBMs on Meridian and elsewhere.

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The Altar donated to the Temple of the Queen of Sheba by Bi‘athtar, son of Sawad, son of Naw‘an, the Nihmite, reads as follows, "I Bi'athtar certify that this is the place where Lehi and the Nephites stopped on their journey to the Americas. May they bless us with a reference in their Book of Mormon. PS. Any future translator should feel free to spell this location as Nahom".

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2018 9:05 am 
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SteelHead wrote:
There is no NHM region period. The NHM inscription we are discussing is a tribal name, not a place name.


NHM is a tribe, but for Lehi's clan it was a place.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2018 9:13 am 
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peacemaker wrote:
SteelHead wrote:
There is no NHM region period. The NHM inscription we are discussing is a tribal name, not a place name.


NHM is a tribe, but for Lehi's clan it was a place.


Yes according to the story in the Book of Mormon Nahom was a place, but that means you are unwittingly admitting NHM is not evidence of Lehi really existing.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2018 9:43 am 
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Yes according to the story in the Book of Mormon Nahom was a place, but that means you are unwittingly admitting NHM is not evidence of Lehi really existing.


A civilization the size of Rome, with extensive industries, written records, horses, livestock, temples, wheeled transportation...all vanished. But there's an enscription in Arabia that an amateur found and there's a wordprint study that no one but a Mormon accepts. So there. :lol:

Oh, and I understand the "nature of revelation". It's called making things up. :wink:

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2018 10:14 am 
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peacemaker wrote:
SteelHead wrote:
There is no NHM region period. The NHM inscription we are discussing is a tribal name, not a place name.


NHM is a tribe, but for Lehi's clan it was a place.

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Yes according to the story in the Book of Mormon Nahom was a place, but that means you are unwittingly admitting NHM is not evidence of Lehi really existing.

It's like arguing that a billboard advertising a Laker's game is evidence that there must have been a lake near the stadium at some point.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2018 10:23 am 
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It's like arguing that a billboard advertising a Laker's game is evidence that there must have been a lake near the stadium at some point.


It is worse than that. This argument is analogous to saying that since
"BigBubbs" the graffiti artist sprayed his tag on a rock, now means that the place name for the area surrounding the rock is BigBubbsville.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2018 10:30 am 
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SteelHead wrote:
Lemmie wrote:
It's like arguing that a billboard advertising a Laker's game is evidence that there must have been a lake near the stadium at some point.


It is worse than that. This argument is analogous to saying that since
"BigBubbs" the graffiti artist sprayed his tag on a rock, now means that the place name for the area surrounding the rock is BigBubbsville.

:lol: :lol: That's awesome; I concede!!


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SteelHead wrote:
Lemmie wrote:
It's like arguing that a billboard advertising a Laker's game is evidence that there must have been a lake near the stadium at some point.


It is worse than that. This argument is analogous to saying that since
"BigBubbs" the graffiti artist sprayed his tag on a rock, now means that the place name for the area surrounding the rock is BigBubbsville.


But what if that's what the Still Small Voice told you to do? :eek: If it can tell you to decapitate drunk dudes and murder 9 year old girls at Mountain Meadows, all bets are off.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2018 1:17 pm 
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SteelHead wrote:
Lemmie wrote:
It's like arguing that a billboard advertising a Laker's game is evidence that there must have been a lake near the stadium at some point.


It is worse than that. This argument is analogous to saying that since
"BigBubbs" the graffiti artist sprayed his tag on a rock, now means that the place name for the area surrounding the rock is BigBubbsville.

Maks wrote:
But what if that's what the Still Small Voice told you to do? :eek: If it can tell you to decapitate drunk dudes and murder 9 year old girls at Mountain Meadows, all bets are off.

Ah, but opening post made the mistake of titling this thread with the caveat that facts trump feelings (a rookie mistake, I know. How will mg engage?!) The still small voice is de facto quashed by the loud big facts!


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2018 2:30 pm 
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Saying that reference to NHM in the Book of Mormon is incontrovertible evidence for its truthfulness because NHM exists is about as meaningful as saying that reference to the Great Waters in the Book of Mormon is evidence for its truthfulness because great waters exist.

Fact is that the narrative that follows mention of NHM in the Book of Mormon, in all its facets, has been proven utterly false beyond any shadow of a doubt.

In any number of posts on this board, I and others have described the scientific literature demonstrating that nowhere along the coastlines of Yemen, Oman, or Fujairah, is there any place, now or in the ancient past, that would have provided the raw materials needed to build the blue water oceangoing vessels as described in the Book of Mormon.

Having lived and worked in the Abu Dhabi and Muscat, I have driven and hiked the wadis along pretty much the entire coast in question, through Duqm and down to Salalah. The Book of Mormon narrative regarding Bountiful, and what was supposed to have transpired there in ancient times, is a joke.

Reading the science that shows it is a joke is one thing. However, nothing beats walking the land and seeing how big of a joke it really is.

Just another example of facts, this time from science and natural history, that don't care about unfounded beliefs and the feelings they engender.

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