Mormons are into the OCCULT

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The LDS prophet really was central during Smith & Young's time, but not really since. Now it's government by a group. It could change if a younger, more dynamic apostle rose up I suppose. It's left the creative phase and is in the administrative (coughwhitedsepulchre) phase. :wink:
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Here is a fun quote, but it might fit better under the heading of Mormon Astronomy.

In Doctrine of Salvation Vol. 1 page 88-89 Joseph Fielding Smith said under Earth to be Celestial Sun, "It is my opinion that the great stars that we see, including our sun, are celestial worlds; at least worlds that have passed on to their exaltation or other final resurrected status. This is in conflict, of course, with the teachings of scientific men, who declare that the sun is losing its energy and gradually cooling off and will eventually be a dead world... And this world, so benighted at present, and so esteemed by infidels, as observed by Brother Clements, when it becomes celestialized, it will be like the sun, and be prepared for the habitation of the saints, and be brought back into the presence of the Father and the son."

Take that so-called "Laws of Thermodynamics" and "Law of Conservation of Matter" for we are talking about the LDS doctrine of Celestialized Worlds that have been properly baptized (great flood) tithed (harvesting of resources), and anointed with oil (Exxon Valdez).
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moksha wrote: and anointed with oil (Exxon Valdez).
this time i've decoded your message at once;

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Mittens wrote:Don't Mormons teach animal sacrifice after Jesus's sacrifice ?

Don't Christians believe in symbolically cannibalizing Jesus?
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Great find Moksha!

Joseph Fielding Smith
In Doctrine of Salvation Vol. 1 page 88-89 Joseph Fielding Smith said under Earth to be Celestial Sun, "It is my opinion that the great stars that we see, including our sun, are celestial worlds; at least worlds that have passed on to their exaltation or other final resurrected status. This is in conflict, of course, with the teachings of scientific men, who declare that the sun is losing its energy and gradually cooling off and will eventually be a dead world... And this world, so benighted at present, and so esteemed by infidels, as observed by Brother Clements, when it becomes celestialized, it will be like the sun, and be prepared for the habitation of the saints, and be brought back into the presence of the Father and the son."


This is confirmation that if a religious man, such as Joseph Smith, simply proclaims something, others will believe it, regardless of what evidence there is. The gullibility of man when it comes to someone in authority or citing an authority is pretty spooky if the subject changes, say, from something harmless such as which world is the celestial one, to, human sacrifice is back, and that means your own kids are in danger.

Mormonism's leadership understanding of science is so stupidly backwards (or was?) that it seems to be to simply have to reflect on their understanding of God. Just what can or do they actually know about either? And hence justified doubts raise up in the breasts of man. It's not that the world is wicked, it's that they don't simply assent when assertions are made, thus even Mormon judgments about what wickedness is may be malnutritioning the human spirit instead of sustaining it.
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Philo Sofee wrote:Great find Moksha!

This discourse is a good reason why religious people should be wary when religious leaders put forth speculations which they know to be contrary to science. It is also an example to religious leaders of why they should not make too outlandish of religious speculations.

For the most part, Mormons agree with the idea that God follows the rules of the known universe, although some will engage in magical thinking when it helps to make the allegory seem literal.
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moksha wrote:Here is a fun quote, but it might fit better under the heading of Mormon Astronomy.

In Doctrine of Salvation Vol. 1 page 88-89 Joseph Fielding Smith said under Earth to be Celestial Sun, "It is my opinion that the great stars that we see, including our sun, are celestial worlds; at least worlds that have passed on to their exaltation or other final resurrected status. This is in conflict, of course, with the teachings of scientific men, who declare that the sun is losing its energy and gradually cooling off and will eventually be a dead world... And this world, so benighted at present, and so esteemed by infidels, as observed by Brother Clements, when it becomes celestialized, it will be like the sun, and be prepared for the habitation of the saints, and be brought back into the presence of the Father and the son."

Take that so-called "Laws of Thermodynamics" and "Law of Conservation of Matter" for we are talking about the LDS doctrine of Celestialized Worlds that have been properly baptized (great flood) tithed (harvesting of resources), and anointed with oil (Exxon Valdez).


Since this is the dude who said we'd never land on the Moon, we can dismiss his ravings as pretentious and pious brain farts. In fact, I can probably say with confidence that Joseph Fielding Smith was probably one of the most proudly scientifically illiterate douchebags to blat and bleat latterday prophetic nonsense. He couldn't even come up with his own creationist hokum but had to steal it from the Seventh Day Adventists. An entitled product of the Mormon aristocracy and an embarrassment as a 20th century American. And of course he was the Godfatherinlaw to that Moron Doctrine theobully Bruce. :wink:
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Maksutov wrote:that Moron Doctrine theobully Bruce.

Theobully Bruce........ :lol: LOVE IT!
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Mittens wrote:Duane S Crowther in his book Life Everlasting page 151

Teaches standard Mormon belief when he says that “good” spirits return to the earth and converse with Mormons to

1. Give counsel
2. Give confort
3. Obtain and give information
4. Serve as guardian angels
5. Prepare others for death
6. Summon mortals into the spirit world
7. Escort the dying through the veil of death

Deuteronomy 18
9 “When you come into the land which the Lord your God is giving you, you shall not learn to follow the abominations of those nations. 10 There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, or one who practices witchcraft, or a soothsayer, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer, 11 or one who conjures spells, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead. 12For all who do these things are an abomination to the Lord, and because of these abominations the Lord your God drives them out from before you. 13 You shall be blameless before the Lord your God. 14 For these nations which you will dispossess listened to soothsayers and diviners; but as for you, the Lord your God has not appointed such for you.

15 “The Lord your God will raise up for you a Prophet like me from your midst, from your brethren. Him you shall hear, 16 according to all you desired of the Lord your God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, ‘Let me not hear again the voice of the Lord my God, nor let me see this great fire anymore, lest I die.’

17 “And the Lord said to me: ‘What they have spoken is good. 18 I will raise up for them a Prophet like you from among their brethren, and will put My words in His mouth, and He shall speak to them all that I command Him. 19 And it shall be that whoever will not hear My words, which He speaks in My name, I will require it of him. 20 But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in My name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die.’ 21 And if you say in your heart, ‘How shall we know the word which the Lord has not spoken?’— 22 when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the thing does not happen or come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him.


Well, the early Christians must not have interpreted those verses from Deuteronomy the same way you do, because they believed that good spirits can return to Earth at times to do the same things that Crowther talks about. For example, Justin Martyr stated that some dreams are sent to us by spirits. Numerous Christians through the ages have given accounts of having been visited by deceased relatives and others.
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mikegriffith1 wrote:
Mittens wrote:Duane S Crowther in his book Life Everlasting page 151

Teaches standard Mormon belief when he says that “good” spirits return to the earth and converse with Mormons to

1. Give counsel
2. Give confort
3. Obtain and give information
4. Serve as guardian angels
5. Prepare others for death
6. Summon mortals into the spirit world
7. Escort the dying through the veil of death

Deuteronomy 18
9 “When you come into the land which the Lord your God is giving you, you shall not learn to follow the abominations of those nations. 10 There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, or one who practices witchcraft, or a soothsayer, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer, 11 or one who conjures spells, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead. 12For all who do these things are an abomination to the Lord, and because of these abominations the Lord your God drives them out from before you. 13 You shall be blameless before the Lord your God. 14 For these nations which you will dispossess listened to soothsayers and diviners; but as for you, the Lord your God has not appointed such for you.

15 “The Lord your God will raise up for you a Prophet like me from your midst, from your brethren. Him you shall hear, 16 according to all you desired of the Lord your God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, ‘Let me not hear again the voice of the Lord my God, nor let me see this great fire anymore, lest I die.’

17 “And the Lord said to me: ‘What they have spoken is good. 18 I will raise up for them a Prophet like you from among their brethren, and will put My words in His mouth, and He shall speak to them all that I command Him. 19 And it shall be that whoever will not hear My words, which He speaks in My name, I will require it of him. 20 But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in My name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die.’ 21 And if you say in your heart, ‘How shall we know the word which the Lord has not spoken?’— 22 when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the thing does not happen or come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him.


Well, the early Christians must not have interpreted those verses from Deuteronomy the same way you do, because they believed that good spirits can return to Earth at times to do the same things that Crowther talks about. For example, Justin Martyr stated that some dreams are sent to us by spirits. Numerous Christians through the ages have given accounts of having been visited by deceased relatives and others.


Yep, Deuteronomy explicitly condemns necromancy--you know, what Mormons do when they're baptizing the dead, Joseph Smith talking to Moroni, Smith's spirit guardians he used in money digging, magic talismans and daggers. Quite the trickster, no wonder he kept getting in trouble with the law. Some Christians suspect Smith was a secret Satanist. You can see why. :wink:
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