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Concerning this record the Prophet Joseph Smith said: “I told the brethren that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding by its precepts, than by any other book.”


"I have always declared God to be a distinct personage, Jesus Christ a separate and distinct personage from God the Father, and the Holy Ghost was a distinct personage and a Spirit: and these three constitute three distinct personages and three Gods," (Teachings of Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 370)

The Godhead consists of the three distinct personages and three gods.. The Father Son and Holy Spirit. The Father and Son have bodies of flesh and bones, while the Holy Spirit is a personage of spirit. Robert Millet A Different Jesus page 198

The trinity is three separate Gods: The Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. "That these three are separate individuals, physically distinct from each other, is demonstrated by the accepted records of divine dealings with man," (Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 35).

Doctrine and Covenants section 121:
32 According to that which was ordained in the midst of the Council of the Eternal God of all other gods before this world was, that should be reserved unto the finishing and the end thereof, when every man shall enter into his eternal presence and into his immortal rest.

Doctrine and Covenants section 132:
20 Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from everlasting to everlasting, because they continue; then shall they be above all, because all things are subject unto them. Then shall they be gods, because they have all power, and the angels are subject unto them.

37 Abraham received concubines, and they bore him children; and it was accounted unto him for righteousness, because they were given unto him, and he abode in my law; as Isaac also and Jacob did none other things than that which they were commanded; and because they did none other things than that which they were commanded, they have entered into their exaltation, according to the promises, and sit upon thrones, and are not angels but are gods.


What’s interesting The Book of Mormon teaches the opposite about the Godhead, rather than three gods and a plurality of gods it teaches only ONE GOD in the Godhead. Even the President of Mormonism commented that the paramount and fullness of the Gospel found in the Book of Mormonism is the ONE GOD of the Trinity.


in Answers to Gospel Questions Vol. 3 pp 98-99 under Counsel given by President Charles W. Penrose

Now, some of our brethren have taken up quite a discussion as to the fulness of the everlasting gospel. We are told that the Book of Mormon contains the fulness of the gospel, that those who like to get up a dispute, say that the Book of Mormon does not contain any reference to the work of salvation for the dead, and that there are many other things pertaining to the gospel that are not developed in that book, and yet we are told that the book contains "the fulness of the everlasting gospel." well what is the fulnesspel? You read carefully the revelation in regard to the three glories, section 76, in the Doctrine and Covanants, and you find there defined what the gospel is, There God the Eternal Father, and Jesus Christ, his son, and the Holy Ghost, are held up as the three persons in the Trinity-the one God the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost, all three being one God. When people believe in that doctrine and obey the ordinances which are spoken of in the same list of principals, you get the fulness of the gospel for this reason:

General Conference Report, April 1922, pp 27-28.

2 Nephi 31:
21 And now, behold, my beloved brethren, this is the way; and there is none other way nor name given under heaven whereby man can be saved in the kingdom of God. And now, behold, this is the doctrine of Christ, and the only and true doctrine of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, which is one God, without end. Amen.

Alma 11:
44 Now, this restoration shall come to all, both old and young, both bond and free, both male and female, both the wicked and the righteous; and even there shall not so much as a hair of their heads be lost; but everything shall be restored to its perfect frame, as it is now, or in the body, and shall be brought and be arraigned before the bar of Christ the Son, and God the Father, and the Holy Spirit, which is one Eternal God, to be judged according to their works, whether they be good or whether they be evil.


Mormon 7:
7 And he hath brought to pass the redemption of the world, whereby he that is found guiltless before him at the judgment day hath it given unto him to dwell in the presence of God in his kingdom, to sing ceaseless praises with the choirs above, unto the Father, and unto the Son, and unto the Holy Ghost, which are one God, in a state of happiness which hath no end.

The Testimony of Three Witnesses
And the honor be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Ghost, which is one God. Amen.
Oliver Cowdery
David Whitmer
Martin Harris

1 Nephi 13: 41 And they must come according to the words which shall be established by the mouth of the Lamb; and the words of the Lamb shall be made known in the records of thy seed, as well as in the records of the twelve apostles of the Lamb; wherefore they both shall be established in one; for there is one God and one Shepherd over all the earth.

Notice the Book of Mormon completely agrees with The Creeds and The Trinity, and teaches three separate persons in the nature of The ONE GOD or GODHEAD

Trinity
first used by Theophilus (A.D. 168 A.D. - 183 A.D.), or from the Lat. trinitas, first used by Tertullian (A.D. 220 A.D.), to express this doctrine. The propositions involved in the doctrine are these: 1. That God is one, and that there is but one God (Deut 6:4; 1 Kings 8:60; Isa 44:6; Mark 12:29,32; John 10:30). 2. That the Father is a distinct divine Person (hypostasis, subsistentia, persona, suppositum intellectuale), distinct from the Son and the Holy Spirit. 3. That Jesus Christ was truly God, and yet was a Person distinct from the Father and the Holy Spirit. 4. That the Holy Spirit is also a distinct divine Person.

(from Easton's Bible Dictionary, PC Study Bible formatted electronic database Copyright © 2003, 2006 Biblesoft, Inc. All rights reserved.)

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One being. Three persons. In other words, one "what" and three "who"s. There is one being, God. There are three persons: God the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. The distinction is between being and person. One being, three persons. One what, three who's.



John Ankerberg [Everything You Ever Wanted to know about Mormonism]

Page 104-105

1. There is Only One God

2. The Father is God;

3. Jesus Christ, the Son, is God

4. The Holy Spirit is a Person, is eternal and is therefore God

5. The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are distinct persons.

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Mormon 7:
7 And he hath brought to pass the redemption of the world, whereby he that is found guiltless before him at the judgment day hath it given unto him to dwell in the presence of God in his kingdom, to sing ceaseless praises with the choirs above, unto the Father, and unto the Son, and unto the Holy Ghost, which are one God, in a state of happiness which hath no end.


And Both the Printer's manuscript and the 1830 edition of the Book of Mormon instead reads, “. . . which is one God.”
Here is Mormon 7:7 from the 1830 edition of the Book of Mormon:

And he hath brought to pass the redemption of the world, whereby he that is found guiltless before him at the judgment day, hath it given unto them to dwell in the presence of God in his kingdom, to sing ceaseless praises with the choirs above, unto the Father, and unto the Son, and unto the Holy Ghost, which is one God, in a state of happiness which hath no end.

http://solomonspalding.com/SRP/MEDIA/bm.htm#518b

http://josephsmithpapers.org/paperSumma ... 1830?p=537


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It was a man made invention just like the bible.

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The Biblical Teaching of The Godhead or Trinity
Christians believe the Bible teaches that the One True God exists eternally in three separate Persons. The doctrine of the Trinity can be seen from five simple statements found in the Bible.

1. There is only ONE TRUE GOD: “For there is One God and One mediator between God and men “ ( 1 Timothy 2:5, cf. Dueteronomy 4:35,6:4; Isaiah 43:10)

2. The Father is God: ( 1 Corthinatians 8:6; cf. John 17:1-3; 2 Corithians 1:3; Philippians 2:111; Colossians 1:3; 1 Peter 1:2 ).

3. Jesus Christ, the Son, is God: “ … but he [Jesus] was even God his own Father, making himself equal with God” (John 5:18). “… While we wait for the blessed hope---the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ” (Titus 2:13; cf. John 20:28; John 1:1; Romans 9:5; 2 Peter 1:1)

4. The Holy Spirit is a Person, is eternal, and is therefore God. The Holy Spirit is a Person : “But when he, the Spirit of Truth, comes he will guide you into all Truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come” (John 16:13). The Holy Spirit is eternal: “How much more then, will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal spirit offered himself unblemished to God, cleanse our conscience …” (Hebrews 9:14). The Holy Spirit is therefore God: “Then Peter said, Anannias, how is it that Satan has filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit…You have not lied to men but to God” Acts 5:3-4

5. The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are distinct Persons” Therefore go and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit” (Matthew28:19) May the Grace of The Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the holy Spirit be with you all” (2 Corinthians 13:14).

Page 104-105 Everything You Ever wanted to know about Mormonism Ankerberg-Weldon


Trinity
first used by Theophilus (A.D. 168 A.D. - 183 A.D.), or from the Lat. trinitas, first used by Tertullian (A.D. 220 A.D.), to express this doctrine. The propositions involved in the doctrine are these: 1. That God is one, and that there is but one God (Deut 6:4; 1 Kings 8:60; Isa 44:6; Mark 12:29,32; John 10:30). 2. That the Father is a distinct divine Person (hypostasis, subsistentia, persona, suppositum intellectuale), distinct from the Son and the Holy Spirit. 3. That Jesus Christ was truly God, and yet was a Person distinct from the Father and the Holy Spirit. 4. That the Holy Spirit is also a distinct divine Person.

(from Easton's Bible Dictionary, PC Study Bible formatted electronic database Copyright © 2003, 2006 Biblesoft, Inc. All rights reserved.)
Homoousios -God- Godhead- Substance- Essence- Being –Nature [ all Synonyms ]

One being. Three persons. In other words, one "what" and three "who"s. There is one being, God. There are three persons: God the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. The distinction is between being and person. One being, three persons. One what, three who's.

All the Persons of the Holy Trinity are IDENTICAL IN ESSENCE but DISTINCT IN PERSONS

John Ankerberg [Everything You Ever Wanted to know about Mormonism]
Page 104-105
1. There is Only One God
2. The Father is God;
3. Jesus Christ, the Son, is God
4. The Holy Spirit is a Person, is eternal and is therefore God
5. The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are distinct persons.


E. Calvin Beisner
God in Three Persons
The Christian Church throughout history has found in order to remain faithful to the teachings of the New Testament regarding the person and work of Christ, it had to affirm at least the following doctrines:
The doctrine of the Trinity----that in the nature of the One True God, there are three distinct persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, each fully God, Coequal and Coeternal

When we have said these three things, then—that there is but one God, that the Father and the Son and the Spirit is each a distinct person—we have enunciated the doctrine of the Trinity in its completeness.


We may condense this into a somewhat shorter statement, one which is more precise: In the nature of the God, there are three distinct persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit ( or substance ) of the one true God, there are three distinct persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit p 24


“The Nicene Creed, then, with centuries of theological discussion and controversy behind it, still teaches of the Trinity as the New Testament does: that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, while distinct from each other personally, are the same God” p 153

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Why does it include a French phrase no older than the Middle Ages, "Adieu"?

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Neither Trinity nor its cognates is found in the Bible. Godhead is.

Because the Book of Mormon is a translation. Translators use words they are familiar with.


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Neither Trinity nor its cognates is found in the Bible. Godhead is.

Because the Book of Mormon is a translation. Translators use words they are familiar with.


There's no evidence that it was a translation. It has all the appearance of a channeled text that was called "translated". Without the original, we have only Smith's word that it's a translation. If it's anything like the Book of Abraham "translation", it's completely invented/channeled, not translated. Inspired fiction is still fiction. It's okay if people are paying their tithing with Monopoly money. We can all play the pretend game. :wink:

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Neither Trinity nor its cognates is found in the Bible. Godhead is.

Because the Book of Mormon is a translation. Translators use words they are familiar with.
The Godhead is the Trinity. Having a Godhead infers a group/more than one being. Translators do not commonly translate in Olde English unless they were Elizabethan.


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Maksutov wrote:
The CCC wrote:
Neither Trinity nor its cognates is found in the Bible. Godhead is.

Because the Book of Mormon is a translation. Translators use words they are familiar with.


There's no evidence that it was a translation. It has all the appearance of a channeled text that was called "translated". Without the original, we have only Smith's word that it's a translation. If it's anything like the Book of Abraham "translation", it's completely invented/channeled, not translated. Inspired fiction is still fiction. It's okay if people are paying their tithing with Monopoly money. We can all play the pretend game. :wink:


President Charles W. Penrose, disagrees with you :lol:



Answers to Gospel Questions Vol. 3 pp 98-99 under Counsel given by President Charles W. Penrose

Now, some of our brethren have taken up quite a discussion as to the fulness of the everlasting gospel. We are told that the Book of Mormon contains the fulness of the gospel, that those who like to get up a dispute, say that the Book of Mormon does not contain any reference to the work of salvation for the dead, and that there are many other things pertaining to the gospel that are not developed in that book, and yet we are told that the book contains "the fulness of the everlasting gospel." well what is the fulnesspel? You read carefully the revelation in regard to the three glories, section 76, in the Doctrine and Covanants, and you find there defined what the gospel is, There God the Eternal Father, and Jesus Christ, his son, and the Holy Ghost, are held up as the three persons in the Trinity-the one God the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost, all three being one God. When people believe in that doctrine and obey the ordinances which are spoken of in the same list of principals, you get the fulness of the gospel for this reason:

General Conference Report, April 1922, pp 27-28.

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Because is us 19th century modern pseudopigripha.

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Because is us 19th century modern pseudopigripha.


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What’s interesting The Book of Mormon teaches the opposite about the Godhead, rather than three gods and a plurality of gods it teaches only ONE GOD in the Godhead. Even the President of Mormonism commented that the paramount and fullness of the Gospel found in the Book of Mormonism is the ONE GOD of the Trinity.

In what sense is God ONE? And what is the definition of “GOD”? Even the Bible is inconsistent on this; however, I believe that Joseph Smith brilliantly clarified who God is and how He relates to the human race.

For example, Isaiah writes:

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Isaiah 44
6 Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.
8 ... Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.


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Isaiah 45
5 I am the Lord, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the Lord, and there is none else.

This language is pretty specific and creates a major problem for Christians. For example, who is speaking? YHVH, the God of Israel? The one we later call Jesus Christ? If taken literally, where, we ask, is the Father? Where is the Holy Spirit? Are they being thrown under the bus in the name of monotheism?

In Genesis 1, Moses tells us that the GODS (Elohim) created the heavens and the earth, and they created MAN in their image, “male and female.”

“MAN has become as one of us,” we're told. This appears to be an outright contradiction with what God said through Isaiah. Or did these GODS die, leaving only ONE? Yet Evangelicals toss the Isaiah passages at us, accusing us of being polytheists! They fail to see that the Isaiah passages present the same problems to them as they do for latter-day saints.

Yet in context they present no problem at all.

When Jesus prayed to the Father concerning the Twelve, he said, “...that THEY may be ONE, even as WE are ONE”:

Quote:
John 17
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

This passage tells us that the term “ONE” is esoteric in nature. When Jesus prayed to the Father, it was an interaction between one GOD to another. In Psalms 110, we read: “The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.” This was interpreted by Matthew as the Father speaking to the Son (David's Lord):

Quote:
Matthew 22
41 While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them,
42 Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The son of David.
43 He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying,
44 The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?
45 If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?

When the Lord speaks to Isaiah, we must take his comments pertaining to the oneness of God as being one in purpose. In Mormon doctrine, all saints who gain eternal life and become like God and joint heirs with Christ become partakers of that oneness. We become ONE with him, and we are in him, and he is in us. Thus, when God speaks of His oneness in Isaiah 44 and 45, we see that His oneness does not preclude those who join and partake in that oneness. Again, please note: “they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.”

Thus, the God of Joseph Smith is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Israel, and, also, the God of Lehi, Nephi and the rest of the Book of Mormon prophets. And though be Lords many and gods many, to us there is ONE God.


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The Book of Mormon also teaches penal substitution atonement, a doctrine that didn't really get off the ground until the 11th century AD.


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The Book of Mormon also teaches penal substitution atonement, a doctrine that didn't really get off the ground until the 11th century AD.


Also it teaches the general resurrection - that would post-date Lehi by many centuries. Daniel was written 150 years or so before the birth of Jesus, and that starts off talking about the resurrection of deserving Jewish martyrs, and it evolves from there.


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What’s interesting The Book of Mormon teaches the opposite about the Godhead, rather than three gods and a plurality of gods it teaches only ONE GOD in the Godhead. Even the President of Mormonism commented that the paramount and fullness of the Gospel found in the Book of Mormonism is the ONE GOD of the Trinity.

In what sense is God ONE? And what is the definition of “GOD”? Even the Bible is inconsistent on this; however, I believe that Joseph Smith brilliantly clarified who God is and how He relates to the human race.

For example, Isaiah writes:

Quote:
Isaiah 44
6 Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.
8 ... Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.


Quote:
Isaiah 45
5 I am the Lord, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the Lord, and there is none else.

This language is pretty specific and creates a major problem for Christians. For example, who is speaking? YHVH, the God of Israel? The one we later call Jesus Christ? If taken literally, where, we ask, is the Father? Where is the Holy Spirit? Are they being thrown under the bus in the name of monotheism?

In Genesis 1, Moses tells us that the GODS (Elohim) created the heavens and the earth, and they created MAN in their image, “male and female.”

“MAN has become as one of us,” we're told. This appears to be an outright contradiction with what God said through Isaiah. Or did these GODS die, leaving only ONE? Yet Evangelicals toss the Isaiah passages at us, accusing us of being polytheists! They fail to see that the Isaiah passages present the same problems to them as they do for latter-day saints.

Yet in context they present no problem at all.

When Jesus prayed to the Father concerning the Twelve, he said, “...that THEY may be ONE, even as WE are ONE”:

Quote:
John 17
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

This passage tells us that the term “ONE” is esoteric in nature. When Jesus prayed to the Father, it was an interaction between one GOD to another. In Psalms 110, we read: “The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.” This was interpreted by Matthew as the Father speaking to the Son (David's Lord):

Quote:
Matthew 22
41 While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them,
42 Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The son of David.
43 He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying,
44 The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?
45 If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?

When the Lord speaks to Isaiah, we must take his comments pertaining to the oneness of God as being one in purpose. In Mormon doctrine, all saints who gain eternal life and become like God and joint heirs with Christ become partakers of that oneness. We become ONE with him, and we are in him, and he is in us. Thus, when God speaks of His oneness in Isaiah 44 and 45, we see that His oneness does not preclude those who join and partake in that oneness. Again, please note: “they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.”

Thus, the God of Joseph Smith is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Israel, and, also, the God of Lehi, Nephi and the rest of the Book of Mormon prophets. And though be Lords many and gods many, to us there is ONE God.



Here in Isaiah we have all three members of the Godhead

Isaiah 48:

16 “Come near to Me, hear this:

I have not spoken in secret from the beginning;

From the time that it was, I was there.

And now the Lord GOD and His Spirit

Have sent Me.”

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1. (n.) The union of three persons (the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost) in one Godhead, so that all the three are one God as to substance, but three persons as to individuality.

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 Post subject: Re: Why does The Book of Mormon teach 4th and 5th century Cr
PostPosted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 12:09 pm 
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Exiled wrote:
It was a man made invention just like the bible.

Yes, and it was largely based on the bible - and the New Testament is considered to be written/collected/cherry picked around 5th century.

But who cares? Star wars has some ridiculous ideas but still has some truths. History, science, and religion each have their own unique specific perspectives and lessons to teach. I don’t look in the scriptures for history or science - but for spirituality parables and symbols to “liken to” my life.


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 Post subject: Re: Why does The Book of Mormon teach 4th and 5th century Cr
PostPosted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 12:23 pm 
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Amore wrote:
Exiled wrote:
It was a man made invention just like the bible.

Yes, and it was largely based on the bible - and the New Testament is considered to be written/collected/cherry picked around 5th century.

But who cares? Star wars has some ridiculous ideas but still has some truths. History, science, and religion each have their own unique specific perspectives and lessons to teach. I don’t look in the scriptures for history or science - but for spirituality parables and symbols to “liken to” my life.


I am not even close to believing this.It was written first century and collected in the following couple. It was selected by the church from church documents and excluded other documents from other groups.

I realize some scholars consider early second century for composition for a few late pieces of the New Testament but that is many years before 5thcentury.


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Hi Huckelberry,
I’m referring to biblical canon being gathered... “The Apostles did not otherwise leave a defined set of new scriptures; instead, the New Testament developed over time.” The following link explains canon related events from 1st century to 600’s and mentions changes with Martin Luther in 1500’s. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_canon

The more important point is that all of these writings have been through a lot & have been written, cherry-picked, edited, translated and changed by many fallible people. As with anything, I try to take the best and leave the rest.


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Amore (oh-oh, Volare...), that was an interesting read. Neat to find out that the commandment to be monogamous only appears in the Samaritan version of the Pentateuch. Perhaps that was from the Samaritans not having to accommodate the behavior of profligate kings.

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