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 Post subject: Re: Mormons seem confused who to WORSHIP
PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2018 3:13 pm 
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No, I mean let go of the idea that Mormon's worship their leaders. We don't.


Many religious people including LDS do have worship like tendencies towards their leaders. It's one of the reasons so many religious leaders can, if they want to, get sexual access to some members or just get their money. :wink:

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2018 4:00 pm 
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pogi wrote:
No, I mean let go of the idea that Mormon's worship their leaders. We don't.


Many religious people including LDS do have worship like tendencies towards their leaders. It's one of the reasons so many religious leaders can, if they want to, get sexual access to some members or just get their money. :wink:


Why do you limit these tendencies to just religious people? Celebrity "worship" is just as common among the more secular in society. Just watch the old Beatles concerts :wink:

Yes, sex is rampant among the general authorities...they are regular Mick Jagger's!
I have no idea what you are talking about with money. Are you talking about tithing? or something else?


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 Post subject: Re: Mormons seem confused who to WORSHIP
PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2018 4:36 pm 
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pogi wrote:
Why do you limit these tendencies to just religious people? Celebrity "worship" is just as common among the more secular in society. Just watch the old Beatles concerts :wink:


Nothing in my post suggested it was just limited to religious people or religious leaders.

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Yes, sex is rampant among the general authorities...they are regular Mick Jagger's!


The church today has been around for a while so most people who can make it into higher positions have to at least pretend to be really good for decades so you will find few who are sleeping around. It's is common with Religious founders which is exactly what we see with Joseph Smith.

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I have no idea what you are talking about with money. Are you talking about tithing? or something else?


It's a general idea religious people who have worship like tendencies with their leaders create easy situations in which leaders can easily remove them of their money.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 28, 2018 11:40 am 
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 28, 2018 6:13 pm 
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pogi wrote:
Why do you limit these tendencies to just religious people? Celebrity "worship" is just as common among the more secular in society. Just watch the old Beatles concerts :wink:

Yes, sex is rampant among the general authorities...they are regular Mick Jagger's!
I have no idea what you are talking about with money. Are you talking about tithing? or something else?


Sex was rampant among general authorities once upon a time. Joseph would have given Mick a run for his money. Joseph clearly was rock star material. :lol:

Mormon leaders don't have big salaries and I don't think they're doing criminal things with the money. Mormons don't have to pay tithing but they do have to pay to play in the highest levels, like many religions and groups. I think that the biggest problem with the focus on the leaders is that the members develop excessive, undue faith in men. The brethren can say "God" and "Jesus" with every breath but there's a human being right in front of you who may be helping or hurting you with Jesus and God right there in his mouth. You aren't interacting with God or Jesus. You don't hand you tithing over to God or Jesus. You give it to men. Men whom you may believe are different, better than other men, which is even beyond trust. And so when men with God and Jesus in their mouths come to you with affiliation fraud you will be their favorite target.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2018 4:16 am 
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pogi wrote:
I have a question wrote:
Got any examples of the current Prophets being wrong right now?
And got any examples of you acting against their counsel/voting to not sustain because you believe them to be wrong?


Sorry, I am not going to play this game when I don't see any point to it. Why would that make a difference? Believing a person to be wrong or right is not equivalent to worship. What if I NEVER questioned a single prophet because I fully believe that EVERY word they speak is inspired by God? Would that equate to people worship? No, it wouldn't. It might equate to blind trust, but not worship.


And there you have it folks.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2018 12:17 pm 
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My previous bishop and I argued. He insisted that church leaders never made mistakes & would never lead us astray. I pointed out that if he believed they were infallible etc, then he was deifying them - having other gods before God.


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