Archeological evidence for Helaman Chp 4:7

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Arlington Mallory from the 20 century found iron slag which at a mound and although current researchers have not validated smelting at the Hopewell Mann site. What is known without a doubt Hopewell used extreme heat to manipulate iron, copper, gold and silver. To make tools weapons jewelry etc.
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bomgeography wrote:Arlington Mallory from the 20 century found iron slag which at a mound and .

Mallory was unconvincing, even 75 years ago. From a review of Mallory's 1952 book, which was a pictorial history, by the way:
Nor is his treatment of the furnaces
in Ohio likely to convince many readers. These furnaces
have long been thought to have been used in burning lime.
It would have been better had the author provided the
reader with a fuller and more objective treatment of the
history of these artifacts. As it now stands, he has failed to
dispose of the thesis that these furnaces were used for
burning lime. Nor is this reviewer impressed with his
thesis that the similarity of motif between the art of the
Iroquois and the early Norse proves that the Iroquois were
indebted to the Norse.
http://collections.carli.illinois.edu/c ... hq/id/2623


bomgeo, this is a discredited author with a 75 year old picture book about Norse influence that you are claiming supports your theory. It doesn't work, to put it mildly.
although current researchers have not validated smelting at the Hopewell Mann site. What is known without a doubt Hopewell used extreme heat to manipulate iron, copper, gold and silver. To make tools weapons jewelry etc

although you just contradicted yourself, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Prove it, and prove how this supports your Book of /Mormon theory.
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Lemmie wrote:
bomgeography wrote:Arlington Mallory from the 20 century found iron slag which at a mound and .

Mallory was unconvincing, even 75 years ago. From a review of Mallory's 1952 book, which was a pictorial history, by the way:
Nor is his treatment of the furnaces
in Ohio likely to convince many readers. These furnaces
have long been thought to have been used in burning lime.
It would have been better had the author provided the
reader with a fuller and more objective treatment of the
history of these artifacts. As it now stands, he has failed to
dispose of the thesis that these furnaces were used for
burning lime. Nor is this reviewer impressed with his
thesis that the similarity of motif between the art of the
Iroquois and the early Norse proves that the Iroquois were
indebted to the Norse.
http://collections.carli.illinois.edu/c ... hq/id/2623


bomgeo, this is a discredited author with a 75 year old picture book about Norse influence that you are claiming supports your theory. It doesn't work, to put it mildly.
although current researchers have not validated smelting at the Hopewell Mann site. What is known without a doubt Hopewell used extreme heat to manipulate iron, copper, gold and silver. To make tools weapons jewelry etc

although you just contradicted yourself, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Prove it, and prove how this supports your Book of /Mormon theory.


Using extreme heat was not accurate but using fire to help form the material was proven.

“We cut through some samples of the copper pieces and polished them to look at the grain structures of the copper with a microscope,” said Deymier-Black, second author of the paper. “From the size, shape and features of the grains inside the copper, we determined that the coppersmiths were likely hammering the copper, probably with a heavy rock, then putting the copper in the hot coals of a wood fire for five to 10 minutes to soften it and repeating the cycle until they had created a thin sheet of copper. “

The researchers also tested theories that some archeologists had made about the coppersmiths’ techniques. One idea was that they made large copper pieces, like ceremonial breastplates, by “laminating” sheets of copper together through a hammering technique. Deymier-Black said that the lamination could not be reproduced, even with much greater weights achievable with a modern press.
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fire heated copper != iron slag.
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SteelHead wrote:fire heated copper != iron slag.

Iron slag was found by Arlington Mallory see picture.

http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... lting.html
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bomgeography wrote:
SteelHead wrote:fire heated copper != iron slag.

Iron slag was found by Arlington Mallory see picture.

http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... lting.html

A picture? I don't see any documentation or source for the picture, any proof of what's in it, so again, you have NO EVIDENCE.
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Spruce hill is another Hopewell site that also shows smelting.

Limited archaeological research indicates that the fortress was actually built by the Indians of the Hopewell Culture from 1,600 to 2,000 years ago.

It remains one of the most important and puzzling archaeological sites in Ohio, one of a dozen surviving hilltop enclosures built by the Hopewells. It is similar to Ohio’s Fort Hill and Fort Ancient state memorials, and the largest single enclosure the Hopewells ever built.

Something else adds to the Spruce Hill mystery: evidence that very hot fires burned there, hot enough to melt sandstone and create slag. It is unclear how or why that happened.

There are about 30 spots along the walls with burnt, fused or glazed sandstone, vitrified soils, burnt clay and cinders. The temperatures needed to produce such effects are far hotter than normal fires.
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Arlington Mallery work was documented in his book.

[ARLINGTON MALLERY, LOST AMERICA: THE STORY OF IRON-AGE CIVILIZATION PRIOR TO COLUMBUS, WASHINGTON DC, 1951]
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bomgeography wrote:Arlington Mallery work was documented in his book.

[ARLINGTON MALLERY, LOST AMERICA: THE STORY OF IRON-AGE CIVILIZATION PRIOR TO COLUMBUS, WASHINGTON DC, 1951]


you're going in circles again, using yet another source that has already been discredited in this thread. But feel free to keep going, discrediting yourself as a researcher, and giving your Mormon religion a black eye. It just makes it easier to debunk your work, David McKane, when you show up here with your next sock puppet.

From above:
Lemmie wrote: Mallory was unconvincing, even 75 years ago. From a review of Mallory's 1952 book, which was a pictorial history, by the way:
Nor is his treatment of the furnaces
in Ohio likely to convince many readers. These furnaces
have long been thought to have been used in burning lime.
It would have been better had the author provided the
reader with a fuller and more objective treatment of the
history of these artifacts. As it now stands, he has failed to
dispose of the thesis that these furnaces were used for
burning lime. Nor is this reviewer impressed with his
thesis that the similarity of motif between the art of the
Iroquois and the early Norse proves that the Iroquois were
indebted to the Norse.
http://collections.carli.illinois.edu/c ... hq/id/2623

bomgeo, this is a discredited author with a 75 year old picture book about Norse influence that you are claiming supports your theory. It doesn't work, to put it mildly.
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