Science is a tool that can be abused!

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Gorman wrote:Case in point. Space Physics gets a bad rap. Scientists tend to underfund it, and laymen on message boards think it's one step away from pseudoscience. If people aren't taught it in elementary school, they tend to not trust it. This has been going on since the beginning of the field. It's nothing new.

Are you then making a distinction here between the pseudoscientific Electric Universe and plasma physics? I am unaware of any bad rap given to plasma physics. In fact it makes up a large part of the research done at NASA Ames research center.
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Hi Huckleberry,

I have no dog in this fight. I will let the archaeologists and scholars continue to work it out. Sorry for the quote of a simplistic article but consider who it is addressed to. Your position is no more acceptable to him than the article quoted and is just as fatal to his position.

What was interesting to me was the DNA evidence.

https://beyondallreligion.net/old-testament/
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spotlight wrote:Hi Huckleberry,

I have no dog in this fight. I will let the archaeologists and scholars continue to work it out. Sorry for the quote of a simplistic article but consider who it is addressed to. Your position is no more acceptable to him than the article quoted and is just as fatal to his position.

What was interesting to me was the DNA evidence.

https://beyondallreligion.net/old-testament/


Spotlight, not really looking for a battle, You asked Nipper the question I was going to ask him so I decided to pester you instead. I anticipate limited response from Little Nipper having gone around this bush a few times already.

I am not familiar with dna angles in the unresolved historical questions (unresolved in my mind as well as in some others) Please review your choice of links again. This one is much worse.(fundamentalist fearmonger and conspiritorialist) Usual christian bookstores have a back shelf location sort of like the porno section, that has books about conspiracies advancing the devils world takeover or how the world is about to end etc , find Texe Marrs there.
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huckelberry wrote:Spotlight, not really looking for a battle, You asked Nipper the question I was going to ask him so I decided to pester you instead. I anticipate limited response from Little Nipper having gone around this bush a few times already.

I am not familiar with dna angles in the unresolved historical questions (unresolved in my mind as well as in some others) Please review your choice of links again. This one is much worse.(fundamentalist fearmonger and conspiritorialist) Usual christian bookstores have a back shelf location sort of like the porno section, that has books about conspiracies advancing the devils world takeover or how the world is about to end etc , find Texe Marrs there.

Hi Huckleberry,
Much of the online material about Jewish DNA tends to be motivated by various agendas. But the question raised is an interesting one regardless of the motivation. Is there any DNA evidence that the Jews were slaves in Egypt? If when they entered Egypt per the Biblical account they were few in number and subsequently grew before being freed by Moses then there ought to be some DNA evidence to support that history. From what I can find online that doesn't seem to be the case. If we go to wikipedia (hopefully without bias or agenda) we find only the following:

These (Jewish) populations showed a high degree of endogamy and were part of a larger Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jewish group. By principal component analysis, these North African groups were orthogonal to contemporary populations from North and South Morocco, Western Sahara, Tunisia, Libya, and Egypt.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_studies_on_Jews


I'll return to this later if I come across a better source that addresses this question.
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spotlight wrote:
huckelberry wrote:

Hi Huckleberry,
Much of the online material about Jewish DNA tends to be motivated by various agendas. But the question raised is an interesting one regardless of the motivation. Is there any DNA evidence that the Jews were slaves in Egypt? If when they entered Egypt per the Biblical account they were few in number and subsequently grew before being freed by Moses then there ought to be some DNA evidence to support that history. From what I can find online that doesn't seem to be the case. If we go to wikipedia (hopefully without bias or agenda) we find only the following:

These (Jewish) populations showed a high degree of endogamy and were part of a larger Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jewish group. By principal component analysis, these North African groups were orthogonal to contemporary populations from North and South Morocco, Western Sahara, Tunisia, Libya, and Egypt.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_studies_on_Jews


I'll return to this later if I come across a better source that addresses this question.


Spotlight, I read a bunch of the wikipedia link,it was interesting and certainly appears to me to be much more reliable material. I could not see anything that attempted to clarify Hebrew and Egyptian intermarriage in the second millennium bc. however. Distinctions discussed were relationships of Jewish people's middle eastern background with their admixture of genetic backgrouund of populations in the areas of the diaspora.

It may be worth considering the solid historical details for the time period,second millennium bc. Hypothetically considering no Moses and no bondage in Egypt, Israeal is still a group of Canaanite people with some other fertile crescent peoples living in the area. Consider, these people live adjacent to Egypt. Egypt conquers and militarily occupies this area in some of this time period. There would have been trade. Would you expect anybody to believe it is even remotely possible that there was no genetic intermixture in those conditions in those times?

During Biblical times, first millennium relationship trade, tribute, war etc continued. There was even a Jewish temple built in Egypt. The opportunities for mixture are so extensive that I would think any study failing to find mixture must be, until very extensive confirmation, be viewed as mistaken, perhaps unable to see the relevant detail.
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