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 Post subject: Re: Mormons are here to stay
PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 9:39 am 
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Still here, but increasingly irrelevant. They will entrench in the morridor, grow for a while in SA and Africa, shrink in Europe, Asia, and NA as society increasingly realizes all the church is: a homophobic, misogynistic, racist group that views religion as a license to commit evil in the name of god.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 10:08 am 
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I might need to rethink my original premise. I read the following article and thought about the Lemmings march to the sea. Even for those more rational Lemmings, their sheer weight on the cliff may cause the cliff to crumble thus taking them all.

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Natural or adopted children living in a same-sex household will only be allowed to be baptized once they are 18, disavow the practice of same-sex cohabitation or marriage, and stop living within the household, according to the policy. Such baptism would still require the approval of the church's governing First Presidency.

http://kutv.com/news/local/lds-church-to-exclude-children-of-same-sex-couples-from-membership


This is eerily reminiscent of the church ban on blacks holding the priesthood until 1978. It is blatant discrimination, this time against the children of gay parents.

Bigotry is still bigotry, whether based on race, sexual orientation, or religious beliefs. Mormon church hierarchy is still engaging in bigoted practices excluding large segments of the population by virtue now of whether someone's parents are straight or homosexual.

I envision more leaving the church because of this new bizarre stance, than staying. Otherwise, they're endorsing outright bigotry themselves against CHILDREN. And for the child to HAVE TO DISAVOW their parents in order to JOIN, is yet another MARK OF A CULT, A PSEUDO RELIGION.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2015 2:28 am 
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In other words I hate everything you say, do, believe. I will work feverishly against you, insult you in public, and private. Abuse your good name. Can I come live with you?


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2015 6:23 am 
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Still here, but increasingly irrelevant. They will entrench in the morridor, grow for a while in SA and Africa, shrink in Europe, Asia, and NA as society increasingly realizes all the church is: a homophobic, misogynistic, racist group that views religion as a license to commit evil in the name of god.


Agreed. The more it digs its heels in its bigoted past, the more marginalized it's becoming.

The new face of bigotry in Mormonism is homophobia.

Calling evil good flies in the face of everything holy. Whatever the church position on homosexuality is one thing.

But targeting innocent children takes it to a new low.

"It's in the handbook," will be the new mantra. "Read my lips."

"Children of gay parents aren't our kind."


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2015 6:24 am 
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From comments section of the Saint George news, on the LGBT issue: "Suffer the Little Children to Come unto me; and forbid them not. For such is the Kingdom of Heaven. What Mormons reject; Jesus accepts."

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2015 9:52 am 
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Children in the US are not free agents. They can't sign a contract, or do many things a adult can legally do. If you have to get permission from your parents to join any group. You are obviously not qualified to do it.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2015 9:59 am 
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I will take this as a yes to my question on the other thread. If minor children have to ask their non Mormon parents for permission to be baptized, then in your view they are unqualified to be baptized.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2015 5:15 pm 
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At least we are not requiring these children to undergo an exorcism.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2015 6:21 pm 
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But sadly, many children are forced to undergo conversion therapy.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 1:21 pm 
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What's sad is when a money-hungry doctor performs a "sex change" on a child - or anyone - and then they always regret it, because then they are not really one sex or the other.

You can't change chromosomes - you are born as a male or female.
The homosexual "cult" mentality pushes more and more lies that are contrary to basic science.

Yes, I disagree that children of anybody should not be punished by the church - and denying baptism of anyone is unChrist-like.
Yet, I also see clear as day that homosexuals should not rob children of a mother or father, and should not subject them to what are statistically, harmful lifestyles.


Study: Children of Parents in Same-Sex Relationships Face Greater Risks
http://www.citizenlink.com/2012/06/11/s ... ter-risks/
"According to data from the New Family Structures Study, led by Mark Regnerus at the University of Texas at Austin, children raised by homosexual parents are dramatically more likely than peers raised by married heterosexual parents to suffer from a host of social problems. Among them are strong tendencies, as adults, to exhibit poor impulse control; suffer from depression and thoughts of suicide; need mental health therapy; identify themselves as homosexual; choose cohabitation; be unfaithful to partners; contract sexually transmitted diseases; be sexually molested; have lower income levels; drink to get drunk; and smoke tobacco and marijuana."

Adults Raised by Gay Couples Speak Out Against Gay ‘Marriage’ in Federal Court
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/laurett ... eral-court

“Every child need a mum” – A gay man speaks out against gay marriage"
“I don’t want to see children being engineered for same-sex couples where there is either a mom missing or a dad missing,” Mainwaring explained. “Somebody needs to stand up for the rights and needs of children in an age when the selfishness of adults seems to be trumping those rights.”
http://www.ynaija.com/every-child-need- ... -marriage/

Child of lesbian couple speaks out against gay marriage
http://www.dennyburk.com/child-of-lesbi ... -marriage/


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 1:32 pm 
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What's sad is when a money-hungry doctor performs a "sex change" on a child - or anyone - and then they always regret it, because then they are not really one sex or the other.


Please show where doctors are performing sex change operations on children (who are not intersex or ambiguous). And by child I am assuming you mean someone under the age of 14 years of age.

Also provide evidence that the doctors performing these operations are doing it for the money.

Provide evidence that people who undergo sex change operations "always" regret it.

Thanks.

I'd also be interested to know what you suggest we do about the intersex and ambiguous sex children.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2015 6:09 pm 
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From 6 members to 15,000,000 members in less than 200 years. That's pretty good growth. Jews have had some 4,000 years and has the same number of members.


You have to taken into account that over the centuries there have been many culling of the Jews by countless number of dictators, tyrants, and the like. Mormons have been spared that type of devastation.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2015 7:48 pm 
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From 6 members to 15,000,000 members in less than 200 years. That's pretty good growth. Jews have had some 4,000 years and has the same number of members.


You have to take into account that over the centuries there have been many culling of the Jews by countless number of dictators, tyrants, and the like. Mormons have been spared that type of devastation.


Sorry, I changed your post a little. It's always good to make an attribution to who is being quoted.

Fifteen Million members is an exaggerated number. From what I have read, five million active members might be more accurate.

I think LDS members are leaving the Church in growing numbers. I am pretty sure that this is a result of new information that can be found on the internet and the very clumsy response from the COB.

Every day, it gets a little more interesting.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2015 10:41 am 
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Children in the US are not free agents. They can't sign a contract, or do many things a adult can legally do. If you have to get permission from your parents to join any group. You are obviously not qualified to do it.


The problem with the policy and why so many members are upset about it is that it does not give the parents the right to say yes. It's not really going to break up families if the parents are saying yes. It is also a double standard in that the church condemns heterosexuals shacking up but has no problem baptizing their children if they say yes. The group most affected will be children of divorced parents where one is now gay and the child is spending time with both. What it is really about is the influence these people will have on the church. If they can push them out it will mean less influence on church members and how they think of the gay issues. Boundary maintenance. The ONLY reason BY's group did better then the RLDS is that they separated themselves from the rest of society. A group very integrated into the rest of society is a group that will more quickly look like the rest of society.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2015 10:48 am 
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Sorry, I changed your post a little. It's always good to make an attribution to who is being quoted.

Fifteen Million members is an exaggerated number. From what I have read, five million active members might be more accurate.

I think LDS members are leaving the Church in growing numbers. I am pretty sure that this is a result of new information that can be found on the internet and the very clumsy response from the COB.

Every day, it gets a little more interesting.


15 Million is accurate as to how many people the church has on it's list. It does not represent adherents. In the US the number of adherents is slowly growing and just maintaining the LDS percentage of the US population. In the US the LDS adherents have a much higher fertility rate then the general population and a large active missionary force. If all they can do is maintain their percentage of the population they must be losing a significant number. I doubt the church is doing better in other developed nations and most likely doing worse. Developing nations are harder to figure in that they have high baptisms and very low retention.

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