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 Post subject: Re: Joseph Smith teaches God tells us to LIE
PostPosted: Thu Jan 14, 2016 10:59 am 
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The CCC wrote:
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the same principle is at play when Nephi is told to kill Laban. Thou shalt not kill/kill Laban. Keeping a handle on good is not so easy as a set of written rules. That which is wrong under one circumstance, may be, and often is right under another. Joseph Smith it is a life long pursuit


Would you lie to save your friends' life?


I think many are missing the big picture here. What these stories do is to tell people it is right to do whatever God commands. Joseph changes Abraham's story a little bit that God told him to lie. Remember that God also commanded Abraham to kill his son and the moral of the story is that Abraham was doing the right thing in trying to kill his son because God told him to. Joseph did this as well with the Nephi killing Laban story. Nephi was good and righteous because he followed God's command to kill an unconscious man. The bible has these stories of Commanding the people to go and kill another group. Even children.

The common theme is do what God tells you. In reality this is not meant to have people go off on their own as to what God wants. Most know they don't have an idea of what God wants, but believe and have been taught to accept someone else as God mouthpiece. What better way to get people to do what you want as leader. This is what Joseph is doing, and what people in the past have done. Easier to convince the believer this is what God wants and not what I want when they are trying to have sex with you. An angel with a burning sword threatened me if I didn't. You got to help me out or I will die. God will kill me if I don't raise 6 million dollars. Etc etc etc.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 14, 2016 11:27 am 
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That doesn't answer the question. Whether you, or anyone else believes in any number of Gods, is irrelevant to the question of would you lie to save the life of a friend?


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 14, 2016 2:12 pm 
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The CCC wrote:
That doesn't answer the question. Whether you, or anyone else believes in any number of Gods, is irrelevant to the question of would you lie to save the life of a friend?


I wasn't trying to answer a question we all know the answer to. It misses the important point I brought up.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 14, 2016 4:39 pm 
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The Old Testament is filled with examples of God going against His own instructions. For example: Thou shalt not kill. There are other instances in the Bible where God has instructed Prophets to purposefully lie in addition to what He told Abraham. In fact, when the people had desires for iniquity, God instructed the Prophets to give the people what they wanted. As such, the people were given things that simply were not a manifestation of "real" powers, gifts, special considerations, etc. They were disguised under the auspices of religion. They were an illusion; but the people are blind to that illusion. It seems that Joseph Smith wasn't doing anything different.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 14, 2016 4:45 pm 
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Themis wrote:
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That doesn't answer the question. Whether you, or anyone else believes in any number of Gods, is irrelevant to the question of would you lie to save the life of a friend?


I wasn't trying to answer a question we all know the answer to. It misses the important point I brought up.


What point is that? That you'd lie because you thought it was the right thing to do. How are you any different than Joseph Smith?


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 14, 2016 5:02 pm 
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What point is that? That you'd lie because you thought it was the right thing to do. How are you any different than Joseph Smith?


Then you did miss the point. The bible is full of the ideas that God commands override anything else. Religious leaders use this to maintain power and get adherents to do things they would not normally do. These stories are meant to teach this kind of obedience. Abraham's story of sacrificing his son is just one. Nephi killing an unconscious man is another. These stories are meant to teach believers to follow God or his chosen messenger. Joseph used this to get sex. I wouldn't do that. Very few people think they know what God wants and depend on their leaders to tell them. This is the idea of a prophet. It's the perfect system for the fraud. Ever hear of lying for the lord? It's used to justify all kinds of bad things like sleeping with women because you told them an angel threatened you if you didn't. :wink:

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 16, 2016 5:31 pm 
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Compare the Book of Abraham to Genesis and you find that some careless or naughty scribe must have changed the correct original (Book of Abraham) into a mistranslated passage in Genesis that gives Abraham the credit for God commanding him to lie. Good thing Joseph Smith gave us the real story. :rolleyes:


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2016 11:58 pm 
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Compare the Book of Abraham to Genesis and you find that some careless or naughty scribe must have changed the correct original (Book of Abraham) into a mistranslated passage in Genesis that gives Abraham the credit for God commanding him to lie. Good thing Joseph Smith gave us the real story. :rolleyes:


http://i.imgur.com/6uUGiHB.jpg


Gospel Principle lesson 31 clearly teaches this was a lie

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2016 8:44 pm 
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That's why I believe God has to be a God of truth. How can one trust a God who lies? A church which represents God should be the most honest institution on earth.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2016 11:03 am 
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deacon blues wrote:
That's why I believe God has to be a God of truth. How can one trust a God who lies? A church which represents God should be the most honest institution on earth.



-Doctrine and Covenants section 132:

37 Abraham received concubines, and they bore him children; and it was accounted unto him for righteousness, because they were given unto him, and he abode in my law; as Isaac also and Jacob did none other things than that which they were commanded; and because they did none other things than that which they were commanded, they have entered into their exaltation, according to the promises, and sit upon thrones, and are not angels but are gods.

Does any one here agree Abraham Isaac and Jacob are now gods like Mormon faux scripture teaches

This is obvious contrary to the Book of Mormon and Bible .


1 Nephi 13:
41 And they must come according to the words which shall be established by the mouth of the Lamb; and the words of the Lamb shall be made known in the records of thy seed, as well as in the records of the twelve apostles of the Lamb; wherefore they both shall be established in one; for there is one God and one Shepherd over all the earth.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 09, 2016 5:52 pm 
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God does not treat any of us special. When you read in the scriptures that God did this or that compare it against what God has done for you. If you have not experienced it then toss it out.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2016 6:22 pm 
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Joseph Smith was a moral relativist Whatever god/Joseph said was right. :rolleyes:


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 Post subject: Re: Joseph Smith teaches God tells us to LIE
PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2016 4:30 pm 
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SteelHead wrote:
And so did Abraham in the bible, and then god punishes Pharaoh because of Abraham's lie, apparently give the seal of approval to the lie..... Is there a point?


my bible translation, new living translation , has abram making up the lie/story, not God: genesis 12:31 "As he was approaching the border of egypt, abram said to his wife sarai, "look you are a very beautiful woman. when the egyptians see you, they will say ,this is his wife. let's kill him;then we can have her". so please tell them you are my sister"

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