Dr. Shades wrote:[MODERATOR NOTE: Themis and passenger, please review the rules for the Celestial Forum, specifically rules #3 and #4:
What personal attack? I was just stating facts. In this case about what has been established about subby.
I would have no problem with him if he treated people well and actually tried to discuss the issues here. I and others dealt with him to long enough to know his trolling game.
Thou better readest 3 Nephi 14:3, unreasonable God.
passenger wrote:Thou better readest 3 Nephi 14:3, unreasonable God.
I'm more then willing to discuss things with subby if he ever would be willing. You haven't been around long enough to know much about him or me.
At first: subgenius has an avatar / a forum photo, and (secondly) he's holding a Colt in his hand - you have neither the one nor the other. There is no need to be around here for long just to see who is who.
AmyJo wrote:Yeay, this passage was borrowed directly from the Sermon on the Mount, of Matthew Chapter 7.
If you believe that the Sermon on the Mount is authentic, and the words were Jesus own words, I can't see why the passage in the Book of Mormon should not be identical with Matthew Chapter 7.
Anyway, at the beginning of the chapter you can read "compare Matthew 7". The events in Nephi 3 date from approx. the year 34 A. D. I wouldn't be concerned about the fact that there are certain similarities between the Bible and the Book of Mormon.
Interesting. So the KJV version of Matthew 7 is authentic and the words were Jesus's own words, which is why 3rd Nephi 14 matches Matthew 7 so closely.
But wait: why then, when Joseph Smith was engaged in the inspired translation of the KJV Bible, was he was inspired to change Jesus's own words in Matthew Chapter 7 so that they say something other than that what you just claimed the Book of Mormon was tailored to match so precisely because it was "Jesus's own words"?
Flaming Meaux wrote: ... But wait: why then, when Joseph Smith was engaged in the inspired translation of the KJV Bible, was he was inspired to change Jesus's own words in Matthew Chapter 7 so that they say something other than that what you just claimed the Book of Mormon was tailored to match so precisely because it was "Jesus's own words"?
That's a head scratcher...
No, not a head scratcher, as Jesus' own words have always been paraphrased. Jesus' "own" words doesn't mean they were his own words in a direct speech. Remember, Jesus spoke in Hebrew or Aramaic, and certainly not in Latin, Greek, or in English, that didn't even exist at that time. The literal account of Jesus' own words will nowhere be found - only in a translated form or an inspired or general sense, anyway.
Flaming Meaux wrote: ... But wait: why then, when Joseph Smith was engaged in the inspired translation of the KJV Bible, was he was inspired to change Jesus's own words in Matthew Chapter 7 so that they say something other than that what you just claimed the Book of Mormon was tailored to match so precisely because it was "Jesus's own words"?
That's a head scratcher...
No, not a head scratcher, as Jesus' own words have always been paraphrased. Jesus' "own" words doesn't mean they were his own words in a direct speech. Remember, Jesus spoke in Hebrew or Aramaic, and certainly not in Latin, Greek, or in English, that didn't even exist at that time. The literal account of Jesus' own words will nowhere be found - only in a translated form or an inspired or general sense, anyway.
The problem is why Joseph would receive divine translation that matches the KJV then later get divine translations correcting the KJV. Why was does the Book of Mormon translation not match Joseph's later corrections? The other problem is how the KJV could get anywhere near accurate record of what supposedly Jesus said considering it was not written until well after. Are they also supposed to have gotten divine revelations.
subgenius wrote: when considering the notion of another person "thinking it through", perhaps it is best that you first do the same. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VALIS
Excellent point, although the third tortoise from the bottom never could agree on his stacking order.
subgenius wrote:when considering the notion of another person "thinking it through", perhaps it is best that you first do the same. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VALIS
Excellent point, although the third tortoise from the bottom never could agree on his stacking order.
- Whenever a poet or preacher, chief or wizard spouts gibberish, the human race spends centuries deciphering the message. - Umberto Eco - To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin. - Cardinal Bellarmine at the trial of Galilei
