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PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:05 am 
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Revelation 6:1-17

Next I observed as the Lamb broke the first of the 7 seals, and I heard one of the 4 living beings say in a thundering voice, “Go!”

I looked, and there in front of me was a white horse; its rider had a bow and was given authority; and he rode off as a conqueror to conquer.

When He broke the second seal, I heard the 2nd living being say, “Go!”

Another horse went out, a red one; and its rider was given the power to remove peace from the earth and make people kill each other. He was given a mighty sword.

When He broke the 3rd seal, I heard the 3rd living being say, “Go!” I observed, and there in front of me was a black horse, and its rider held in his hand a pair of scales.

Then I heard what sounded like some voice from among the 4 living beings say, “2 pounds of wheat for a day’s wages! 6 pounds of barley for the same price! But don’t harm the oil or the wine!”

When he broke the 4th seal, I heard the voice of the 4th living being say, “Go!”

I observed, and there in front of me was a pallid, sickly-looking horse. Its rider’s name was Death, and Hell followed behind him. They were given authority to kill 1/4 of the world by war, by famine, by plagues and along with the wild animals of the earth.

When the Lamb broke the 5th seal, I saw underneath the altar the souls of those who had been murdered for proclaiming the Word of God, that is, for bearing witness.

They cried out loud, “Sovereign Ruler, Holy, True One, how long will it be before You judge the people living on earth and avenge our death?”

Each of them was provided with a robe of white; and they were told to wait a little longer, until the full number of their fellow-servants should be reached, of their brothers who would be killed --- as they had been.

Then I watched as He broke the 6th seal, and there was a horrific earthquake, the sun blacked as sackcloth worn in mourning, and the full moon became blood-red.

And stars decended from heaven to earth just as a fig tree drops figs when shaken by a strong wind.

The sky receded like a scroll being rolled up, and every mountain and island was disturbed from its spot.

Then the earth’s kings, the rulers, the generals, the wealthy and the mighty — in fact, everyone, slave and free — hid himself in caves and among the rocks in the mountains,

and said to the mountains and rocks, “Cover us, and hide us from the face of the One seated on the throne and from the anger of the Lamb!

For the Great Day of fury has come, and who will survive?”

Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

1 And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard one of the four living creatures saying, as it were a voice of thunder, `Come and behold!'

2 and I saw, and lo, a white horse, and he who is sitting upon it is having a bow, and there was given to him a crown, and he went forth overcoming, and that he may overcome.

3 And when he opened the second seal, I heard the second living creature saying, `Come and behold!'

4 and there went forth another horse -- red, and to him who is sitting upon it, there was given to him to take the peace from the land, and that one another they may slay, and there was given to him a great sword.

5 And when he opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature saying, `Come and behold!' and I saw, and lo, a black horse, and he who is sitting upon it is having a balance in his hand,

6 and I heard a voice in the midst of the four living creatures saying, `A measure of wheat for a denary, and three measures of barley for a denary,' and `The oil and the wine thou mayest not injure.'

7 And when he opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature saying, `Come and behold!'

8 and I saw, and lo, a pale horse, and he who is sitting upon him -- his name is Death, and Hades doth follow with him, and there was given to them authority to kill, (over the fourth part of the land,) with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and by the beasts of the land.

9 And when he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those slain because of the word of God, and because of the testimony that they held,

10 and they were crying with a great voice, saying, `Till when, O Master, the Holy and the True, dost Thou not judge and take vengeance of our blood from those dwelling upon the land?'

11 and there was given to each one white robes, and it was said to them that they may rest themselves yet a little time, till may be fulfilled also their fellow-servants and their brethren, who are about to be killed -- even as they.

12 And I saw when he opened the sixth seal, and lo, a great earthquake came, and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood,

13 and the stars of the heaven fell to the earth -- as a fig-tree doth cast her winter figs, by a great wind being shaken --

14 and heaven departed as a scroll rolled up, and every mountain and island -- out of their places they were moved;

15 and the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich, and the chiefs of thousands, and the mighty, and every servant, and every freeman, hid themselves in the dens, and in the rocks of the mountains,

16 and they say to the mountains and to the rocks, `Fall upon us, and hide us from the face of Him who is sitting upon the throne, and from the anger of the Lamb,'

17 because come did the great day of His anger, and who is able to stand?


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 5:06 am 
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Revelation 7:1-17

Following this, I observed 4 angels stationed equally about the earth, withholding the quadrant winds of the earth, so that no wind would blow on the land, on the sea or through any tree.

I saw another angel headed out from the east with a seal from the living God, and he yelled to the 4 angels who had been given power to disrupt the land and the sea,

“Do not disrupt the land or the sea or the trees until we have sealed the servants of our God on their foreheads!”

I heard how many were sealed — 144,000 from every tribe of the people of Israel:

From the tribe of Y’hudah 12,000 were sealed
from the tribe of Re’uven 12,000
from the tribe of Gad, 12,000

from the tribe of Asher 12,000
from the tribe of Naftali 12,000
from the tribe of M’nasheh 12,000

from the tribe of Shim‘on 12,000
from the tribe of Levi 12,000
from the tribe of Yissakhar 12,000

from the tribe of Z’vulun 12,000
from the tribe of Yosef 12,000
from the tribe of Binyamin 12,000

Following this, I observed before me was a huge crowd, far too tremendous for anyone to number, from every nation, tribe, people and language. They were standing in front of the throne and in front of the Lamb, dressed in white robes and holding palm branches in their hands-------

Shouting: “Victory to our God, sitting on the throne, and to the Lamb!”

All the angels stood around the throne, the elders and the 4 living beings; they fell face down before the throne and worshipped God, saying,

"So be it! Praise and glory, wisdom and thanks, honor and power and strength belong to our God forever and eternally! So be it!”

One of the elders questioned me, “These people dressed in white robes — who are they, and where are they from?”

“Sir,” I answered, “I'm sure you know.” Then he informed me, “These are the people who have come out of the Great Persecution. They have washed their robes and made them pure with the blood of the Lamb.

That is why they are before God’s throne.

“Day and night they serve Him in His Temple. And the One who sits on the throne will place His glory upon them.

“They will never again be hungry or thirsty. The sun will not beat down on them, nor will any burning heat.

“For the Lamb at the center of the throne will protect them --- leading them to fountains of living water, and God will remove every tear from their eyes.”

Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

1 And after these things I saw four messengers, standing upon the four corners of the land, holding the four winds of the land, that the wind may not blow upon the land, nor upon the sea, nor upon any tree;

2 and I saw another messenger going up from the rising of the sun, having a seal of the living God, and he did cry with a great voice to the four messengers, to whom it was given to injure the land and the sea, saying,

3 `Do not injure the land, nor the sea, nor the trees, till we may seal the servants of our God upon their foreheads.'

4 And I heard the number of those sealed, (144 thousands were sealed out of all the tribes of the sons of Israel):

5 of the tribe of Judah 12 thousand were sealed; of the tribe of Reuben 12 thousand were sealed; of the tribe of Gad 12 thousand were sealed;

6 of the tribe of Asher 12 thousand were sealed; of the tribe of Naphtali 12 thousand were sealed; of the tribe of Manasseh 12 thousand were sealed;

7 of the tribe of Simeon 12 thousand were sealed; of the tribe of Levi 12 thousand were sealed; of the tribe of Issachar 12 thousand were sealed;

8 of the tribe of Zebulun 12 thousand were sealed; of the tribe of Joseph 12 thousand were sealed; of the tribe of Benjamin 12 thousand were sealed.

9 After these things I saw, and lo, a great multitude, which to number no one was able, out of all nations, and tribes, and peoples, and tongues,
standing before the throne, and before the Lamb, arrayed in white robes, and palms in their hands,

10 and crying with a great voice, saying, `The salvation [is] to Him who is sitting upon the throne -- to our God, and to the Lamb!'

11 And all the messengers stood around the throne, and the elders and the four living creatures, and they fell upon their face, and bowed before God,

12 saying, `Amen! the blessing, and the glory, and the wisdom, and the thanksgiving, and the honour, and the power, and the strength, [are] to our God -- to the ages of the ages! Amen!'

13 And answer did one of the elders, saying to me, `These, who have been arrayed with the white robes -- who are they, and whence came they?'

14 and I have said to him, `Sir, thou hast known;' and he said to me, `These are those who are coming out of the great tribulation, and they did wash their robes, and they made their robes white in the blood of the Lamb;

15 because of this are they before the throne of God, and they do service to Him day and night in His sanctuary, and He who is sitting upon the throne shall tabernacle over them;

16 they shall not hunger any more, nor may the sun fall upon them, nor any heat,

17 because the Lamb that [is] in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters, and wipe away shall God every tear from their eyes.'


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:44 am 
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Revelation 6:1-2 (KJV)

1 And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.

2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.



Who is the guy that sat on the white horse???

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Revelation 7:4-7 (KJV)

4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

5 Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand.

6 Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nepthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand.

7 Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand.

8 Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.



The tribe of Dan is not mentioned within those verses. But Manasseh is.

Revelation 7:6 (NKJV)
6 of the tribe of Asher twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Naphtali twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Manasseh twelve thousand were sealed;



Perhaps it is mainly because of Revelation 7:6 that Joseph Smith had Lehi as a descendant of Manasseh.

Alma 10:3
3 And Aminadi was a descendant of Nephi, who was the son of Lehi, who came out of the land of Jerusalem, who was a descendant of Manasseh, who was the son of Joseph who was sold into Egypt by the hands of his brethren.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 6:50 pm 
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Instantly I was in the Spirit, and there in front of me in heaven stood a throne, and on the throne Someone was seated.

The One sitting there gleamed like diamonds and rubies, and a rainbow shining like emerald surrounded the throne.

Surrounding the throne were 24 additional thrones, and on the thrones sat 24 elders dressed in white clothing and wearing gold crowns on their heads.

From the throne radiated lightnings, voices and thunderings; and before the throne were 7 flaming torches, which are the sevenfold Spirit of God.

In front of the throne was what looked like a sea of glass, clear as crystal.

In the center, around the throne, were 4 living beings covered with eyes in front and behind.

The 1st living being was like a lion, the 2nd living being was like an ox, the 3rd living being had a face that looked human, and the 4th living being was like a flying eagle.

Each of the 4 living beings had 6 wings and was covered with eyes inside and out; and day and night they never stop saying,

“Holy, holy, holy is Adonai, God of heaven’s armies --- the One who was, is and is coming!”

And whenever the living beings give glory, honor and thanks to the One sitting on the throne, to the One who lives forever and for eternity,

the 24 elders fall down before the One sitting on the throne, who lives forever and for eternity, and worship Him. They tossed their crowns in front of the throne and say,

“You are worthy, Dear Lord, to have glory, honor and power, because you created everything — absolutely, because of your will they were created
and came into existance!”


So was "John" a schizophrenic or just ingested some potent fungus? :lol: :lol: :lol:

Other guys who could produce stuff like this: John C. Lilly, Timothy Leary, Aleister Crowley, Antonin Artaud, Salvador Dali, Terrence McKenna, Alex Grey. "John" was tripping hard or was one demented dude to start with. :wink:

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 6:54 pm 
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Maksutov wrote:
LittleNipper wrote:

Instantly I was in the Spirit, and there in front of me in heaven stood a throne, and on the throne Someone was seated.

The One sitting there gleamed like diamonds and rubies, and a rainbow shining like emerald surrounded the throne.

Surrounding the throne were 24 additional thrones, and on the thrones sat 24 elders dressed in white clothing and wearing gold crowns on their heads.

From the throne radiated lightnings, voices and thunderings; and before the throne were 7 flaming torches, which are the sevenfold Spirit of God.

In front of the throne was what looked like a sea of glass, clear as crystal.

In the center, around the throne, were 4 living beings covered with eyes in front and behind.

The 1st living being was like a lion, the 2nd living being was like an ox, the 3rd living being had a face that looked human, and the 4th living being was like a flying eagle.

Each of the 4 living beings had 6 wings and was covered with eyes inside and out; and day and night they never stop saying,

“Holy, holy, holy is Adonai, God of heaven’s armies --- the One who was, is and is coming!”

And whenever the living beings give glory, honor and thanks to the One sitting on the throne, to the One who lives forever and for eternity,

the 24 elders fall down before the One sitting on the throne, who lives forever and for eternity, and worship Him. They tossed their crowns in front of the throne and say,

“You are worthy, Dear Lord, to have glory, honor and power, because you created everything — absolutely, because of your will they were created
and came into existance!”


So was "John" a schizophrenic or just ingested some potent fungus? :lol: :lol: :lol:

Other guys who could produce stuff like this: John C. Lilly, Timothy Leary, Aleister Crowley, Antonin Artaud, Salvador Dali, Terrence McKenna, Alex Grey. "John" was tripping hard or was one demented dude to start with. :wink:

All of you endoftimers with your predictions and scares and prophecies that fail, fail, fail... :cool:
This is prophesy that has not come to pass yet, but it is coming. Timothy Leary's dead https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EXCIWlm1fs


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 7:03 pm 
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LittleNipper wrote:
Maksutov wrote:

So was "John" a schizophrenic or just ingested some potent fungus? :lol: :lol: :lol:

Other guys who could produce stuff like this: John C. Lilly, Timothy Leary, Aleister Crowley, Antonin Artaud, Salvador Dali, Terrence McKenna, Alex Grey. "John" was tripping hard or was one demented dude to start with. :wink:

All of you endoftimers with your predictions and scares and prophecies that fail, fail, fail... :cool:
This is prophesy that has not come to pass yet, but it is coming.


Talk about that has been cheap for a long time but the churches demand cold hard cash now. Promises, promises, prophecies, prophecies. It's a scam, Nipper. Sorry, buddy. It's like "I'll call you" and "I'll respect you in the morning" and "I'll hold the football for you, Charlie Brown."

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 7:15 pm 
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Maksutov wrote:
LittleNipper wrote:

Talk about that has been cheap for a long time but the churches demand cold hard cash now. Promises, promises, prophecies, prophecies. It's a scam, Nipper. Sorry, buddy. It's like "I'll call you" and "I'll respect you in the morning" and "I'll hold the football for you, Charlie Brown."


A generation has not passed away since Israel was reestablished as a nation. Talk is cheap so let's sing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Akoukq5DvAE


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 7:22 pm 
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A generation has not passed away since Israel was reestablished as a nation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Akoukq5DvAE

What is that supposed to prove? It's been almost seventy years. We've been hearing this latest silly endtimes stuff from William Miller and Hal Lindsay for the last 170 years. Televangelists love it because it brings in money, same with the silly apocalyptic booksellers. The Crouches, the Bakkers, Swaggart, Pat Robertson, Oral Roberts, all those con jobs worked that line, all scaring people with stories about Israel and the Soviets and Saddam, all for money, money, money. :wink:

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Revelation 8:1-13

When the Lamb broke the 7th seal, there was silence in heaven for what seemed like half an hour.

Then I saw the 7 angels who stand before God, and they were allotted 7 shofars.

Another angel came and stood before the altar with an incense-bowl of gold, and he was given a large quantity of incense to add to the prayers of all God’s people

on the gold altar in front of the throne. The smoke of the incense went up with the prayers of God’s people from the hand of this angel before God.

Then the angel took the incense-bowl, filled it with fire from the altar and cast it down upon the earth; and there followed thunder claps, voices, flashes of lightning and an earthquake.

Now the 7 angels with 7 shofars prepared to sound them.

The 1st one sounded his shofar; and there came hail and fire mingled with blood, and it was cast down upon the earth. One third of the earth was burned, a third of the trees were consumed, and all green grass was burned up.

The 2nd angel sounded his shofar, and what appeared like an enormous blazing mountain was hurled into the sea. A third of the sea turned to blood,

a third of the living creatures in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed.

The third angel sounded his shofar; and a great star, blazing like a torch, fell from the sky onto a third of the rivers and onto the springs of water.

The name of the star was “Bitterness,” and a third of the water became bitter, and many people died from the water that had been poisoned.

The fourth angel sounded his shofar; and a third of the sun was struck, also a third of the moon and a third of the stars; so that a third of them dimmed, the day had a third less light, and the night likewise.

Then I observed, and heard a lone eagle give a loud cry, as it flew in mid-heaven, "Misery! Misery! Misery to the people living on earth, because of the remaining blasts from the remaining three angels who have yet to blast their shofars!”

Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

1 And when he openeth the seventh seal, there came silence in the heaven about half-an-hour,

2 and I saw the seven messengers who before God have stood, and there were given to them seven trumpets,

3 and another messenger did come, and he stood at the altar, having a golden censer, and there was given to him much perfume, that he may give [it] to the prayers of all the saints upon the golden altar that [is] before the throne,

4 and go up did the smoke of the perfumes to the prayers of the saints out of the hand of the messenger, before God;

5 and the messenger took the censer, and did fill it out of the fire of the altar, and did cast [it] to the earth, and there came voices, and thunders, and lightnings, and an earthquake.

6 And the seven messengers who are having the seven trumpets did prepare themselves that they may sound;

7 and the first messenger did sound, and there came hail and fire, mingled with blood, and it was cast to the land, and the third of the trees was burnt up, and all the green grass was burnt up.

8 And the second messenger did sound, and as it were a great mountain with fire burning was cast into the sea, and the third of the sea became blood,

9 and die did the third of the creatures that [are] in the sea, those having life, and the third of the ships were destroyed.

10 And the third messenger did sound, and there fell out of the heaven a great star, burning as a lamp, and it did fall upon the third of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters,

11 and the name of the star is called Wormwood, and the third of the waters doth become wormwood, and many of the men did die of the waters, because they were made bitter.

12 And the fourth messenger did sound, and smitten was the third of the sun, and the third of the moon, and the third of the stars, that darkened may be the third of them, and that the day may not shine -- the third of it, and the night in like manner.

13 And I saw, and I heard one messenger, flying in the mid-heaven, saying with a great voice, `Woe, woe, woe, to those dwelling upon the land from the rest of the voices of the trumpet of the three messengers who are about to sound.'


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Was Israel founded in 1948?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7381315.stm


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According to the Bible how long is a generation? http://www.bible-codes.org/old-prophecy ... -codes.htm


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However, it was not until 1967 that Jerusalem was captured and became the capital of Israel in 1980. Please see: http://pray4zion.org/TheBuddingoftheFigTree.html

So the question needs to be asked, when does that generation begin and at which date? The Bible clearly states that no one but the Father knows the exact time. And it is clear from the Bible that men will scoff and say, "Where is Christ's return? What nonsense!" They ignore the fact that the the earth was judged by The FLOOD!


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Yeah, the flood that didn't happen just like the Nephites that never existed. Nice stories, though. Make for great cartoons. Just the sort of thing to believe if you never want to grow up and be part of a greater universe and a real history. :wink:

Your Bible has almost run its course and your Messiah still isn't here. Keep those excuses coming. :mrgreen:

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I find myself surprised that people have so little respect for the use of imaginative imagery to communicate with that they assume its source must be madness or psychedelics. Imaginatively impaired?

Revelations is working with a set of traditional imagery and style that has no relation to drugs or psychosis. That is simple and clear whether you see inspiration from God as involved or not.

Having said as much as this I might as well add I have zero use for theories detecting coded messages about when the second comming is going to happen in this book. Such drivel is not what it is about.


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Revelations is working with a set of traditional imagery and style that has no relation to drugs or psychosis. That is simple and clear whether you see inspiration from God as involved or not.



You need to do a little research into the long long history of entheogens. Goes back way before the Bible. Sorry, Huck, but the imagery and symbolism is so dense and its interpretations so various that the chaos of psychedelic experience seems spot on to me. How do you know God doesn't work through LSD and psilocybin? Someone has actually studied this...see below.

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On Good Friday, 1962, before services began in Boston University's Marsh Chapel, Walter Pahnke administered small capsules to twenty Protestant divinity students. 10 capsules contained a large dose of niacin, part of the Vitamin B complex. 10 contained 30 milligrams of psilocybin, a hallucinogen extracted from mushrooms that produces vivid sensory images and distorted perception (Pahnke, 1963). Pahnke, who was both a physician and a minister, conducted the experiment for his Ph.D. in Religion and Society at Harvard University, with Timothy Leary as his principal academic advisor. Both experimenters hypothesized that the psychedelic drug could facilitate a "mystical" experience in religiously inclined volunteers who took the drug in a religious setting. Pahnke believed the most conducive environment for his experiment would be a community of believers participating in a familiar religious ceremony designed to elicit religious feelings, and therefore chose his subjects from the Harvard Divinity school, all previously acquainted, and coded them in a randomized controlled, matched group, double-blind experiment using an active placebo, niacin. They then allowed participants to experience a familiar Good Friday sermon, with careful monitoring and trained research ‘guides’ to mediate the experience, and required a survey afterwards describing their experience.
According to Pahnke, the experiment determined that "the persons who received psilocybin experienced to a greater extent than did the controls the phenomena described by our typology of mysticism" (Pahnke, 1963). Follow up studies with the participants in the short term demonstrated that all those receiving the drug continued to feel that they had had a mystical experience, and that the experience helped to shape their lives and career paths, as well as their interpretation of both faith and the world in general. Pahnke died in 1971, with much of the data from the study lost or still in coded form, which prevented long-term follow up. However, careful research undertaken by Rick Doblin, with the contribution of many of the original participants, allowed for a 25-year follow up survey to be administered. “Everyone I talked to who had the psilocybin felt after 25 years of reflection that the experience was a genuine mystical experience," Doblin says. "It was a clear viewing of some ultimate level of reality that had a long-term positive impact on their lives" (Winslow, 2006). Therefore, this study reveals that Pahnke’s original hypothesis had merit; not only could psilocybin act as an ethneogen, but the mystical experiences due to the psilocybin resulted in persisting positive changes in attitudes and behavior.

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In any event, the Book of Revelation has been used to produce some of the silliest and most contradictory nonsense ever associated with the Bible. Try to reconcile all the sectarian interpretations over the years. You can't. The best interpretation is the historical approach wherein it's understood as a concocted fantasy to attack enemies and defend friends, just like so many other "sacred" texts that have come to be revered. No broader or more esoteric understanding is required. This is an instance where Umberto Eco's quip from Foucault's Pendulum comes to mind:

"Whenever a poet or preacher, chief or wizard spouts gibberish, the human race spends centuries deciphering the message."

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Satan tries his best to mimic GOD. That is what Satan does. He wants to manipulate humans. He uses everything at his disposal --- that is what Satan is all about. Even the Greek sibyls were exposed to various forms of abuse ---- just like the movie moguls in Hollywood. And I believe Satan does even attempt to use the Bible to both confuse and construct false doctrine; as well as, fabricate fake scripture in his attempt to exert his own influence over the lost.

GOD uses the the Holy Spirit. He doesn't need alcohol, sex, or various drugs to illustrate and present His Divine will. And it is the only God's Divine desire that achieves ultimate eternal success.


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LittleNipper wrote:
Satan tries his best to mimic GOD. That is what Satan does. He wants to manipulate humans. He uses everything at his disposal --- that is what Satan is all about. Even the Greek sibyls were exposed to various forms of abuse ---- just like the movie moguls in Hollywood. And I believe Satan does even attempt to use the Bible to both confuse and construct false doctrine; as well as, fabricate fake scripture in his attempt to exert his own influence over the lost.

GOD uses the the Holy Spirit. He doesn't need alcohol, sex, or various drugs to achieve His Divine will. And it is the only God's Divine desire that achieves ultimate eternal success.


I love the Satan talk. Very scary! Oooooh, I'm feeling possessed! :eek: You must enjoy Halloween all year around with Holy Ghosts and Devils! How old are you, Nipper? :lol: Tell us some more tall tales about Bible superheroes. They were really big before comic books but served the same purpose, apparently.

I guess it's the will of God that Christians be totally confused and at war with each other. That must be his Divine Desire, eh? Seems like a very confused person, your God. Probably because he was made in the image of his followers. :lol: Remind me again if there's going to be a rapture or not. Let's see how well God/GOD has communicated.

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Maksutov wrote:
LittleNipper wrote:
Satan tries his best to mimic GOD. That is what Satan does. He wants to manipulate humans. He uses everything at his disposal --- that is what Satan is all about. Even the Greek sibyls were exposed to various forms of abuse ---- just like the movie moguls in Hollywood. And I believe Satan does even attempt to use the Bible to both confuse and construct false doctrine; as well as, fabricate fake scripture in his attempt to exert his own influence over the lost.

GOD uses the the Holy Spirit. He doesn't need alcohol, sex, or various drugs to achieve His Divine will. And it is the only God's Divine desire that achieves ultimate eternal success.


I love the Satan talk. Very scary! Oooooh, I'm feeling possessed! :eek: You must enjoy Halloween all year around with Holy Ghosts and Devils! How old are you, Nipper? :lol: Tell us some more tall tales about Bible superheroes. They were really big before comic books but served the same purpose, apparently.

I guess it's the will of God that Christians be totally confused and at war with each other. That must be his Divine Desire, eh? Seems like a very confused person, your God. Probably because he was made in the image of his followers. :lol: Remind me again if there's going to be a rapture or not. Let's see how well God/GOD has communicated.


There is going to be a "catching away." In Latin the verb rapiemur which means “to seize, snatch, carry away.” This is the same meaning behind the Greek word that is found in the Bible, harpazo.


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I love the Satan talk. Very scary! Oooooh, I'm feeling possessed! :eek: You must enjoy Halloween all year around with Holy Ghosts and Devils! How old are you, Nipper? :lol: Tell us some more tall tales about Bible superheroes. They were really big before comic books but served the same purpose, apparently.

I guess it's the will of God that Christians be totally confused and at war with each other. That must be his Divine Desire, eh? Seems like a very confused person, your God. Probably because he was made in the image of his followers. :lol: Remind me again if there's going to be a rapture or not. Let's see how well God/GOD has communicated.


There is going to be a "catching away." In Latin the verb rapiemur which means “to seize, snatch, carry away.” This is the same meaning behind the Greek word that is found in the Bible, harpazo.


That must be the televangelists snatching away the money of the simpletons who believe their nonsense. :lol: The Rapture of the Dollars, or How Kenneth Copeland Became Filthy Rich on Jesus.

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Revelation 9:1-21

The 5th angel blew his shofar; and I observed a star that had fallen out of heaven onto the earth, and the angel was given the key to the shaft leading down to the Abyss.

He opened the shaft of the Abyss, and there escaped smoke from the shaft like the smoke of a huge furnace; the sun was being obscured, and the sky also, by the smoke from the shaft.

Then out of the smoke upon the earth arrived locusts, and they were given power like the power scorpions have on earth.

They were instructed not to harm the grass on the earth, any green plant or any tree, but only people who did not possess the seal of God on their foreheads.

The locusts were not allowed to kill them, only to inflict pain on them 5 months; and the pain they caused was like the pain of a scorpion sting.

At this time people will seek death but will not find it; they will long to die, but death will elude them.

Now these locusts resembled horses outfitted for battle. On their heads were what looked like crowns of gold, and their faces were like human faces.

They had hair like women’s hair, and their teeth were like those of lions.

Their chests were like iron breastplates, and the sound their wings made was like the roar of many horses and chariots rushing into battle.

They had tails like those of scorpions, with stings; and in their tails was their power to hurt people for five months.

They had as king over them the angel of the Abyss, whose Hebrew name is “Abaddon” and in our language, “Destroyer.”

The first misery has passed, but there are still two to come.

The sixth angel sounded his shofar, and I heard a voice from the 4 horns of the gold altar before God,

saying to the sixth angel with the shofar, “Release the 4 angels that are bound at the great river Euphrates!”

And they were released. These 4 angels had been held ready for this exact moment --- this day and month and year, to kill a third of mankind;

and the number of cavalry soldiers was 200,000,000! I heard the number.

Here is how the horses looked in the vision: the riders had breastplates that were fire-red, iris-blue and sulfur-yellow; the horses’ heads were like lions’ heads; and from their mouths issued fire, smoke and sulfur.

It was these 3 plagues that killed a third of mankind — the fire, smoke and sulfur issuing from the horses’ mouths.

For the might of the horses was in their mouths and also in their tails --- since their tails were like snakes with heads, and with them they could cause injury.

The remainder of humanity, those who were not killed by these plagues, even then would not turn from what they designed with their own hands — they did not stop worshipping demons and idols made of gold, silver, bronze, stone and wood, which cannot see or hear or walk.

Nor did they turn from their murdering, their involvement with the occult and with drugs, sexual immorality or their stealing.

Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

1 And the fifth messenger did sound, and I saw a star out of the heaven having fallen to the earth, and there was given to it the key of the pit of the abyss,

2 and he did open the pit of the abyss, and there came up a smoke out of the pit as smoke of a great furnace, and darkened was the sun and the air, from the smoke of the pit.

3 And out of the smoke came forth locusts to the earth, and there was given to them authority, as scorpions of the earth have authority,

4 and it was said to them that they may not injure the grass of the earth, nor any green thing, nor any tree, but -- the men only who have not the seal of God upon their foreheads,

5 and it was given to them that they may not kill them, but that they may be tormented five months, and their torment [is] as the torment of a scorpion, when it may strike a man;

6 and in those days shall men seek the death, and they shall not find it, and they shall desire to die, and the death shall flee from them.

7 And the likenesses of the locusts [are] like to horses made ready to battle, and upon their heads as crowns like gold, and their faces as faces of men,

8 and they had hair as hair of women, and their teeth were as [those] of lions,

9 and they had breastplates as breastplates of iron, and the noise of their wings [is] as the noise of chariots of many horses running to battle;

10 and they have tails like to scorpions, and stings were in their tails; and their authority [is] to injure men five months;

11 and they have over them a king -- the messenger of the abyss -- a name [is] to him in Hebrew, Abaddon, and in the Greek he hath a name, Apollyon.

12 The first wo did go forth, lo, there come yet two woes after these things.

13 And the sixth messenger did sound, and I heard a voice out of the four horns of the altar of gold that is before God,

14 saying to the sixth messenger who had the trumpet, `Loose the four messengers who are bound at the great river Euphrates;'

15 and loosed were the four messengers, who have been made ready for the hour, and day, and month, and year, that they may kill the third of men;

16 and the number of the forces of the horsemen [is] two myriads of myriads, and I heard the number of them.

17 And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and those sitting upon them, having breastplates of fire, and jacinth, and brimstone; and the heads of the horses [are] as heads of lions, and out of their mouths proceedeth fire, and smoke, and brimstone;

18 by these three were the third of men killed, from the fire, and from the smoke, and from the brimstone, that is proceeding out of their mouth,

19 for their authorities are in their mouth, and in their tails, for their tails [are] like serpents, having heads, and with them they do injure;

20 and the rest of men, who were not killed in these plagues, neither did reform from the works of their hands, that they may not bow before the demons, and idols, those of gold, and those of silver, and those of brass, and those of stone, and those of wood, that are neither able to see, nor to hear, nor to walk,

21 yea they did not reform from their murders, nor from their sorceries, nor from their whoredoms, nor from their thefts.


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