Culture Vs. Doctrine

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The church's hatred of communism.


Do you like communism? I never met someone who would call themselves a true communist. A lot of people at least try to claim they know a way to instiutionalize some utopic socialism without it turning into communism, which is impossible in my view.

I guess that was one of the things I liked best about the modern Church leaders. The law of consecration always scared me, not because I have more than most which I don't, but because I know the result is more often than not equal poverty. Envy is much easier to live with than deprivation.
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While there may not be any hard and fast evidence in regards to the kids being "commanded" to get married early and pop out kids quick, there is a "cultural" feeling that since they heard it fall from the lips of one of the lord's anointed, that is close enough to revelation or commandment.


I think the fact that they want more LDS offspring is a given, though I do think they want to keep people wealthy enough so that they're paying a descent tithe. I don' t see how impoverished people can make the Church much money. This makes me wonder if they counsel people in Third World countries to multiply and replenish the earth as well. I'm guessing more money goes into those countries than comes out. Having been there it'd be hard to imagine it any other way.

Angel Abrea, a seventy, once had all the young men who had been back from their mission over a year stand up in a stake conference in Mexico. Then he said for all those that were married to sit down. Then he told the young ladies to please not date or marry the ones standing because they were worthless and a menace to society.
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ajax18 wrote:
While there may not be any hard and fast evidence in regards to the kids being "commanded" to get married early and pop out kids quick, there is a "cultural" feeling that since they heard it fall from the lips of one of the lord's anointed, that is close enough to revelation or commandment.


I think the fact that they want more LDS offspring is a given, though I do think they want to keep people wealthy enough so that they're paying a descent tithe. I don' t see how impoverished people can make the Church much money. This makes me wonder if they counsel people in Third World countries to multiply and replenish the earth as well. I'm guessing more money goes into those countries than comes out. Having been there it'd be hard to imagine it any other way.

Angel Abrea, a seventy, once had all the young men who had been back from their mission over a year stand up in a stake conference in Mexico. Then he said for all those that were married to sit down. Then he told the young ladies to please not date or marry the ones standing because they were worthless and a menace to society.


Well, Bro Abrea just changed Brigham's pronouncement then. According to Brigham, a man had until 27 before he became a menace to society. Another example of the culture responding to societal pressure?
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Re: Principle with a promise

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Gazelam wrote:Image

You are missing the point vegas. The promises made in the Temple in the Marriage Covenant are all attached to obedience to the principles taught. If th ecouple fails to pray together, to practice their religion together, to fall sway to the attitudes of the world, then all of the promises made to them are of no force. (D&C 132:25-27.)

The priesthod and all of its ordinances are exalting only if they are practised. A man may be baptised and go through the temple, but if is wicked in his heart and is not obedient and is a liar, then the Holy Spirit will never seal the ordinance and he will be damned.

Gaz


Damn, that's an easy out. Theres always a catch, isn't there?
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Re: Your wrong

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Jason Bourne wrote:
VegasRefugee wrote:
Gazelam wrote:Image

I believe that no worthy young Latter-day Saint man or woman should spare any reasonable effort to come to a house of the Lord to begin life together. The marriage vows taken in these hallowed places and the sacred covenants entered into for time and all eternity are proof against many of the temptations of life that tend to break homes and destroy happiness....

The blessings and promises that come from beginning life together, for time and eternity, in a temple of the Lord, cannot be obtained in any other way and worthy young Latter-day Saint men and women who so begin life together find that their eternal partnership under the everlasting covenant becomes the foundation upon which are built peace, happiness, virtue, love, and all of the other eternal verities of life, here and hereafter.

Heber J. Grant, April, 1936


If a temple marriage is the best way to avoid divorce then why are the number of divorces just as high or higher than those who marry outside the temple?

The argument is flawed by admissions from your own church.


I believe you are incorrect. Last I heard temple marriages ran around 12% ending in divorce. Much much lower then those out of the temple. Can you provide evidence contrary?


Several times while LDS I was told by stake presidents and an area authority that the divorce rates were at or higher than non Mormon marriages.

So unless you have acual statistics it looks like its your word against mine.
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Re: Culture Vs. Doctrine

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leeirons wrote:Using honest introspection, what are some claims or complaints that you have (i.e. against the Church of Jesus Christ of Letter-day Saints and anything that has been related to it) that are probably cultural in nature, and not doctrinal? In other words, what are some beliefs or practices among Mormons that you disagree with that should be attributed to cultural norms that developed within a relatively isolated community, and should not be blamed on falsified doctrinal revelations from God (assuming he exists at all)?


I really do not see a difference. Cultural pressure comes from doctrine. The culture will always identify a scriptural basis for whatever they want to force on its subjects. Doctrine in the church comes literally from the culture of the church.

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