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 Post subject: Re: Bible verse by verse
PostPosted: Sun Jun 11, 2017 8:30 am 
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Funny how the letter to Romans contradicts this letter on the subject of secular authority. Romans says submit, this one says don't. Paul was clearly winging it. :wink: Or his words were written by various people as many scholars think.

I see them both saying the very same thing. Where God is concerned ---- HE comes first, otherwise, one should by be submissive to the authorities. And the authorities are subjugated to GOD. And Paul here is clearly speaking of influencing others into become saved. Christians are to live by example to the unsaved.

GOD or God? It's really hard to follow what I think you intend as logical statements when you can't control your caps key.

My explanation makes much more sense, especially when it's known that much of what is attributed to Paul was never written by him. But that's true of most of the Bible, of course. :wink:

As to Paul's actual preaching and theology, I have to wonder why no one is asking this?

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 Post subject: Re: Bible verse by verse
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Maksutov wrote:
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I see them both saying the very same thing. Where God is concerned ---- HE comes first, otherwise, one should by be submissive to the authorities. And the authorities are subjugated to GOD. And Paul here is clearly speaking of influencing others into become saved. Christians are to live by example to the unsaved.

GOD or God? It's really hard to follow what I think you intend as logical statements when you can't control your caps key.

My explanation makes much more sense, especially when it's known that much of what is attributed to Paul was never written by him. But that's true of most of the Bible, of course. :wink:

As to Paul's actual preaching and theology, I have to wonder why no one is asking this?
Let's just say, that if you don't accept Jesus as your personal savior, and place your faith in Him and Him alone, you will one day know exactly what He went through --- but for all eternity bearing the full punishment for only your own sin. :eek:

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 Post subject: Re: Bible verse by verse
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--- but for all eternity bearing the full punishment for only your own sin. :eek:

do you fear of hell ?

then you are already in !

that's only you can do; menace us...

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 Post subject: Re: Bible verse by verse
PostPosted: Sun Jun 11, 2017 10:55 pm 
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Maksutov wrote:
Funny how the letter to Romans contradicts this letter on the subject of secular authority. Romans says submit, this one says don't. Paul was clearly winging it. :wink: Or his words were written by various people as many scholars think.

there are not scholars who think different people wrote Romans and first Corinthians. The very definition of Paul is that guy who wrote Roman Galatians and the Corinthian letters. It is that unity which allows argument that somebody else wrote Timothy.

At least I think you would have to really search to find an outlier who thinks otherwise.

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It is not Paul who specializes in Chick theology. Paul speaks of sharing a new life in God.

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 Post subject: Re: Bible verse by verse
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1 Corinthians 11:1-34

Imitators of me, try rather to imitate the Messiah as I try.

Now I praise you because you have remembered everything I told you and observe the traditions just the way I passed them on to you.

But I want you to understand that the leader of every man is the Messiah, and the leader of a wife is her husband, and the Messiah is lead by God.

Every man who prays or prophesies wearing something down over his head brings shame upon his head,

but every woman who prays or prophesies with her head unveiled brings shame to her head — there is no difference between her and a woman who has had her head shaved.

For if a woman is not veiled, let her also wear her hair shorted; but if it is shameful for a woman to wear her hair cut short or to have her head shaved, then let her be veiled.

For a man indeed should not have his head veiled, because he is the image and glory of God, and the woman is the glory of man.

For man was not made from woman, but woman from man;

and indeed man was not created for the sake of the woman but woman for man's sake.

The reason a woman should demonstrate by veiling her head that she is under authority has to do with the angels.

Nevertheless, in union with the Lord neither is woman independent of man nor is man independent of woman;

for as the woman was made from the man, so also the man is now born through the woman. But everything comes from God.

Decide for yourselves: is it appropriate for a woman to pray to God when she is unveiled?

Doesn’t the nature of things itself teach you that a man who wears his hair long degrades himself?

But a woman who wears her hair long enhances her appearance, because her hair has been given to her as a veil.

However, if anyone wishes to argue concerning it, the fact remains that we have no such custom, nor do the Messianic communities of God.

But in giving you this next instruction I do not praise you, because when you meet together it does more harm than good!

For, in the first place, I hear that when you gather together as a congregation you divide up into cliques; and to a point I can believe it.

Granted that there must be some divisions among you in order to show whose correct.

Thus, when you gather together, it is not to eat a meal sponsored by the Lord;

because as you eat your meal, each one moves ahead on his own; so that one stays hungry while another is already drunk!

Don’t you have homes to eat and drink in? Or are you trying to show your contempt for God’s Messianic community and embarrass those who have little? What am I supposed to say to you? Am I supposed to praise you? For such I don’t praise you!

For what I received from the Lord is just what I passed on to you — that the Lord Jesus, on the night he was betrayed, took bread;

and after he had made made a blessing he broke it and said, “This is my body, which is for you. Do this as a memorial of me”;

likewise also the cup after the meal, saying, “This cup is the New Covenant effected by my blood; do this, as often as you drink it, as a memorial of me.”

So when you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the death of the Lord, until He shows up.

Therefore, whoever eats the Lord’s bread or drinks the Lord’s cup in an unworthy manner will be guilty of disrespecting the body and blood of the Lord!

So let a person examine himself first, and then he may eat of the bread and drink from the cup;

for a person who eats and drinks without recognizing the body eats and drinks judgment upon himself.

This is why many among you are weak and sick, and some have died!

If we would examine ourselves, we would not come under judgment.

But when we are judged by the Lord, we are being disciplined. We will not be condemned along with the lost.

So then, brethren, when you gather together to eat, wait for one another.

If someone is hungry, he should eat at home, so that when you gather together it will not result in judgment.

As for the other matters, I will instruct you about them when I come.
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1 Followers of me become ye, as I also [am] of Christ.

2 And I praise you, brethren, that in all things ye remember me, and according as I did deliver to you, the deliverances ye keep,

3 and I wish you to know that of every man the head is the Christ, and the head of a woman is the husband, and the head of Christ is God.

4 Every man praying or prophesying, having the head covered, doth dishonour his head,

5 and every woman praying or prophesying with the head uncovered, doth dishonour her own head, for it is one and the same thing with her being shaven,

6 for if a woman is not covered -- then let her be shorn, and if [it is] a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven -- let her be covered;

7 for a man, indeed, ought not to cover the head, being the image and glory of God, and a woman is the glory of a man,

8 for a man is not of a woman, but a woman [is] of a man,

9 for a man also was not created because of the woman, but a woman because of the man;

10 because of this the woman ought to have [a token of] authority upon the head, because of the messengers;

11 but neither [is] a man apart from a woman, nor a woman apart from a man, in the Lord,

12 for as the woman [is] of the man, so also the man [is] through the woman, and the all things [are] of God.

13 In your own selves judge ye; is it seemly for a woman uncovered to pray to God?

14 doth not even nature itself teach you, that if a man indeed have long hair, a dishonour it is to him?

15 and a woman, if she have long hair, a glory it is to her, because the hair instead of a covering hath been given to her;

16 and if any one doth think to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the assemblies of God.

17 And this declaring, I give no praise, because not for the better, but for the worse ye come together;

18 for first, indeed, ye coming together in an assembly, I hear of divisions being among you, and partly I believe [it],

19 for it behoveth sects also to be among you, that those approved may become manifest among you;

20 ye, then, coming together at the same place -- it is not to eat the Lord's supper;

21 for each his own supper doth take before in the eating, and one is hungry, and another is drunk;

22 why, have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or the assembly of God do ye despise, and shame those not having? what may I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I do not praise!

23 For I -- I received from the Lord that which also I did deliver to you, that the Lord Jesus in the night in which he was delivered up, took bread,

24 and having given thanks, he brake, and said, `Take ye, eat ye, this is my body, that for you is being broken; this do ye -- to the remembrance of me.'

25 In like manner also the cup after the supping, saying, `This cup is the new covenant in my blood; this do ye, as often as ye may drink [it] -- to the remembrance of me;'

26 for as often as ye may eat this bread, and this cup may drink, the death of the Lord ye do shew forth -- till he may come;

27 so that whoever may eat this bread or may drink the cup of the Lord unworthily, guilty he shall be of the body and blood of the Lord:

28 and let a man be proving himself, and so of the bread let him eat, and of the cup let him drink;

29 for he who is eating and drinking unworthily, judgment to himself he doth eat and drink -- not discerning the body of the Lord.

30 Because of this, among you many [are] weak and sickly, and sleep do many;

31 for if ourselves we were discerning, we would not be being judged,

32 and being judged by the Lord, we are chastened, that with the world we may not be condemned;

33 so then, my brethren, coming together to eat, for one another wait ye;

34 and if any one is hungry, at home let him eat, that to judgment ye may not come together; and the rest, whenever I may come, I shall arrange.

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 Post subject: Re: Bible verse by verse
PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2017 9:04 pm 

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1 Corinthians 12:1-31

Brethren, I do not want you to go on being ignorant concerning things of the Spirit.

You realize that when you were pagans, no matter how you felt you were being led, you were being led astray towards idols, which can’t communicate at all.

Therefore, I want to make it clear to you that no one speaking through the Spirit of God ever says, “Jesus is cursed!” and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except through the Holy Spirit.

Now there are different types of gifts, but the same Spirit provides them.

Also there are different ways of serving, but it's the same Lord being served.

And there are different modes of labor, but it is the same God working them all through everyone.

Moreover, to each person is given a peculiar manifestation of the Spirit that will work for the common good.

To one, through the Spirit, is given a word of wisdom; to another, a word of knowledge, in accordance with the same Spirit.

To someone else, faith, through the same Spirit; and to another, gifts of healing, through that Spirit.

To another, the working of miracles; to another, prophecy; to another, the ability to judge between spirits; to another, the ability to speak in different languages; and to yet another, the ability to interpret.

One and the same Spirit is at work in all these things, distributing to each person as He chooses.

For just as the body is one but has many parts; and all the parts of the body, though many, constitute one body; so it is with the Messiah.

For it was by one Spirit that we were all embedded into one body, whether Jews or Gentiles, slaves or free; and we were all given the one Spirit to absorb.

For actually the body is not one part but many.

If the foot says, “I’m not a hand, so I’m not part of the body,” that doesn’t make it not part of the whole.

And if the ear says, “I’m not an eye, so I’m not part of the body,” that doesn’t make it not a part of the whole.

If the whole body were an eye --- could it hear? If it were all hearing ---- could it smell?

But as it is, God arranged each of the parts in the body exactly as He desired them.

Now if they were all just one part, would there be a body at all?

But as it is, there are indeed many parts, yet just one body.

So the eye cannot say to the hand, “I don’t need you”; or the head to the feet, “You're unnecessary.”

Quite the contrary, the parts of the body that seem to be less important turn out to be all the more valuable;

and upon body parts which we consider less dignified we bestow greater dignity; and the parts that aren’t attractive are the ones we make as attractive as possible,

while our attractive parts have no need of such treatment. Honestly, God has put the body together in such a way that He gives greater dignity to the parts that lack it,

So that there will be no disagreements within the body, but rather all the parts will be equally concerned for all the others.

So if one part suffers, all the parts are affected; and if one part is honored, all the parts rejoice.

Now together you form the body of the Messiah, and individually you are parts of it.

And God has placed in the Messianic Community first, apostles; second, prophets; third, teachers; then those who work miracles; then those with gifts of healing; those with ability to help; those skilled in administration; and those who speak in various languages.

Not everyone is an apostle, are they? Not all are prophets, are they -- or teachers -- or miracle-workers? Not all possess gifts of healing, not all speak in tongues, or interpret, do they?

Eagerly seek the more important gifts. But now I will show you the best way of all.

Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

1 And concerning the spiritual things, brethren, I do not wish you to be ignorant;

2 ye have known that ye were nations, unto the dumb idols -- as ye were led -- being carried away;

3 wherefore, I give you to understand that no one, in the Spirit of God speaking, saith Jesus [is] anathema, and no one is able to say Jesus [is] Lord, except in the Holy Spirit.

4 And there are diversities of gifts, and the same Spirit;

5 and there are diversities of ministrations, and the same Lord;

6 and there are diversities of workings, and it is the same God -- who is working the all in all.

7 And to each hath been given the manifestation of the Spirit for profit;

8 for to one through the Spirit hath been given a word of wisdom, and to another a word of knowledge, according to the same Spirit;

9 and to another faith in the same Spirit, and to another gifts of healings in the same Spirit;

10 and to another in-workings of mighty deeds; and to another prophecy; and to another discernings of spirits; and to another [divers] kinds of tongues; and to another interpretation of tongues:

11 and all these doth work the one and the same Spirit, dividing to each severally as he intendeth.

12 For, even as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of the one body, being many, are one body, so also [is] the Christ,

13 for also in one Spirit we all to one body were baptized, whether Jews or Greeks, whether servants or freemen, and all into one Spirit were made to drink,

14 for also the body is not one member, but many;

15 if the foot may say, `Because I am not a hand, I am not of the body;' it is not, because of this, not of the body;

16 and if the ear may say, `Because I am not an eye, I am not of the body;' it is not, because of this, not of the body?

17 If the whole body [were] an eye, where the hearing? if the whole hearing, where the smelling?

18 and now, God did set the members each one of them in the body, according as He willed,

19 and if all were one member, where the body?

20 and now, indeed, [are] many members, and one body;

21 and an eye is not able to say to the hand, `I have no need of thee;' nor again the head to the feet, `I have no need of you.'

22 But much more the members of the body which seem to be more infirm are necessary,

23 and those that we think to be less honourable of the body, around these we put more abundant honour, and our unseemly things have seemliness more abundant,

24 and our seemly things have no need; but God did temper the body together, to the lacking part having given more abundant honour,

25 that there may be no division in the body, but that the members may have the same anxiety for one another,

26 and whether one member doth suffer, suffer with [it] do all the members, or one member is glorified, rejoice with [it] do all the members;

27 and ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.

28 And some, indeed, did God set in the assembly, first apostles, secondly prophets, thirdly teachers, afterwards powers, afterwards gifts of healings, helpings, governings, divers kinds of tongues;

29 [are] all apostles? [are] all prophets? [are] all teachers? [are] all powers?

30 have all gifts of healings? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?

31 and desire earnestly the better gifts; and yet a far excelling way do I shew to you:

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1 Corinthians 13:1-13

I may speak a variety of language, or even as angels; but if I have no love, I have become merely blaring brass or a clashing cymbal.

I may have the gift of prophecy, I may fathom all mysteries, know everything, have all faith — enough to move mountains; but if I lack love, I'm of no value.

I could give away everything I own, I even hand over my body to be torched; but if I lack love, I've achieved nothing.

Love is patient and kind, not jealous, not boastful,

not proud, rude or selfish, not easily agitated, and it keeps no list of wrongs.

Love does not gloat over other people’s failing/sin but delights in the truth.

Love always uplifts, trusts, hopes, persists.

Love never ends; but prophecies will stop, tongues will be taken away, knowledge will be discontinued.

For our knowledge is, and our prophecy is limited;

but when perfection arrives, what is limited will pass.

When I was a child, spoke, thought, and argued like a child; now that I have become an adult, I have finished with childish behavior.

For now we see distortion reflected, but finally it will be face to face. Now I have limited knowledge; then I will know fully, just as God has fully recognized me.

But presently, 3 things endure — trust, hope, and love. The most valuable of these is love.

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1 If with the tongues of men and of messengers I speak, and have not love, I have become brass sounding, or a cymbal tinkling;

2 and if I have prophecy, and know all the secrets, and all the knowledge, and if I have all the faith, so as to remove mountains, and have not love, I am nothing;

3 and if I give away to feed others all my goods, and if I give up my body that I may be burned, and have not love, I am profited nothing.

4 The love is long-suffering, it is kind, the love doth not envy, the love doth not vaunt itself, is not puffed up,

5 doth not act unseemly, doth not seek its own things, is not provoked, doth not impute evil,

6 rejoiceth not over the unrighteousness, and rejoiceth with the truth;

7 all things it beareth, all it believeth, all it hopeth, all it endureth.

8 The love doth never fail; and whether [there be] prophecies, they shall become useless; whether tongues, they shall cease; whether knowledge, it shall become useless;

9 for in part we know, and in part we prophecy;

10 and when that which is perfect may come, then that which [is] in part shall become useless.

11 When I was a babe, as a babe I was speaking, as a babe I was thinking, as a babe I was reasoning, and when I have become a man, I have made useless the things of the babe;

12 for we see now through a mirror obscurely, and then face to face; now I know in part, and then I shall fully know, as also I was known;

13 and now there doth remain faith, hope, love -- these three; and the greatest of these [is] love.

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This is one of those rare parts of the Bible that is genuinely uplifting and beautiful:


I may speak a variety of language, or even as angels; but if I have no love, I have become merely blaring brass or a clashing cymbal.

I may have the gift of prophecy, I may fathom all mysteries, know everything, have all faith — enough to move mountains; but if I lack love, I'm of no value.

I could give away everything I own, I even hand over my body to be torched; but if I lack love, I've achieved nothing.

Love is patient and kind, not jealous, not boastful,

not proud, rude or selfish, not easily agitated, and it keeps no list of wrongs.

Love does not gloat over other people’s failing/sin but delights in the truth.

Love always uplifts, trusts, hopes, persists.

Love never ends; but prophecies will stop, tongues will be taken away, knowledge will be discontinued.



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Maksutov wrote:
This is one of those rare parts of the Bible that is genuinely uplifting and beautiful:


I may speak a variety of language, or even as angels; but if I have no love, I have become merely blaring brass or a clashing cymbal.

I may have the gift of prophecy, I may fathom all mysteries, know everything, have all faith — enough to move mountains; but if I lack love, I'm of no value.

I could give away everything I own, I even hand over my body to be torched; but if I lack love, I've achieved nothing.

Love is patient and kind, not jealous, not boastful,

not proud, rude or selfish, not easily agitated, and it keeps no list of wrongs.

Love does not gloat over other people’s failing/sin but delights in the truth.

Love always uplifts, trusts, hopes, persists.

Love never ends; but prophecies will stop, tongues will be taken away, knowledge will be discontinued.



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1 Corinthians 14:1-40

Pursue love! However, keep on eagerly seeking the things of the Spirit; and especially seek to be able to prophesy.

For someone speaking in a tongue is not speaking to people but to God, because no one can comprehend, since he is uttering mysteries in the power of the Spirit.

But someone prophesying is speaking to people, edifying, encouraging and comforting them.

A person speaking in a tongue edifies himself, but a person prophesying edifies the congregation.

I wish you would all speak in tongues, but even more I wish you would all prophesy. The person who prophesies is greater than the person who speaks in tongues, unless someone provides interpretation, so that the congregation can be edified.

Brethren, say I appoach you now speaking in tongues. How can I be of benefit to you unless I bring you some revelation or knowledge or prophecy or teaching?

Even with lifeless musical instruments, such as a flute or a harp, how will anyone recognize the melody if all notes are the same?

And if the bugle gives an unclear sound, who will get ready for battle?

It’s the same regarding you: how will anyone know what you are saying unless you use your tongue to produce intelligible speech? You will be talking to the air!

There are undoubtedly all kinds of sounds in the world, and none is altogether meaningless;

but if I don’t know what a person’s sounds mean, I will be a foreigner to the speaker and the speaker will be a foreigner to me.

Likewise with you: since you eagerly seek the things of the Spirit, seek especially what will help in edifying the congregation.

Therefore someone who speaks in a tongue should pray for the power to interpret.

For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit does pray, but my mind is unproductive.

So, what about it? I will pray with my spirit, but I will also pray with my mind; I will sing with my spirit, but I will also sing with my mind.

Otherwise, if you are giving thanks with your spirit, how will someone who has not yet received much instruction be able to say, “So be it,” when you have finished giving thanks, since he doesn't comprehend?

For undoubtedly you are giving thanks very nicely, but the other person is not being edified.

I thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you,

but in a congregation meeting I would rather say 5 words with my mind in order to instruct others than 10,000 words in a tongue!

Brethren, don’t be children in your thinking. In evil, be like infants; but in your thinking, mature.

In the Law it is written, “By other tongues, by the lips of foreigner, I will speak to this people. But even then they will not listen to Me,” says the Lord.

So tongues are a sign not for believers but for unbelievers, while prophecy is not for unbelievers but for believers.

So if the whole congregation comes together with everybody speaking in tongues, and uninstructed people or unbelievers come in, won’t they say you’re nuts?

But if you all prophesy, and some unbeliever or uninstructed person enters, he is convicted of sin and brought under judgment everyone,

and the secrets of his heart are exposed; so he falls on his face and worships God, saying, “God is really here among you!”

What is our conclusion, brethren? Whenever you come together, let everyone be ready with a song or a teaching or a revelation, or ready to use his gift of tongues or give an interpretation; but let everything be for guidance.

If the gift of tongues is exercised, let it be by 2 or at most 3, and each in turn; and let someone interpret.

And if there is no one present who can interpret, let the people who speak in tongues keep silent when the congregation meets — they can speak to themselves and to God.

Let 2 or 3 prophets speak, while the others ponder what is said.

And if something is revealed to a prophet who is seated, let the first one be silent.

For you can all prophesy one by one, with the result that all will learn something and all will be encouraged.

Also, the prophets’ spirits are under the prophets’ control;

for God is not a God of chaos but of peace.

As in all the congregations of God’s people,

let the wives remain silent when the congregation meets; they are certainly not permitted to speak out. Rather, let them remain subordinate, as also the Law says;

and if there is something they want to know, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is shameful for a woman to blurt out during a congregational meeting.

Did the word of God originate with you? Or are you the only people it has reached?

If anyone thinks he is a prophet or is endowed with the Spirit, let him acknowledge that what I am writing you is a command of the Lord.

But if someone doesn’t recognize this, then let him remain unrecognized.

So, brethren, eagerly seek to prophesy; and do not forbid speaking in tongues;

but let all things be done in a proper and orderly way.

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1 Pursue the love, and seek earnestly the spiritual things, and rather that ye may prophecy,

2 for he who is speaking in an [unknown] tongue -- to men he doth not speak, but to God, for no one doth hearken, and in spirit he doth speak secrets;

3 and he who is prophesying to men doth speak edification, and exhortation, and comfort;

4 he who is speaking in an [unknown] tongue, himself doth edify, and he who is prophesying, an assembly doth edify;

5 and I wish you all to speak with tongues, and more that ye may prophecy, for greater is he who is prophesying than he who is speaking with tongues, except one may interpret, that the assembly may receive edification.

6 And now, brethren, if I may come unto you speaking tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either in revelation, or in knowledge, or in prophesying, or in teaching?

7 yet the things without life giving sound -- whether pipe or harp -- if a difference in the sounds they may not give, how shall be known that which is piped or that which is harped?

8 for if also an uncertain sound a trumpet may give, who shall prepare himself for battle?

9 so also ye, if through the tongue, speech easily understood ye may not give -- how shall that which is spoken be known? for ye shall be speaking to air.

10 There are, it may be, so many kinds of voices in the world, and none of them is unmeaning,

11 if, then, I do not know the power of the voice, I shall be to him who is speaking a foreigner, and he who is speaking, is to me a foreigner;

12 so also ye, since ye are earnestly desirous of spiritual gifts, for the building up of the assembly seek that ye may abound;

13 wherefore he who is speaking in an [unknown] tongue -- let him pray that he may interpret;

14 for if I pray in an [unknown] tongue, my spirit doth pray, and my understanding is unfruitful.

15 What then is it? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray also with the understanding; I will sing psalms with the spirit, and I will sing psalms also with the understanding;

16 since, if thou mayest bless with the spirit, he who is filling the place of the unlearned, how shall he say the Amen at thy giving of thanks, since what thou dost say he hath not known?

17 for thou, indeed, dost give thanks well, but the other is not built up!

18 I give thanks to my God -- more than you all with tongues speaking --

19 but in an assembly I wish to speak five words through my understanding, that others also I may instruct, rather than myriads of words in an [unknown] tongue.

20 Brethren, become not children in the understanding, but in the evil be ye babes, and in the understanding become ye perfect;

21 in the law it hath been written, that, `With other tongues and with other lips I will speak to this people, and not even so will they hear Me, saith the Lord;'

22 so that the tongues are for a sign, not to the believing, but to the unbelieving; and the prophesy [is] not for the unbelieving, but for the believing,

23 If, therefore, the whole assembly may come together, to the same place, and all may speak with tongues, and there may come in unlearned or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?

24 and if all may prophecy, and any one may come in, an unbeliever or unlearned, he is convicted by all, he is discerned by all,

25 and so the secrets of his heart become manifest, and so having fallen upon [his] face, he will bow before God, declaring that God really is among you.

26 What then is it, brethren? whenever ye may come together, each of you hath a psalm, hath a teaching, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation? let all things be for building up;

27 if an [unknown] tongue any one do speak, by two, or at the most, by three, and in turn, and let one interpret;

28 and if there may be no interpreter, let him be silent in an assembly, and to himself let him speak, and to God.

29 And prophets -- let two or three speak, and let the others discern,

30 and if to another sitting [anything] may be revealed, let the first be silent;

31 for ye are able, one by one, all to prophesy, that all may learn, and all may be exhorted,

32 and the spiritual gift of prophets to prophets are subject,

33 for God is not [a God] of tumult, but of peace, as in all the assemblies of the saints.

34 Your women in the assemblies let them be silent, for it hath not been permitted to them to speak, but to be subject, as also the law saith;

35 and if they wish to learn anything, at home their own husbands let them question, for it is a shame to women to speak in an assembly.

36 From you did the word of God come forth? or to you alone did it come?

37 if any one doth think to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge the things that I write to you -- that of the Lord they are commands;

38 and if any one is ignorant -- let him be ignorant;

39 so that, brethren, earnestly desire to prophesy, and to speak with tongues do not forbid;

40 let all things be done decently and in order.

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1 Corinthians 15:1-58

Now, brethren, I must remind you of the Good Message which I proclaimed to you, and which you received, and on which you have taken your stand,

and by which you are saved — provided you continue holding fast to the message I proclaimed to you. For if you don’t, your trust will have been in vain.

For among the first things I passed on to you was what I also accepted, namely this: the Messiah died for our sins, in accordance with what the scripture says;

and He was buried; and He was raised on the third day, in accordance with what the scripture says;

and He was observed by Cephas, then by the 12;

and afterwards He was observed by more than 500 brethren at once, the majority of whom are still alive at this time, though some have passed on.

Later he was seen by James, then by all the apostles;

and last of all He was seen by me, even though I was born at the wrong time.

For I am the least of all the apostles, unfit to be even called one, because I persecuted the Messianic Community of God.

But by God’s grace I am what I am, and His grace towards me was not in vain; quite the contrary, I have worked harder than all of them, although it was not my will but the grace of God with me.

Anyhow, whether I or they, this is what we proclaim, and this is what you believed.

But if it has been proclaimed that the Messiah has been raised from the dead, how come some of you are saying there is no such thing as a resurrection of the dead?

If there is no resurrection of the dead, then the Messiah has not risen;

and if the Messiah has not been raised, then what we proclaim is idiotic; also your trust is idiotic;

furthermore, we are then revealed as false witnesses for God in having testified that God raised up the Messiah, whom He did not raise if it is fact that the dead aren't raised.

For if the dead aren't raised, then the Messiah has not been raised either;

and if the Messiah has not been raised, your trust is worthless, and you are still lost in your sins.

Also, if this be the case, those who died in union with the Messiah are lost.

If it is only for this life that we have put our hope in the Messiah, we are more pitiable than anyone.

But the fact is that the Messiah has been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have died.

For since death came through "Adam", also the resurrection of the dead has come through "Jesus".

For just as in connection with Adam all die, so in connection with the Messiah all will be made alive.

But each in his own order: the Messiah is the firstfruits; then those who belong to the Messiah, at the time of His coming;

then the culmination, when He hands over the Kingdom to God the Father, after having put an end to every rulership, yes, to every authority and power.

For He must rule until he puts all his enemies under His feet.

The last enemy to be done away with will be death,

for “He put everything in subjection under his feet.”But when it says that “everything” has been subjected, obviously the word does not include God, who is Himself the one subjecting everything to the Messiah.

Now when everything has been subjected to the Son, then he will subject himself to God, who subjected everything to Him; so that God may be everything in everyone.

Were it otherwise, what would the people accomplish who immersed on behalf of the dead? If the dead are not actually raised, why would anyone bother?

Concerning us , for that matter why do we keep facing danger hour by hour?

Brethren, by the right to be proud which the Messiah Jesus our Lord gives me, I solemnly tell you that I die every day.

If my fighting with “wild beasts” in Ephesus was done merely on a human basis, what do I gain by it? If dead people are not raised, we might as well live by the saying, “Let’s eat and drink, for tomorrow we die!”

Don’t be fooled. “Bad company ruins good character.”

Come to your senses! Live correctly and stop sinning! There are some people who lack knowledge of God — I reveal this to your shame.

But someone will ask, “In what manner are the dead raised? What sort of body do they have?”

Stupid! When you sow a seed, it doesn’t come alive unless it first dies.

Also, what you sow is not the body that will be, but a bare seed of, say, wheat or something else;

but God provides the body He intended for it; and to each kind of seed he gives its own body.

Not all living matter is the same living matter; on the contrary, there is one kind for human beings, another kind of living matter for animals, another for birds and another for fish.

Further, there are heavenly bodies and earthly bodies; but the beauty of heavenly bodies is one thing, while the beauty of earthly bodies is different.

The sun has one style of beauty, the moon another, the stars yet another; indeed, each star has its own individual style of beauty.

So it is with the resurrection of the dead. When the body is “sown,” it rots; when it is raised, it cannot decay.

When sown, it is without dignity; when raised, it will be beautiful. When sown, it is weak; when raised, it will be strong.

When sown, it is an ordinary human body; when raised, it will be a body controlled by the Spirit. If there is an ordinary human body, there is also a body controlled by the Spirit.

In fact, the scripture says: Adam, the first man, became a living human being; but the last “Adam” has become a life-giving Spirit.

Note, however, that the body from the Spirit did not arrive initially, but the ordinary human one; the one from the Spirit comes afterwards.

The 1st man comes from the earth, made of dust; the 2nd man comes from heaven.

People born of dust are like the man of dust, and people born from heaven are like the man from heaven;

and just as we bear the image of the man of dust, so also we will bear the image of the man from heaven.

Let me say this, brethren: flesh and blood cannot share in the Kingdom of God, nor can something that decays share in what does not rot.

Look, I will tell you a secret — not all "believers" will die! But we will all be changed!

It will take but a moment, the blink of an eye, at the final trumpet. For the horn will sound, and the dead will be raised to live forever, and we too will be changed.

For this material which can decay must be clothed with imperishability, this which is mortal must be clothed with immortality.

When what rots puts on imperishability and what is mortal puts on immortality, then this passage in the scripture will be fulfilled: “Death is swallowed up in victory.

“Death, where is your victory? Death, where is your pain?”

The sting of death is sin; and sin draws its power from the Law;

but thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus the Messiah!

So, my dear brethren, stand firm and immovable, always doing the Lord’s work as vigorously as you can, knowing that united with the Lord your efforts are not for nothing.

Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

1 And I make known to you, brethren, the good news that I proclaimed to you, which also ye did receive, in which also ye have stood,

2 through which also ye are being saved, in what words I proclaimed good news to you, if ye hold fast, except ye did believe in vain,

3 for I delivered to you first, what also I did receive, that Christ died for our sins, according to the Writings,

4 and that he was buried, and that he hath risen on the third day, according to the Writings,

5 and that he appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve,

6 afterwards he appeared to above five hundred brethren at once, of whom the greater part remain till now, and certain also did fall asleep;

7 afterwards he appeared to James, then to all the apostles.

8 And last of all -- as to the untimely birth -- he appeared also to me,

9 for I am the least of the apostles, who am not worthy to be called an apostle, because I did persecute the assembly of God,

10 and by the grace of God I am what I am, and His grace that [is] towards me came not in vain, but more abundantly than they all did I labour, yet not I, but the grace of God that [is] with me;

11 whether, then, I or they, so we preach, and so ye did believe.

12 And if Christ is preached, that out of the dead he hath risen, how say certain among you, that there is no rising again of dead persons?

13 and if there be no rising again of dead persons, neither hath Christ risen;

14 and if Christ hath not risen, then void [is] our preaching, and void also your faith,

15 and we also are found false witnesses of God, because we did testify of God that He raised up the Christ, whom He did not raise if then dead persons do not rise;

16 for if dead persons do not rise, neither hath Christ risen,

17 and if Christ hath not risen, vain is your faith, ye are yet in your sins;

18 then, also, those having fallen asleep in Christ did perish;

19 if in this life we have hope in Christ only, of all men we are most to be pitied.

20 And now, Christ hath risen out of the dead -- the first-fruits of those sleeping he became,

21 for since through man [is] the death, also through man [is] a rising again of the dead,

22 for even as in Adam all die, so also in the Christ all shall be made alive,

23 and each in his proper order, a first-fruit Christ, afterwards those who are the Christ's, in his presence,

24 then -- the end, when he may deliver up the reign to God, even the Father, when he may have made useless all rule, and all authority and power --

25 for it behoveth him to reign till he may have put all the enemies under his feet --

26 the last enemy is done away -- death;

27 for all things He did put under his feet, and, when one may say that all things have been subjected, [it is] evident that He is excepted who did subject the all things to him,

28 and when the all things may be subjected to him, then the Son also himself shall be subject to Him, who did subject to him the all things, that God may be the all in all.

29 Seeing what shall they do who are baptized for the dead, if the dead do not rise at all? why also are they baptized for the dead?

30 why also do we stand in peril every hour?

31 Every day do I die, by the glorying of you that I have in Christ Jesus our Lord:

32 if after the manner of a man with wild beasts I fought in Ephesus, what the advantage to me if the dead do not rise? let us eat and drink, for to-morrow we die!

33 Be not led astray; evil communications corrupt good manners;

34 awake up, as is right, and sin not; for certain have an ignorance of God; for shame to you I say [it].

35 But some one will say, `How do the dead rise?

36 unwise! thou -- what thou dost sow is not quickened except it may die;

37 and that which thou dost sow, not the body that shall be dost thou sow, but bare grain, it may be of wheat, or of some one of the others,

38 and God doth give to it a body according as He willed, and to each of the seeds its proper body.

39 All flesh [is] not the same flesh, but there is one flesh of men, and another flesh of beasts, and another of fishes, and another of birds;

40 and [there are] heavenly bodies, and earthly bodies; but one [is] the glory of the heavenly, and another that of the earthly;

41 one glory of sun, and another glory of moon, and another glory of stars, for star from star doth differ in glory.

42 So also [is] the rising again of the dead: it is sown in corruption, it is raised in incorruption;

43 it is sown in dishonour, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power;

44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body; there is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body;

45 so also it hath been written, `The first man Adam became a living creature,' the last Adam [is] for a life-giving spirit,

46 but that which is spiritual [is] not first, but that which [was] natural, afterwards that which [is] spiritual.

47 The first man [is] out of the earth, earthy; the second man [is] the Lord out of heaven;

48 as [is] the earthy, such [are] also the earthy; and as [is] the heavenly, such [are] also the heavenly;

49 and, according as we did bear the image of the earthy, we shall bear also the image of the heavenly.

50 And this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood the reign of God is not able to inherit, nor doth the corruption inherit the incorruption;

51 lo, I tell you a secret; we indeed shall not all sleep, and we all shall be changed;

52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, in the last trumpet, for it shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we -- we shall be changed:

53 for it behoveth this corruptible to put on incorruption, and this mortal to put on immortality;

54 and when this corruptible may have put on incorruption, and this mortal may have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the word that hath been written, `The Death was swallowed up -- to

55 where, O Death, thy sting? where, O Hades, thy victory?'

56 and the sting of the death [is] the sin, and the power of the sin the law;

57 and to God -- thanks, to Him who is giving us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ;

58 so that, my brethren beloved, become ye stedfast, unmovable, abounding in the work of the Lord at all times, knowing that your labour is not vain in the Lord.

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1 Corinthians 16:1-24

Now, in regard to the collection being made for God’s people: you are to do the same as I directed the congregations in Galatia.

Every week, on Sunday, each of you should set some money aside, according to his resources, and save it up; so that when I come I won’t have to do fundraising.

And when I arrive, I will give letters of introduction to the people you have approved, and I will send them to transport your gift to Jerusalem.

If it seems appropriate that I go too, they will go along with me.

I will visit you after I have gone through Macedonia, for I am intending to pass through Macedonia,

and I may stay with you or even spend the winter, so that you may help me continue my travels wherever I may head.

For I don’t want to see you now, when I am only passing through; because I am hoping to spend some time with you, if the Lord permits.

But I will remain at Ephesus until Pentecost,

because a great and important door has opened for my work, and there are many people opposing me.

If Timothy comes, see that he has nothing to be afraid of while he is with you; for he is doing the Lord’s work, just as I am.

So let no one treat him with disrespect. Help him on his way in peace, so that he will return to me, for the brethen and I are expecting him.

As for brother Apollos, I strongly urged him to go and visit you along with the other brethren; and although it was not at all his desire to come at this time, he will come when he has the opportunity.

Stay alert, stand firm in the faith, behave like men, grow strong.

Let everything you do be done in love.

Now, brothers, you know that the household of Stephanas were the first people in Achaia to put their trust in the Messiah, and they have devoted themselves to serving God’s people.

I urge you to submit yourselves to people like these and to everyone who works and toils with them.

I am glad that Stephanas and Fortunatus and Achaicus are here, because they have helped make up for your absence.

They have refreshed my spirit, just as they have yours. I want you to show appreciation for people like these.

The congregations in the province of Asia send greetings to you. Aquila and Priscilla greet you in union with the Lord, as does the congregation that meets in their house.

All the brethren send you their greetings. Greet one another with a holy kiss.

Now, I Paul, greet you in my own handwriting.

If anyone does not love the Lord, a curse on him! Our Lord, come!

May the grace of the Lord Jesus be with you.

My love is with you all, united with the Messiah Jesus.

Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

1 And concerning the collection that [is] for the saints, as I directed to the assemblies of Galatia, so also ye -- do ye;

2 on every first [day] of the week, let each one of you lay by him, treasuring up whatever he may have prospered, that when I may come then collections may not be made;

3 and whenever I may come, whomsoever ye may approve, through letters, these I will send to carry your favour to Jerusalem;

4 and if it be meet for me also to go, with me they shall go.

5 And I will come unto you, when I pass through Macedonia -- for Macedonia I do pass through --

6 and with you, it may be, I will abide, or even winter, that ye may send me forward whithersoever I go,

7 for I do not wish to see you now in the passing, but I hope to remain a certain time with you, if the Lord may permit;

8 and I will remain in Ephesus till the Pentecost,

9 for a door to me hath been opened -- great and effectual -- and withstanders [are] many.

10 And if Timotheus may come, see that he may become without fear with you, for the work of the Lord he doth work, even as I,

11 no one, then, may despise him; and send ye him forward in peace, that he may come to me, for I expect him with the brethren;

12 and concerning Apollos our brother, much I did entreat him that he may come unto you with the brethren, and it was not at all [his] will that he may come now, and he will come when he may find convenient.

13 Watch ye, stand in the faith; be men, be strong;

14 let all your things be done in love.

15 And I entreat you, brethren, ye have known the household of Stephanas, that it is the first-fruit of Achaia, and to the ministration to the saints they did set themselves --

16 that ye also be subject to such, and to every one who is working with [us] and labouring;

17 and I rejoice over the presence of Stephanas, and Fortunatus, and Achaicus, because the lack of you did these fill up;

18 for they did refresh my spirit and yours; acknowledge ye, therefore, those who [are] such.

19 Salute you do the assemblies of Asia; salute you much in the Lord do Aquilas and Priscilla, with the assembly in their house;

20 salute you do all the brethren; salute ye one another in an holy kiss.

21 The salutation of [me] Paul with my hand;

22 if any one doth not love the Lord Jesus Christ -- let him be anathema! The Lord hath come!

23 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ [is] with you;

24 my love [is] with you all in Christ Jesus. Amen.

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2 Corinthians 1:1-24

From: Paul, through God’s will of the Messiah Jesus, and brother Timothy To: God’s Messianic community in Corinth, along with all God’s people throughout Achaia:

Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus the Messiah.

Praised be God, Father of our Lord Jesus the Messiah, compassionate Father, God of all encouragement and comfort;

who encourages us through all our trials, so that we can encourage others in whatever trials they may deal with the same encouragement we ourselves have received from God.

For just as the Messiah’s sufferings overflow into us, so through the Messiah our encouragement also overflows.

So if we have trials, it is for your encouragement and deliverance; and if we are encouraged, that should encourage you when you have to endure sufferings like those we are experiencing.

Additionally, our hope for you remains firm, because we know that as you share in the sufferings, you will also share in the encouragement.

Brethren, we want you to realize the trials we have undergone in the province of Asia. The burden laid on us was so beyond what we could deal with that we even despaired of living through it.

In our hearts we felt we were under sentence of death. However, this was to get us to rely not on ourselves but on God, who raises the dead!

He rescued us from such deadly peril, and he will rescue us again! The one in whom we have placed our hope will indeed continue to save us.

And you must add your help by praying for us; for the more people there are praying, the more people there will be to give thanks when their prayer for us is answered.

For we take pride in this: that our conscience assures us that in our dealings with the world, and especially with you, we have conducted ourselves with frankness and godly pureness of motive — not by worldly wisdom but by God-given grace.

There are no hidden meanings in our letters other than what you can read and understand; and my hope is that you will fully comprehend,

as indeed you have already understood us in part; so that on the Day of our Lord Jesus you can be as proud of us as we are of you.

So sure was I of this that I had planned to come and see you, so that you might have the benefit of a second visit.

I wanted to visit you on my way both to and from Macedonia, and then have you send me on my way to Judah.

Did I make these plans lightly? Or do I make plans the way a worldly man does, ready to say, “Yes, yes,” and “No, no,” at the same time?

As surely as God is trustworthy, we don’t say “Yes” when we mean “No.”

For the Son of God, the Messiah Jesus, who was proclaimed among you through us — that is, through me, Silvanus and Timothy — was not a yes-and-no man; on the contrary, with Him it is always “Yes!”

For however many promises God has made, they all find their “Yes” in connection with Him; that is why it is through Him that we say the “So be it” when we give glory to God.

Additionally, it is God who sets both us and you in firm union with the Messiah; he has anointed us,

placed His seal on us, and given us His Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee for the future.

I call God to witness — He knows what my life is like — that the reason I held back from coming to Corinth was for your consideration!

We are not trying to dictate how you must live out your trust in the Messiah, for in your trust you are holding fast. Rather, we are working with you for your own happiness.

Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ, through the will of God, and Timotheus the brother, to the assembly of God that is in Corinth, with all the saints who are in all Achaia:

2 Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ!

3 Blessed [is] God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of the mercies, and God of all comfort,

4 who is comforting us in all our tribulation, for our being able to comfort those in any tribulation through the comfort with which we are comforted ourselves by God;

5 because, as the sufferings of the Christ do abound to us, so through the Christ doth abound also our comfort;

6 and whether we be in tribulation, [it is] for your comfort and salvation, that is wrought in the enduring of the same sufferings that we also suffer; whether we are comforted, [it is] for your comfort and salvation;

7 and our hope [is] stedfast for you, knowing that even as ye are partakers of the sufferings -- so also of the comfort.

8 For we do not wish you to be ignorant, brethren, of our tribulation that happened to us in Asia, that we were exceedingly burdened above [our] power, so that we despaired even of life;

9 but we ourselves in ourselves the sentence of the death have had, that we may not be trusting on ourselves, but on God, who is raising the dead,

10 who out of so great a death did deliver us, and doth deliver, in whom we have hoped that even yet He will deliver;

11 ye working together also for us by your supplication, that the gift through many persons to us, through many may be thankfully acknowledged for us.

12 For our glorying is this: the testimony of our conscience, that in simplicity and sincerity of God, not in fleshly wisdom, but in the grace of God, we did conduct ourselves in the world, and more abundantly toward you;

13 for no other things do we write to you, but what ye either do read or also acknowledge, and I hope that also unto the end ye shall acknowledge,

14 according as also ye did acknowledge us in part, that your glory we are, even as also ye [are] ours, in the day of the Lord Jesus;

15 and in this confidence I was purposing to come unto you before, that a second favour ye might have,

16 and through you to pass to Macedonia, and again from Macedonia to come unto you, and by you to be sent forward to Judea.

17 This, therefore, counselling, did I then use the lightness; or the things that I counsel, according to the flesh do I counsel, that it may be with me Yes, yes, and No, no?

18 and God [is] faithful, that our word unto you became not Yes and No,

19 for the Son of God, Jesus Christ, among you through us having been preached -- through me and Silvanus and Timotheus -- did not become Yes and No, but in him it hath become Yes;

20 for as many as [are] promises of God, in him [are] the Yes, and in him the Amen, for glory to God through us;

21 and He who is confirming you with us into Christ, and did anoint us, [is] God,

22 who also sealed us, and gave the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.

23 And I for a witness on God do call upon my soul, that sparing you, I came not yet to Corinth;

24 not that we are lords over your faith, but we are workers together with your joy, for by the faith ye stand.

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2 Corinthians 2:1-17

So I made up my mind that I would not pay you another painful visit.

For if I cause you pain, who is left to make me happy except the people I have pained?

Indeed, this is why I wrote as I did — so that when I came, I would not have to be pained by those who ought to be making me happy; for I had enough confidence in all of you to believe that unless I could be happy, none of you could be happy either.

I wrote to you greatly distressed and anguish, and with many tears, not in order to cause you pain, but to get you to realize how very much I love you.

Now if someone has been a cause of pain, it is not I whom he has pained, but, in some measure (I don’t want to exaggerate) all of you.

For such a person the punishment already imposed on him by the majority is enough,

so that now you should do the opposite — forgive him, encourage him, comfort him. Otherwise such a person might be swallowed up in overwhelming depression.

So I urge you to show that you really do love him.

The reason I wrote you was to see if you would pass the test, to see if you would fully obey me.

Anyone you forgive, I forgive too. For indeed, whatever I have forgiven, if there has been anything to forgive, has been for your sake in the presence of the Messiah

so that we will not be railroaded by the Adversary — for we are quite aware of his schemes!

Now when I went to Troas to proclaim the Good Message of the Messiah, since a door had been opened for me by the Lord,

I could not rest, because I failed to find my brother Titus. So I left the people there and went on to Macedonia.

But thanks be to God, who in the Messiah/Christ constantly leads us in a triumphal procession and through us spreads everywhere the fragrance of what it means to know him!

For to God we are the aroma of the Messiah, both among those being saved and among those being lost;

to the unsaved, we are the smell of death leading only to decay. To the saved, we are the sweet smell of life leading to abundant life. Who is up to such a task?

For we are not like a lot of folks who go about peddling God’s message for a fee --- quite the contrary, we speak out of a sincere heart, as people sent by God, standing in God’s presence, living united with the Messiah.

Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

1 And I decided this to myself, not again to come in sorrow unto you,

2 for if I make you sorry, then who is he who is making me glad, except he who is made sorry by me?

3 and I wrote to you this same thing, that having come, I may not have sorrow from them of whom it behoved me to have joy, having confidence in you all, that my joy is of you all,

4 for out of much tribulation and pressure of heart I wrote to you through many tears, not that ye might be made sorry, but that ye might know the love that I have more abundantly toward you.

5 And if any one hath caused sorrow, he hath not caused sorrow to me, but in part, that I may not burden you all;

6 sufficient to such a one is this punishment, that [is] by the more part,

7 so that, on the contrary, [it is] rather for you to forgive and to comfort, lest by over abundant sorrow such a one may be swallowed up;

8 wherefore, I call upon you to confirm love to him,

9 for, for this also did I write, that I might know the proof of you, whether in regard to all things ye are obedient.

10 And to whom ye forgive anything -- I also; for I also, if I have forgiven anything, to whom I have forgiven [it], because of you -- in the person of Christ -- [I forgive it,]

11 that we may not be over-reached by the Adversary, for of his devices we are not ignorant.

12 And having come to Troas for the good news of the Christ, and a door to me having been opened in the Lord,

13 I have not had rest to my spirit, on my not finding Titus my brother, but having taken leave of them, I went forth to Macedonia;

14 and to God [are] thanks, who at all times is leading us in triumph in the Christ, and the fragrance of His knowledge He is manifesting through us in every place,

15 because of Christ a sweet fragrance we are to God, in those being saved, and in those being lost;

16 to the one, indeed, a fragrance of death to death, and to the other, a fragrance of life to life; and for these things who is sufficient?

17 for we are not as the many, adulterating the word of God, but as of sincerity -- but as of God; in the presence of God, in Christ we do speak.

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2 Corinthians 3:1-18

Are we recommending ourselves again? Or do we, like some, need letters of recommendation either for you or from you?

You are our recommendation, written on our hearts, known and read by everyone.

You make it clear that you are a letter from the Messiah placed in our care, written not with ink but by the Spirit of the living God, not on stone tablets but on human hearts.

Such is the confidence we have through the Messiah toward God.

It is not that we are competent in ourselves to count anything as having come from us; quite the contrary, our competence comes from God.

He has even made us competent to be workers serving a New Covenant, the essence of which is not a written text but the Spirit. For the written text brings death, but the Spirit gives life.

Now if that which worked death, by means of a written text engraved on stone tablets, came with glory — such glory that the people of Israel could not stand to look at Moses' face because of its brilliance, even though such brightness was already fading away —

won’t the working of the Spirit be accompanied by even greater glory?

For if there was glory in what worked to declare people guilty, how much more must the glory abound in what works to declare people innocent!

In fact, by comparison with this greater glory, what was made glorious before has ended.

For if there was glory in what faded away, how much more glory must remain in what lasts.

Therefore, with a hope like this, we are very open —

unlike Moses, who covered his face, so that the people of Israel would not see the brightness fade.

What is more, their minds were made stonelike; for to this time the same veil remains over them when they read the Old Covenant; it has not been unveiled, because only by the Messiah is the veil removed.

Yes, until today, whenever Moses is read, a veil lies over their heart.

“But,” says the Law, “whenever someone turns to the Lord, the veil is removed.”

Now, “the Lord” in this text means the Spirit. And where the Spirit of Adonai is, there is freedom.

So all of us, with faces unveiled, see as in a mirror the glory of the Lord; and we are being changed into His likeness, from one degree of glory to the next, by the Lord's Spirit.

Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

1 Do we begin again to recommend ourselves, except we need, as some, letters of recommendation unto you, or from you?

2 our letter ye are, having been written in our hearts, known and read by all men,

3 manifested that ye are a letter of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God, not in the tablets of stone, but in fleshy tablets of the heart,

4 and such trust we have through the Christ toward God,

5 not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think anything, as of ourselves, but our sufficiency [is] of God,

6 who also made us sufficient [to be] ministrants of a new covenant, not of letter, but of spirit; for the letter doth kill, and the spirit doth make alive.

7 and if the ministration of the death, in letters, engraved in stones, came in glory, so that the sons of Israel were not able to look stedfastly to the face of Moses, because of the glory of his face -- which was being made useless,

8 how shall the ministration of the Spirit not be more in glory?

9 for if the ministration of the condemnation [is] glory, much more doth the ministration of the righteousness abound in glory;

10 for also even that which hath been glorious, hath not been glorious -- in this respect, because of the superior glory;

11 for if that which is being made useless [is] through glory, much more that which is remaining [is] in glory.

12 Having, then, such hope, we use much freedom of speech,

13 and [are] not as Moses, who was putting a vail upon his own face, for the sons of Israel not stedfastly to look to the end of that which is being made useless,

14 but their minds were hardened, for unto this day the same vail at the reading of the Old Covenant doth remain unwithdrawn -- which in Christ is being made useless --

15 but till to-day, when Moses is read, a vail upon their heart doth lie,

16 and whenever they may turn unto the Lord, the vail is taken away.

17 And the Lord is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord [is], there [is] liberty;

18 and we all, with unvailed face, the glory of the Lord beholding in a mirror, to the same image are being transformed, from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

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2 Corinthians 4:1-18

God has shown us such mercy that we do not lose courage as we do the work He has given us.

Indeed, we refuse to make apply shameful underhanded methods, employing deception or distorting God’s message. Quite the contrary, by making very clear what the truth is, we commend ourselves to everyone’s conscience in God's sight.

So if indeed our Good Message is veiled, it is veiled only to those in the process of remaining lost.

They do not come to trust because the god of this age has blinded their minds, in order to prevent them from seeing the light shining from the Good Message concerning the glory of the Messiah, who is the image of God.

For what we are proclaiming is not ourselves, but the Messiah Jesus as Lord, with ourselves as your slaves because of Jesus.

For it is God who once said, “Let light shine out of darkness,” who has made His brilliance to shine in our hearts, the light of the knowledge of God’s glory shining in the face of the Messiah Jesus.

But we have this treasure in clay jars, so that it will be evident that such overwhelming power comes from God and not from us.

We have all kinds of troubles, but we are not crushed; we are perplexed, yet not in despair;

persecuted, yet not abandoned; knocked down, yet not destroyed.

We always carry in our bodies Jesus dying, so that the life of Jesus may be manifested in our bodies also.

For we who are alive are always being handed over to death for Jesus’s sake, so that Jesis’s life also might be manifested in our mortal bodies.

Thus death is at work in us but life in you.

The scripture says, “I trusted, therefore I spoke.”Since we have that same Spirit who enables us to trust, we also trust and therefore speak;

because we know that He who raised the Lord Jesus will also raise us with Jesus and bring us along with you into His presence.

All this is for your sakes, so that as grace flows out to more and more people, it may cause thanksgiving to overflow and bring glory to God.

This is why we do not lose courage. Though our outer self is heading for decay, our inner self is being renewed daily.

For our light and transient troubles are achieving for us an everlasting glory whose weight is beyond description.

We concentrate not on what is seen but on what is not seen, since things seen are temporary, but things not seen are eternal.

Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

1 Because of this, having this ministration, according as we did receive kindness, we do not faint,

2 but did renounce for ourselves the hidden things of shame, not walking in craftiness, nor deceitfully using the word of God, but by the manifestation of the truth recommending ourselves unto every conscience of men, before God;

3 and if also our good news is vailed, in those perishing it is vailed,

4 in whom the god of this age did blind the minds of the unbelieving, that there doth not shine forth to them the enlightening of the good news of the glory of the Christ, who is the image of God;

5 for not ourselves do we preach, but Christ Jesus -- Lord, and ourselves your servants because of Jesus;

6 because [it is] God who said, Out of darkness light [is] to shine, who did shine in our hearts, for the enlightening of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

7 And we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us;

8 on every side being in tribulation, but not straitened; perplexed, but not in despair;

9 persecuted, but not forsaken; cast down, but not destroyed;

10 at all times the dying of the Lord Jesus bearing about in the body, that the life also of Jesus in our body may be manifested,

11 for always are we who are living delivered up to death because of Jesus, that the life also of Jesus may be manifested in our dying flesh,

12 so that, the death indeed in us doth work, and the life in you.

13 And having the same spirit of the faith, according to that which hath been written, `I believed, therefore I did speak;' we also do believe, therefore also do we speak;

14 knowing that He who did raise up the Lord Jesus, us also through Jesus shall raise up, and shall present with you,

15 for the all things [are] because of you, that the grace having been multiplied, because of the thanksgiving of the more, may abound to the glory of God;

16 wherefore, we faint not, but if also our outward man doth decay, yet the inward is renewed day by day;

17 for the momentary light matter of our tribulation, more and more exceedingly an age-during weight of glory doth work out for us --

18 we not looking to the things seen, but to the things not seen; for the things seen [are] temporary, but the things not seen [are] age-during.

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2 Corinthians 5:1-21

We know that when the tent which houses us here on earth disintegrates, we have a permanent edifice from God, a building not made by human hands, to house us in heaven.

For in this tent, our earthly body, we groan-- desiring to have around us the home from heaven that will be ours.

With this around us we wont be naked.

Yes, while we are in this body, we groan with the sense of being oppressed: it is not so much that we want to take something off, but rather to put something on over it; so that what must die may be consumed by the Life.

Moreover, it is God who has prepared us for this very thing, and as a pledge He gives us His Spirit.

So we are always confident — we know that so long as we are at home in the body, we are away from our home with the Lord;

for we live by trust, not by what we see.

We are confident, then, and would much prefer to leave our home in the body and come to our home with the Lord.

Therefore, whether at home or away from home, we try our best to please Him;

for we must all appear before the Messiah’s court of judgment, where everyone will gain the good or bad consequences of what he did while he was in the body.

So it is with the fear of the Lord before us that we try to persuade people. Additionally, God knows us as we really are; and I hope that in your consciences you too know us as we really are.

We are not recommending ourselves to you again but giving you a reason to be proud of us, so that you will be able to answer those who brag regarding a person’s appearance rather than his inner qualities.

If we are insane, it is for God’s sake; and if we are sane, it is for your sake.

For the Messiah’s love has hold of us, because we are convinced that one man died on behalf of all mankind (which implies that all mankind was already dead),

and that He died on behalf of all in order that those who live should not live any longer for themselves but for the One who on their behalf died and was raised.

So from now on, we do not look at anyone from a worldly viewpoint. Even if we once regarded the Messiah from a worldly viewpoint, we do not anymore.

Therefore, if anyone is united with the Messiah, he is a new creation — the old has passed; look, what has arrived is fresh and new!

And it is all from God, who through the Messiah has reconciled us to himself and has presented us with the work of that reconciliation,

which is that God in the Messiah was reconciling mankind to Himself, not counting their sins against them, and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation.

Therefore we are ambassadors of the Messiah; in effect, God is appealing through us. What we do is appeal on behalf of the Messiah, “Be reconciled to God!

God made this sinless man be a sin offering on our behalf, so that in union with Him we might fully share in God’s righteousness.”

Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

1 For we have known that if our earthly house of the tabernacle may be thrown down, a building from God we have, an house not made with hands -- age-during -- in the heavens,

2 for also in this we groan, with our dwelling that is from heaven earnestly desiring to clothe ourselves,

3 if so be that, having clothed ourselves, we shall not be found naked,

4 for we also who are in the tabernacle do groan, being burdened, seeing we wish not to unclothe ourselves, but to clothe ourselves, that the mortal may be swallowed up of the life.

5 And He who did work us to this self-same thing [is] God, who also did give to us the earnest of the Spirit;

6 having courage, then, at all times, and knowing that being at home in the body, we are away from home from the Lord, --

7 for through faith we walk, not through sight --

8 we have courage, and are well pleased rather to be away from the home of the body, and to be at home with the Lord.

9 Wherefore also we are ambitious, whether at home or away from home, to be well pleasing to him,

10 for all of us it behoveth to be manifested before the tribunal of the Christ, that each one may receive the things [done] through the body, in reference to the things that he did, whether good or evil;

11 having known, therefore, the fear of the Lord, we persuade men, and to God we are manifested, and I hope also in your consciences to have been manifested;

12 for not again ourselves do we recommend to you, but we are giving occasion to you of glorifying in our behalf, that ye may have [something] in reference to those glorifying in face and not in heart;

13 for whether we were beside ourselves, [it was] to God; whether we be of sound mind -- [it is] to you,

14 for the love of the Christ doth constrain us, having judged thus: that if one for all died, then the whole died,

15 and for all he died, that those living, no more to themselves may live, but to him who died for them, and was raised again.

16 So that we henceforth have known no one according to the flesh, and even if we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know him no more;

17 so that if any one [is] in Christ -- [he is] a new creature; the old things did pass away, lo, become new have the all things.

18 And the all things [are] of God, who reconciled us to Himself through Jesus Christ, and did give to us the ministration of the reconciliation,

19 how that God was in Christ -- a world reconciling to Himself, not reckoning to them their trespasses; and having put in us the word of the reconciliation,

20 in behalf of Christ, then, we are ambassadors, as if God were calling through us, we beseech, in behalf of Christ, `Be ye reconciled to God;'

21 for him who did not know sin, in our behalf He did make sin, that we may become the righteousness of God in him.

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2 Corinthians 6:1-18

Working along with Him, we strongly urge you not to receive God’s grace in vain.

For He says, “At the acceptable time I listened to you, And I helped you on the day of salvation.” See now is “the acceptable time,” and now is “the day of salvation”—

we don't obstruct anyone’s path, so that the ministry will not be discredited,

but we commend ourselves in every way as servants of God: in great endurance, sufferings, hardships, distresses,

beatings, imprisonments, riots, labors, sleepless nights, hunger,

purity and sincerity, knowledge and spiritual insight, patience, kindness, the Holy Spirit, genuine love,

the word of truth, the power of God; by the weapons of righteousness for the right hand and for the left,

amid glory and dishonor; by evil report and good report; branded as deceivers and yet vindicated as truthful;

as unknown to the world, yet well-known by God and His people; as dying, yet we live; as punished, yet not killed;

as sorrowful, yet always rejoicing; as poor, yet bestowing riches on many; as having nothing, yet rich.

We are speaking freely to you, Corinthians, and our heart is exposed.

There is no limit to our affection for you, but you are limited in your own feelings towards us.

Now in the same way i'm speaking as I would to children—open wide your hearts to us also.

Do not be unequally bound together with nonbelievers. For what partnership can righteousness have with lawlessness? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness?

What harmony can there be between Christ and Satan? Or what does a believer have in common with a nonbeliever?

What agreement is there between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God; just as God said:

“I will dwell among them and walk among them. And I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

“So separate from among unbelievers and be exclusive,” says the Lord, “And do not touch what is filthy; And I will graciously receive you and welcome you,

And I will be as a Father to you, And you will become My sons and daughters,” Says the Lord Almighty.

Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

1 And working together also we call upon [you] that ye receive not in vain the grace of God --

2 for He saith, `In an acceptable time I did hear thee, and in a day of salvation I did help thee, lo, now [is] a well-accepted time; lo, now, a day of salvation,' --

3 in nothing giving any cause of offence, that the ministration may be not blamed,

4 but in everything recommending ourselves as God's ministrants; in much patience, in tribulations, in necessities, in distresses,

5 in stripes, in imprisonments, in insurrections, in labours, in watchings, in fastings,

6 in pureness, in knowledge, in long-suffering, in kindness, in the Holy Spirit, in love unfeigned,

7 in the word of truth, in the power of God, through the armour of the righteousness, on the right and on the left,

8 through glory and dishonour, through evil report and good report, as leading astray, and true;

9 as unknown, and recognized; as dying, and lo, we live; as chastened, and not put to death;

10 as sorrowful, and always rejoicing; as poor, and making many rich; as having nothing, and possessing all things.

11 Our mouth hath been open unto you, O Corinthians, our heart hath been enlarged!

12 ye are not straitened in us, and ye are straitened in your [own] bowels,

13 and [as] a recompense of the same kind, (as to children I say [it],) be ye enlarged -- also ye!

14 Become not yoked with others -- unbelievers, for what partaking [is there] to righteousness and lawlessness?

15 and what fellowship to light with darkness? and what concord to Christ with Belial? or what part to a believer with an unbeliever?

16 and what agreement to the sanctuary of God with idols? for ye are a sanctuary of the living God, according as God said -- `I will dwell in them, and will walk among [them], and I will be their God, and they shall be My people,

17 wherefore, come ye forth out of the midst of them, and be separated, saith the Lord, and an unclean thing do not touch, and I -- I will receive you,

18 and I will be to you for a Father, and ye -- ye shall be to Me for sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.'

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2 Corinthians 7:1-16

So, my dear friends, since we have these promises, let us cleanse ourselves from everything that can defile either body or spirit, and strive to be completely holy, out of a reverence for God.

Make room for us in your hearts — we haven’t wronged, ruined, or exploited anyone.

I am not saying this to place blame on you, for I have already said that you have a place in our hearts, whether we live or die together;

that I'm quite confident of you. I'm very proud of you; that you have filled me with encouragement; and that in spite of all our problems, I'm overflowing with joy.

For indeed when we came into Macedonia, our bodies had no relaxation. Quite the contrary, we faced all kinds of troubles — altercations without, apprehensions within.

But God, who encourages the downhearted, encouraged us with Titus' arrival!

However, it was not only his arrival which encouraged us, but also how encouraged he was regarding you, as he told us how you long to see me, how distressed you are over my situation, how zealous you are in my defense. Such news made me even happier!

If I caused you pain by my letter, I do not regret it. Even if I did regret it before — for I observe that that letter distressed you, though only for a short time>

Presently I rejoice not because you were pained, but because the pain led you to return towards God. For you handled the pain in God’s way, so that you were not injured by us at all.

Pain handled in God’s way produces a turning from sin towards God leading towards salvation, and there is nothing to regret in that! But pain handled in the world’s way produces only death.

For just look at what handling the pain God’s way produced in you! What earnest diligence, what eagerness to clear yourselves, what indignation, what fear, what longing, what zeal, what readiness to put things right! In everything you have proved yourselves blameless in the matter.

So even though I wrote to you, it was not for the sake of either the one who did the wrong or the one wronged, but so that before God you could see for yourselves how deep is your devotion to us.

This is the reason we have been encouraged. Besides our own encouragement, we had the even greater joy of seeing how happy Titus was, because all of you set his mind at ease.

For I had boasted somewhat about you to him, and now I have not been made to look foolish. Quite the contrary, just as everything we have said to you is true, so too our boasting in front of Titus has proved true.

And his affection for you is all the greater as he remembers how ready you were to obey and how you received him with reverence and respect.

I am glad that in everything I can have confidence in you.

Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

1 Having, then, these promises, beloved, may we cleanse ourselves from every pollution of flesh and spirit, perfecting sanctification in the fear of God;

2 receive us; no one did we wrong; no one did we waste; no one did we defraud;

3 not to condemn you do I say [it], for I have said before that in our hearts ye are to die with and to live with;

4 great [is] my freedom of speech unto you, great my glory on your behalf; I have been filled with the comfort, I overabound with the joy on all our tribulation,

5 for also we, having come to Macedonia, no relaxation hath our flesh had, but on every side we are in tribulation, without [are] fightings, within -- fears;

6 but He who is comforting the cast-down -- God -- He did comfort us in the presence of Titus;

7 and not only in his presence, but also in the comfort with which he was comforted over you, declaring to us your longing desire, your lamentation, your zeal for me, so that the more I did rejoice,

8 because even if I made you sorry in the letter, I do not repent -- if even I did repent -- for I perceive that the letter, even if for an hour, did make you sorry.

9 I now do rejoice, not that ye were made sorry, but that ye were made sorry to reformation, for ye were made sorry toward God, that in nothing ye might receive damage from us;

10 for the sorrow toward God reformation to salvation not to be repented of doth work, and the sorrow of the world doth work death,

11 for, lo, this same thing -- your being made sorry toward God -- how much diligence it doth work in you! but defence, but displeasure, but fear, but longing desire, but zeal, but revenge; in every thing ye did approve yourselves to be pure in the matter.

12 If, then, I also wrote to you -- not for his cause who did wrong, nor for his cause who did suffer wrong, but for our diligence in your behalf being manifested unto you before God --

13 because of this we have been comforted in your comfort, and more abundantly the more did we rejoice in the joy of Titus, that his spirit hath been refreshed from you all;

14 because if anything to him in your behalf I have boasted, I was not put to shame; but as all things in truth we did speak to you, so also our boasting before Titus became truth,

15 and his tender affection is more abundantly toward you, remembering the obedience of you all, how with fear and trembling ye did receive him;

16 I rejoice, therefore, that in everything I have courage in you.

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2 Corinthians 8:1-24

Now, brethren, we must tell you about the grace God has provided the congregations in Macedonia.

Despite terrible trials, and even though they are desperately poor, their joy has overflowed in a wealth of generosity.

I say they have not merely given according to their means, but of their own free will they have given beyond their means.

They begged and pleaded with us for the privilege of sharing in this service for God’s people.

Also, they didn’t do this in the way we had expected, but first they gave themselves to the Lord, which means, by God’s will, to us.

All this has led us to urge Titus to bring this same gracious gift to completion among you, since he has already made a beginning of it.

Just as you excel in everything — in faith, speech, knowledge, diligence of every kind, and in your love for us — see that you excel in this gift too.

I am not issuing an order; rather, I am testing the genuineness of your love against the diligence of others.

For you know how generous our Lord Jesus the Messiah was — for your sakes He impoverished Himself, even though he was wealthy, so that he might make you rich through His way of poverty.

As I say, in regard to this matter I am only giving an opinion. A year ago you were not only the first to take action but the first to want to do so. Now it would be to your advantage

to finish what you began, so that your eagerness in wanting to begin the project may be matched by your eagerness to fulfill it, as you contribute from what you have.

For if the eagerness to give is there, the acceptability of the gift will be measured by what you have, not by what you don’t have.

It is not that relief for others should create trouble for you, but that there should be a kind of reciprocity:

at present your abundance can assist those in need; so that when you are in need, their abundance can assist you — thus there's reciprocity.

It is as the scripture says, “He who gathered a lot had nothing additional, and he who gathered little had nothing lacking.”

Now I thank God for making Titus as devoted to you as we are;

or he not only responded to our urging, but, being so devoted, he is coming to you on his own initiative.

And with him we are sending the brother whose work for the Good Message is praised in all the congregations;

not only that, he has also been appointed by the congregations to travel with us, so that the way we administer this charitable work will bring honor to the Lord and show our eagerness to help.

Our aim in this is to show that our conduct in dealing with these substantial sums is above reproach;

for we take pains to do what is right not only in the sight of God but also in the sight of others.

With these two we are sending another brother of ours, one whose diligence we have tested many times in many ways, but who is now all the more diligent because of his great confidence in you.

As for Titus, he's my partner who works with me on your behalf; and the other brethren with him are the apostles of the congregations and bring honor to the Messiah.

So the love you demonstrate towards these men will justify our pride in you to them, and through them to the congregations that sent them

Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

1 And we make known to you, brethren, the grace of God, that hath been given in the assemblies of Macedonia,

2 because in much trial of tribulation the abundance of their joy, and their deep poverty, did abound to the riches of their liberality;

3 because, according to [their] power, I testify, and above [their] power, they were willing of themselves,

4 with much entreaty calling on us to receive the favour and the fellowship of the ministration to the saints,

5 and not according as we expected, but themselves they did give first to the Lord, and to us, through the will of God,

6 so that we exhorted Titus, that, according as he did begin before, so also he may finish to you also this favour,

7 but even as in every thing ye do abound, in faith, and word, and knowledge, and all diligence, and in your love to us, that also in this grace ye may abound;

8 not according to command do I speak, but because of the diligence of others, and of your love proving the genuineness,

9 for ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that because of you he became poor -- being rich, that ye by that poverty may become rich.

10 and an opinion in this do I give: for this to you [is] expedient, who not only to do, but also to will, did begin before -- a year ago,

11 and now also finish doing [it], that even as [there is] the readiness of the will, so also the finishing, out of that which ye have,

12 for if the willing mind is present, according to that which any one may have it is well-accepted, not according to that which he hath not;

13 for not that for others release, and ye pressured, [do I speak,]

14 but by equality, at the present time your abundance -- for their want, that also their abundance may be for your want, that there may be equality,

15 according as it hath been written, `He who [did gather] much, had nothing over; and he who [did gather] little, had no lack.'

16 And thanks to God, who is putting the same diligence for you in the heart of Titus,

17 because indeed the exhortation he accepted, and being more diligent, of his own accord he went forth unto you,

18 and we sent with him the brother, whose praise in the good news [is] through all the assemblies,

19 and not only so, but who was also appointed by vote by the assemblies, our fellow-traveller, with this favour that is ministered by us, unto the glory of the same Lord, and your willing mind;

20 avoiding this, lest any one may blame us in this abundance that is ministered by us,

21 providing right things, not only before the Lord, but also before men;

22 and we sent with them our brother, whom we proved in many things many times being diligent, and now much more diligent, by the great confidence that is toward you,

23 whether -- about Titus -- my partner and towards you fellow-worker, whether -- our brethren, apostles of assemblies -- glory of Christ;

24 the shewing therefore of your love, and of our boasting on your behalf, to them shew ye, even in the face of the assemblies.

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