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huckelberry wrote:
Maksutov wrote:
" each of the motions of the
earth was now absolutely demonstrated anew, so as to be
recognised by the ordinary observer. The parallax of fixed
stars, shown by Bessel as well as other noted astronomers in
1838, clinched forever the doctrine of the revolution of the
earth around the sun,"



Parallax pried the lid off of the heavens and the heavens became space extending out, and out, and out, and out , and out......

Just added this to say I am reading and appreciating the material.


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In spite of all that has been said by these apologists,
there no longer remains the shadow of a doubt that the papal
infallibility was committed fully and irrevocably against the
double revolution of the earth. As the documents of Gali-
leo's trial now published show, Paul V, in 1616, pushed on
with all his might the condemnation of Galileo and of the
works of Copernicus and of all others teaching the motion of
the earth around its own axis and around the sun. So,
too, in the condemnation of Galileo in 1633, and in all the
proceedings which led up to it and which followed it, Urban
VIll was the central figure. Without his sanction no action
could have been taken.

True, the Pope did not formally sign the decree against
the Copernican theory then; but this came later. In 1664
Alexander VII prefixed to the Index containing the con-
demnations of the works of Copernicus and Galileo and '' all
books which affirm the motion of the earth " a papal bull
signed by himself, binding the contents of the Index upon
the consciences of the faithful. This bull confirmed and ap-
proved in express terms, finally, decisively, and infallibly,
the condemnation of " all books teaching the movement of
the earth and the stability of the sun."*

* See Rev. William W. Roberts, The Pontifical Decrees against the Doctrine



THE RETREAT OF THE CHURCH.

The position of the mother Church had been thus made
especially difficult ; and the first important move in retreat
by the apologists was the statement that Galileo was con-
demned, not because he affirmed the motion of the earth,
but because he supported it from Scripture. There was a
slight appearance of truth in this. Undoubted!}', Galileo's
letters to Castelli and the grand duchess, in which he at-
tempted to show that his astronomical doctrines were not
opposed to Scripture, gave a new stir to religious bigotry.
For a considerable time, then, this quibble served its pur-
pose ; even a hundred and fifty years after Galileo's con-
demnation it was renewed by the Protestant Mallet du Pan,
in his wish to gain favour from the older Church.

But nothing can be more absurd, in the light of the origi-
nal documents recently brought out of the Vatican archives,
than to make this contention now. The letters of Gali-
leo to Castelli and the Grand-Duchess were not published
until after the condemnation; and, although the Archbishop
of Pisa had endeavoured to use them against him, they were
but casually mentioned in 1616, and entirely left out of view
in 1633. What was condemned in 1616 by the Sacred Con-
gregation held in the presence of Pope Paul V, as ''absurd,
false in theology, and heretical, because absolutely contrary to
Holy Scripture,'' was the proposition that '' the sun is the cen-
tre about which the earth revolves " ; and what was condemned
as ''absurd, false in philosophy, and from a theologic point of
view, at least, opposed to the true faith,'' was the proposition
that " the earth is not the centre of the universe and immovable,
but has a diurnal motion."

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In vain did Galileo try to prove the existence of satel-
lites by showing them to the doubters through his telescope :
they either declared it impious to look, or, if they did look,
denounced the satellites as illusions from the devil. Good
Father Clavius declared that " to see satellites of Jupiter,
men had to make an instrument which would create them."
In vain did Galileo try to save the great truths he had dis-
covered by his letters to the Benedictine Castelli and the
Grand-Duchess Christine, in which he argued that literal
biblical interpretation should not be applied to science ; it
w^as answered that such an argument only made his heresy
more detestable ; that he was '* worse than Luther or Calvin."

The war on the Copernican theory which up to that
time had been carried on quietly, now flamed forth. It w^as
declared that the doctrine was proved false by the standing
still of the sun for Joshua, by the declarations that '* the
foundations of the earth are fixed so firm that they can not
be moved," and that the sun " runneth about from one end
of the heavens to the other." *

But the little telescope of Galileo still swept the heavens,
and another revelation was announced — the mountains and
valleys in the moon. This brought on another attack. It
was declared that this, and the statement that the moon
shines by light reflected from the sun, directly contradict
the statement in Genesis that the moon is *' a great light."

* For principal points as given, see Libri, Histoire des Sciences math^matiqties
en Italie, vol. iv, p. 211 ; De Morgan, Paradoxes, p. 26, for account of Father
Clavius. It is interesting to know that Clavius, in his last years, acknowledged
that " the whole system of the heavens is broken down, and must be mended,"
Cantu, Histoire Universelle, vol. xv, p. 478. See Th. Martin, Galilee, pp. 34, 208,
and 266 ; also Heller, Geschichte der Physik, Stuttgart, 1882, vol. i, p. 366. For the
original documents, see L'Epinois, pp. 34 and 36 ; or, better, Gebler's careful edi-
tion of the trial {Die Acten des Galileischen Processes, Stuttgart, 1S77), pp. 47
et seq. Martin's translation seems somewhat too free. See also Gebler, Galileo
Galilei, English translation, London, 1879, PP- 76-78 ; also Reusch, Der Process
Galilei's und die Jesuiten, Bonn, 1879, chaps, ix, x, xi.

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Blessed Virgin, outlined on its surface mountains and val-
leys ; this was denounced as a sacrilege logically resulting
from the astronomer's heresy.

Still another struggle was aroused when the hated tele-
scope revealed spots upon the sun, and their motion indicat-
ing the sun's rotation. Monsignor Elci, head of the Univer-
sity of Pisa, forbade the astronomer Castelli to mention these
spots to his students. Father Busaeus, at the University of
Innspruck, forbade the astronomer Scheiner, who had also
discovered the spots and proposed an explanation of
them, to allow the new discovery to be known there. At
the College of Douay and the University of Louvain this
discovery was expressly placed under the ban, and this be-
came the general rule among the Catholic universities and
colleges of Europe. The Spanish universities were espe-
cially intolerant of this and similar ideas, and up to a recent
period their presentation was strictly forbidden in the most
important university of all— that of Salamanca.

Such are the consequences of placing the instruction of
men's minds in the hands of those mainly absorbed in saving
men's souls. Nothing could be more in accordance with
the idea recently put forth by sundry ecclesiastics, Catholic
and Protestant, that the Church alone is empowered to pro-
mulgate scientific truth or direct university instruction.
But science gained a victory here also. Observations of
the solar spots were reported not only from Galileo in Italy,
but from Fabricius in Holland. Father Scheiner then en-
deavoured to make the usual compromise between theology
and science. He promulgated a pseudo-scientific theory,
which only provoked derision.

The war became more and more bitter. The Dominican
Father Caccini preached a sermon from the text, " Ye men
of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven?" and this
wretched pun upon the great astronomer's name ushered in
sharper weapons ; for, before Caccini ended, he insisted that
''geometry is of the devil," and that" mathematicians should
be banished as the authors of all heresies." The Church
authorities gave Caccini promotion.



* See Ticknor, History of Spanish Literature, vol. iii.

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Father Lorini proved that Galileo's doctrine was not only
heretical but '-atheistic," and besought the Inquisition to
intervene. The Bishop of Fiesole screamed in rage against
the Copernican system, publicly insulted Galileo, and de-
nounced him to the Grand-Duke. The Archbishop of Pisa
secretly sought to entrap Galileo and deliver him to the In-
quisition at Rome. The Archbishop of Florence solemnly
condemned the new doctrines as unscriptural ; and Paul V,
while petting Galileo, and inviting him as the greatest astron-
omer of the world to visit Rome, was secretly moving the
Archbishop of Pisa to pick up evidence against the astron-
omer.

But by far the most terrible champion who now ap-
peared was Cardinal Bellarmin, one of the greatest theo-
logians the world has known. He was earnest, sincere,
and learned, but insisted on making science conform to
Scripture. The weapons which men of Bellarmin's stamp
used were purely theological. They held up before the
world the dreadful consequences w^hich must result to
Christian theology were the heavenly bodies proved to
revolve about the sun and not about the earth. Their
most tremendous dogmatic engine was the statement that
'' his pretended discovery vitiates the whole Christian plan
of salvation." Father Lecazre declared " it casts suspicion
on the doctrine of the incarnation." Others declared, " It
upsets the whole basis of theology. If the earth is a
planet, and only one among several planets, it can not be
that any such great things have been done specially for it as
the Christian doctrine teaches. If there are other planets,
since God makes nothing in vain, they must be inhabited ;
but how can their inhabitants be descended from Adam?
How can they trace back their origin to Noah's ark ? How
can they have been redeemed by the Saviour?" Nor was
this argument confined to the theologians of the Roman
Church ; Melanchthon, Protestant as he was, had already
used it in his attacks on Copernicus and his school.

In addition to this prodigious theological engine of war
there was kept up a fire of smaller artillery in the shape of
texts and scriptural extracts.

But the war grew still more bitter, and some weapons
used in it are worth examining. They are very easily ex-
amined, for they are to be found on all the battlefields of
science ; but on that field they were used with more effect
than on almost any other. These weapons are the epithets
" infidel " and *' atheist." They have been used against
almost every man who has ever done anything new for his
fellow-men. The list of those who have been denounced as
''infidel" and "atheist" includes almost all great men of
science, general scholars, inventors, and philanthropists.
The purest Christian life, the noblest Christian character,
have not availed to shield combatants. Christians like Isaac
Newton, Pascal, Locke, Milton, and even Fenelon and How-
ard, have had this weapon hurled against them. Of all
proofs of the existence of a God, those of Descartes have
been wrought most thoroughly into the minds of modern
men ; yet the Protestant theologians of Holland sought to
bring him to torture and to death by the charge of atheism,
and the Roman Catholic theologians of France thwarted him
during his life and prevented any due honours to him after
his death.

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These epithets can hardly be classed with civilized weap-
ons. They are burning arrows ; they set fire to masses of
popular prejudice, always obscuring the real question, some-
times destroying the attacking party. They are poisoned
weapons. They pierce the hearts of loving women ; they
alienate dear children ; they injure a man after life is ended,
for they leave poisoned wounds in the hearts of those who
loved him best — fears for his eternal salvation, dread of the
Divine wrath upon him. Of course, in these days these weap-
ons, though often effective in vexing good men and in scar-
ing good women, are somewhat blunted ; indeed, they not
infrequently injure the assailants more than the assailed. So
it was not in the days of Galileo ; they were then in all their
sharpness and venom.

* For various objectors and objections to Galileo by his contemporaries, see
Libri, Histoire des Sciences mathe'matiques eji Italic, vol. iv, pp. 233, 234 ; also Mar-
tin, Vie de Galilde. For Father Lecazre's argument, see Flammarion, Mondes irna-
ginaires et mo)ides r^els, 6e ed., pp. 315, 316. For Melanchthon's argument, see
his Initia, in Opera^ vol. iii, Halle, 1846.


Yet a baser warfare was waged by the Archbishop of
Pisa. This man, whose cathedral derives its most endurinof
fame from Galileo's deduction of a great natural law from
the swinging lamp before its altar, was not an archbishop
after the noble mould of Borromeo and Fenelon and Cheve-
rus. Sadly enough for the Church and humanity, he was
simply a zealot and intriguer: he perfected the plan for en-
trapping the great astronomer.

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Galileo, after his discoveries had been denounced, had
written to his friend Castelli and to the Grand-Duchess
Christine two letters to show that his discoveries might be
reconciled with Scripture. On a hint from the Inquisition
at Rome, the archbishop sought to get hold of these letters
and exhibit them as proofs that Galileo had uttered heretical
views of theology and of Scripture, and thus to bring him
into the clutch of the Inquisition. The archbishop begs
Castelli, therefore, to let him see the original letter in the
handwriting of Galileo. Castelli declines. The archbishop
then, while, as is now revealed, writing constantly and bit-
terly to the Inquisition against Galileo, professes to Castelli
the greatest admiration of Galileo's genius and a sincere de-
sire to know more of his discoveries. This not succeeding:,
the archbishop at last throws off the mask and resorts to
open attack.

The whole struggle to crush Galileo and to save him
would be amusing were it not so fraught with evil. There
were intrigues and counter-intrigues, plots and counter-plots,
lying and spying; and in the thickest of this seething,
squabbling, screaming mass of priests, bishops, archbishops,
and cardinals, appear two popes, Paul V and Urban VIII.
It is most suggestive to see in this crisis of the Church, at
the tomb of the prince of the apostles, on the eve of the
greatest errors in Church policy the world has known, in all
the intrigues and deliberations of these consecrated leaders
of the Church, no more evidence of the guidance or pres-
ence of the Holy Spirit than in a caucus of New York politi-
cians at Tammany Hall.

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But the opposing powers were too strong. In 1615 Gali-
leo was summoned before the Inquisition at Rome, and the
mine which had been so long preparing was sprung. Sun-
dry theologians of the Inquisition having been ordered to
examine two propositions which had been extracted from
Galileo's letters on the solar spots, solemnly considered
these points during about a month and rendered their unani-
mous decision as follows: ''The first proposition, that the sun
is the centre and does not revolve about the earth, is foolish,
absurd, false in theology, and heretical, because expressly contrary
to Holy Scripture'' ; and " the second proposition, that the earth
is not the centre but revolves about the sun, is absurd, false in
philosophy, and, from a theological point of view at least, opposed
to the true faith.''

The Pope himself, Paul V, now intervened again : he
ordered that Galileo be brought before the Inquisition.
Then the greatest man of science in that age was brought
face to face with the greatest theologian — Galileo was con-
fronted by Bellarmin. Bellarmin shows Galileo the error
of his opinion and orders him to renounce it. De Lauda,
fortified by a letter from the Pope, gives orders that the
astronomer be placed in the dungeons of the Inquisition
should he refuse to yield. Bellarmin now commands Gali-
leo, " in the name of His Holiness the Pope and the whole
Congregation of the Holy Office, to relinquish altogether
the opinion that the sun is the centre of the world and im-
movable, and that the earth moves, nor henceforth to hold,
teach, or defend it in any way whatsoever, verbally or in
writing." This injunction Galileo acquiesces in and prom-
ises to obey."

This was on the 26th of February, 1616. About a fort-
night later the Congregation of the Index, moved thereto,
as the letters and documents now brought to light show, by
Pope Paul V, solemnly rendered a decree that '* the doctrine
of the double motion of the earth about its axis and about the sun
is false and entirely contrary to Holy Scripture" ; and that
this opinion must neither be taught nor advocated. The
same decree condemned all writings of Copernicus and ''all
writings which affirm the motion of the earths The great
work of Copernicus was interdicted until corrected in ac-
cordance with the views of the Inquisition ; and the works
of Galileo and Kepler, though not mentioned by name at
that time, were included among those implicitly condemned
as "affirming the motion of the earth."

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