Kishkumen wrote:Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:What in your opinion could've exonerated Kavanaugh?
- Doc
An FBI investigation concluding he could not have done it.
I simply cannot believe that you are this past feeling and reason. Just as I cannot believe it possible that someone in DCP's position, or the position of the Q15, can possibly be genuinely ignorant enough to honorably say the things that they say. There must be some level of dishonesty at work. It is the same right now with you.
How many times have I witnessed you speak to the rigor and discipline of history on this forum? How to fairly and competently deal with evidence, witness testimony. Logical fallacies, burden of proof. Basic matters of logic like the inability to prove a negative, and the shameless dishonesty of apologists who leverage such tactics to pull the wool over ignorant eyes.
How often around here has brain science been discussed, the research of people like Loftus, how memories can be altered, spiritual experiences manufactured, unreliability of testimony, how people can genuinely and passionately believe all kinds of crazy ____ that never happened, etc.
Now here you are, doing the same. An apologist for your abortion cult.
If you assert the existence of unicorns, that's for you to corroborate. It's not for Kavanaugh, the FBI, or anybody else to disprove. And you know damn well, because it's only been pointed out about a thousand times, even by Joe Biden circa Clarence Thomas 1991, that this isn't what the FBI does. You're smarter than that. They do not corroborate or in any way adjudicate accusations. They are nothing more than a data collection service. They can go interview people, write up a report, and then hand it over to whoever the authoritative body is... in this case the Senate.
What would they investigate other than that which has been investigated already? You have an accusation, in which every single person named has denied the allegation under oath, under penalty of a felony, under penalty of federal prison time. No date, no place, no nothing. No additional details whatsoever that would lend to an investigation. And a mountain of details that challenge the accusations. Kavanaugh's calendars are compelling. He wasn't there, it limits the available times in which something like that could have happened. The physical locations, proximities of houses and such, don't add up. The social network also doesn't make sense, they weren't friends, they didn't know each other, and ran in very different circles. His relationships with other girls contradict this sort of behavior. Everything strongly refutes this woman's accusations. As many prosecutors and litigators have stated, including the woman Mitchell who did the questioning yesterday, there isn't enough to even justify a search warrant. Wipe the foam dripping off your mouth for a moment and let that sink in.
Where is consig? Isn't he a criminal defense attorney? I remember him expressing skepticism over the Denson accusations initially. And that was even with an audio recording. He had to listen, over and over, and really parse out the details before he believed her. And after others came forward confirming things like the existence of the basement room in the MTC. I'm very curious what he would have to say about all this. Consig, what's your opinion of this Avenatti character? What's your opinion of Ford's allegations in the context of exculpatory sworn testimony? Is there anything to pursue here, worth pursuing?
Additionally, despite all this, the FBI has in a manner or sorts investigated already. Through numerous through background checks, and by responding to these specific allegations as well, saying, there is nothing there sufficient to justify opening any investigation and they addended these allegations and their reaction to them to his recent background investigation.
And please, just stop. Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining. Don't insult my intelligence. This is all about delay delay delay. You know it. I know it. Don't play these ____ ____ games. You want to delay until after midterms, your Hail Mary play. Sorry, not falling for it. You can continue to pursue these allegations after his confirmation. Find some evidence, you can get Kavanaugh impeached. And imprisoned.
Moreover, the statute of limitations isn't even expired. Dr. Ford is free to walk into the Maryland police department and tell her story. They are free to open any investigation they like, and he can still be criminally prosecuted. And now, thanks to all the Senate testimony, he can he federally charged as well. Give me a call when Maryland police open an investigation. We're all waiting.
Your behavior here is nothing short of reprehensible. You are a party to using this poor woman, Dr. Ford, for your own self serving agenda.
Did you actually watch the hearing yesterday? Beginning to end? If you actually watched it, and are now here saying the things you're saying, boy, wow, you are inhuman. What kind of sociopath are you, seriously? What transpired there is objectively obvious to anybody with basic functioning human emotions.
If Kavanaugh was lying, my god, give that man an Oscar. That comes about as close to proving a negative, disproving these allegations, as could be conceivably possible.
That poor woman. Absolutely heartbreaking. This is a woman who so obviously has big problems. She needs love and therapists. Probably on drugs right then and there. Something, several things, were very off with her. A total mess. Democrats trot her out on the national stage to be humiliated and used.
Here you are, comparing Kavanaugh to Joseph Smith of all people. Haha. Spewing out all kinds of venom, speaking about cults and Trump. The eff are you talking about? Revealing your true agenda is all your doing. All these words, none of it having anything to do with Kavanaugh at all. You're totally deranged and obsessed with Trump. Completely willing to destroy this poor woman, Ford, and this innocent man, Kavanaugh, to feed your hatred.
I don't understand how Trump manages to get under your skin at such a deep and profound level. The fact that he's able to only confirms to me that he was the right guy for the job. I am not, in any way shape or form, obsessed with Trump or in some kind of personality cult.
You're a lunatic.
Trump appointed a guy that is eminently qualified for the Supreme Court. You've got even President Bush calling up guys like Flake whipping votes on his behalf. You show me a conservative voice anywhere, #NeverTrump, Jonah Golberg, that ____ David French, whoever, that has a substantive argument against Kavanaugh's appointment on the merits. There isn't one. But you've got this #Resist schtick and act like Kavanaugh must be opposed by any method because Cult of Trump, or something.
WTF are you talking about?
You're proving all the "wacky" conservative paranoias true. You are so obsessed with power you'll do ANYTHING. Literally. Why so obsessed with the Supreme Court? The meltdown. OMG, the sky is falling, we can't allow someone impartial who will rule based on the meaning of the text! We must have someone who will inject politics and social activism into their interpretations! This level of resistance proves our fears true. You people will lie, cheat, and steal. Fundamentally dishonest at your core, and have no respect for democracy or the individual.
And this is why you will continue to lose. This is why Trump. Because you lack the basic temperament to participate in reasonable discussions. You leave us no option but to get the clubs out.
This current debacle is YOUR FAULT. The only reason we're in this situation now is because the nuclear option was involved with Gorsuch. And why? Because of the democrats. If Democrats hadn't had a #resist at all costs attitude, Gorsuch would have easily passed with bipartisan support. But Democrats wouldn't allow that. So nuclear, and party line vote. If you had saved your filibuster nonsense, you could have deployed it right here and now for Kavanaugh instead. Folks like Flake and Collins and Sasse would have then easily been persuaded to side with the democrats and would have opposed a nuclear option on #MuhPrinciples.
Your fanaticism has caused all that has transpired. From Trump, to Gorsuch, now to Kavanaugh. Tick tock RBG! And Kavanaugh, goodness, wow y'all jumped the shark. Y'all could have made these bogus allegations work if you hadn't pushed it so hard. That spectacle yesterday was so reprehensible, you put all Republicans, and even some Democrats, in a situation where they have no choice but to vote for Kavanaugh. It's no longer even about his qualifications, if there was any remaining debate or legitimate disagreement to be had there. It's WW2 now. You're either with us, or the Nazis.
In one afternoon the Democrats managed to unite Republicans, something nobody else has been able to do, and destroy the #metoo movement at the same time. And probably gave us the House for Trump's full term as well. Haha. Thank you. Great job!
