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 Post subject: Joseph Smith stole the One Eternal Now
PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2018 10:14 am 
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Joseph Smith stole everything he ever got. He was a common thief to the ultimate degree. He stole from the Masons to make his own cult temple endowment. He stole from the bible, from novels, and books at his disposal. I just found out where he stole the statement or concept of "One Eternal Now". He was a thief who took credit for everything he ever stole and heaped it to himself as if it was a new revelation.

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The great Jehovah contemplated the whole of the events connected with the earth, pertaining to the plan of salvation, before it rolled into existence, or ever ‘the morning stars sang together' for joy; the past, the present, and the future were and are, with Him, one eternal "now;"


Joseph Smith stole the one eternal now from the 1830 Methodist Review:

The Methodist Review

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2018 12:54 pm 
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The "one eternal round" found in the Book of Mormon and Doctrine & Covenants was a concept which Joseph Smith used and incorporated into his phony revelations as if they were new and everlasting revelations heard for the first time. It was not new. Joseph Smith had to have known the Methodist Review and simply borrowed (at best) or stole (at worst) without giving credit to the real source but pretending to divine revelations in order to set himself up as the originator of fantastic concepts.

Joseph Smith stole the one eternal round from the 1830 Methodist Review:

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:44 pm 
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Joseph Smith wasn't actually very creative at all. He went from claiming he could find buried gold with magic rocks and a hat to claiming he could translate golden scriptures (which had been buried) with magic rocks and a hat...

Who buys that kind of nonsense?

To be fair, I used to. I was a TBM for the first 17 years of my life. Still...

Half of the Book of Mormon is "yea verily, I say unto you that it came to pass that inasmuch as..."

Such repetitive mind numbing drivel!

Not to mention the KJV plagiarism. Not much original material at all.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2018 11:44 am 
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Not to mention the KJV plagiarism.


I agree.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 7:10 am 
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Shulem wrote:
Joseph Smith stole everything he ever got. He was a common thief to the ultimate degree. He stole from the Masons to make his own cult temple endowment. He stole from the bible, from novels, and books at his disposal. He stole other men's wives because he was a horny ____. I just found out where he stole the statement or concept of "One Eternal Now". He was a thief who took credit for everything he ever stole and heaped it to himself as if it was a new revelation.

Joseph Smith wrote:
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The great Jehovah contemplated the whole of the events connected with the earth, pertaining to the plan of salvation, before it rolled into existence, or ever ‘the morning stars sang together' for joy; the past, the present, and the future were and are, with Him, one eternal "now;"


Joseph Smith stole the one eternal now from the 1830 Methodist Review:

The Methodist Review


This appears to me to be a “Big” find, another smoking gun even. This should be a Terrestrial thread.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 7:23 am 
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I have a question wrote:
This appears to me to be a “Big” find, another smoking gun even. This should be a Terrestrial thread.


What a wonderful morning to wake up and find this thread at the top of the heap. Yes, I wish it was in the terrestrial thread and don't recall how it ended up here other than I might have had posting restrictions at the time. I've had many posting restrictions over the years so I can't even begin to keep count of all those punishments.

Maybe Shades will move this up?? Pretty please with sugar on top. Ha ha.

I would love to have consiglieri (Radio Free Mormon) and Kishkumen pick this up. I have a feeling that the "One Eternal Now" sung by Joe the parrot would catch their interest. As a devout Mormon I was under the impression that this was a special revelation revealed to Joe by God himself and that the world didn't understand these things. Boy, was I ever wrong. It turns out the world understood a lot more than I ever realized and I gave Joe to much credit where credit was not due.

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Maybe Shades will move this up?? Pretty please with sugar on top. Ha ha.

As long as it contains the sentences "[DELETED]" it belongs here in the Telestial Forum.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:01 am 
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I removed that nasty bit all together and cleaned up the rest. So, how about it now?

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Pretty please?

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Is this Adam Clarke of the “one eternal now” the same person who wrote the commentary Joseph relied upon heavily when doing the JST?

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Dr. Shades wrote:
As long as it contains the sentences "[DELETED]" it belongs here in the Telestial Forum.

I removed that nasty bit all together and cleaned up the rest. So, how about it now?

You have to delete your quote of it too, you silly man!!

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You have to delete your quote of it too, you silly man!!


There, I got now. If you can send it up to a higher kingdom that would be nice.

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Is this Adam Clarke of the “one eternal now” the same person who wrote the commentary Joseph relied upon heavily when doing the JST?


I think so. What do you think, Kishy? I think this is a big find. I was so disappointed to learn that Smith was parroting what he had read or heard. I thought it was an original concept fallen from his lips. But apparently not.

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consiglieri, where are you when I need you?

What do you think about all this?

Don't you dare think about skipping this thread lest I skip my next donation. I'm behind and owe you.

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So where and when did Joseph Smith make this comment about the eternal now? It is a phrase which references traditional theological ideas which may not fit well with the later ideas Joseph was experimenting with. Is the date late indicating some vasilation of thought?


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consiglieri, where are you when I need you?

What do you think about all this?

Don't you dare think about skipping this thread lest I skip my next donation. I'm behind and owe you.

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I think you have made a significant find, Shulem!

I congratulate you on your percipience

So does Terryl.

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I am actually serious about this being the kind of thing Terryl would groove on.

Would you like me to transmit your find to him through back channels?

Terryl is pretty good about giving proper attribution.

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I am actually serious about this being the kind of thing Terryl would groove on.

Would you like me to transmit your find to him through back channels?

Terryl is pretty good about giving proper attribution.


:exclaim:

Sure, anything you can do would be appreciated. I'm pretty sure that the "One Eternal Now" that Joseph Smith adopted into his theology was one of many borrowings he picked up from various scholarly commentaries.

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So where and when did Joseph Smith make this comment about the eternal now? It is a phrase which references traditional theological ideas which may not fit well with the later ideas Joseph was experimenting with. Is the date late indicating some vasilation of thought?


Here:

Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 220; History of the Church, 4:597). wrote:
The great Jehovah contemplated the whole of the events connected with the earth, pertaining to the plan of salvation, before it rolled into existence, or ever ‘the morning stars sang together’ for joy; the past, the present, and the future were and are, with Him, one eternal 'now;'

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Shulem wrote:
consiglieri wrote:
I am actually serious about this being the kind of thing Terryl would groove on.

Would you like me to transmit your find to him through back channels?

Terryl is pretty good about giving proper attribution.


:exclaim:

Sure, anything you can do would be appreciated. I'm pretty sure that the "One Eternal Now" that Joseph Smith adopted into his theology was one of many borrowings he picked up from various scholarly commentaries.


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You know, it occurs to me we have not yet seen the actual correspondences found between Clark's commentary and the Joseph Smith translation. I wonder if this is among them. Hard to know when it has not been published yet.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:27 pm 
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“One eternal round” appears in the Methodist Review in 1821 and was also found in multiple hymns in the mid 1820s.

https://books.google.com/books?id=M6RJA ... 22&f=false

https://books.google.com/books?id=CioPA ... 22&f=false

https://books.google.com/books?id=X_BNA ... 4Q6AEIXDAI

Reminds me of “Redeeming Love” — revival era hymn phrase becomes rousing Nephite theological exhortation.


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