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 Post subject: From: That Lovely Morning
PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 2:10 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: That Lovely Morning
PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 2:43 pm 
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Lemmie wrote:
... I apologize that part of my post started a mopologist derailment, that was obviously not my intent!


And my intent was not to derail. If my participation is being seen as such, I will withdraw myself from the conversation.

Granted, I was questioning the accepted opinions that were being expressed and presenting some alternative ways/possibilities of viewing things...be that as it may.

I know and/or can see when I've reached my maximum word count in a thread. Apparently I have reached it.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 2:45 pm 
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MG isn't this dumb, just as DCP isn't that incompetent. MG is lying. His entire objective is to 1) waste people's time, 2) litter this thread, 3) cloud the discussion. He'll say the same thing, over and over, until this thread is 20 pages long. This is seen as a strategic victory for the One True Team, as it wastes their "enemies" time resources. Time that could be spent poking even more holes in the Good Ship Zion. Plus it graffitis the thread, affects internet search indexing, etc., and makes the topic all that much more tedious for anybody out there on the net who might be reading along. And he enjoys it. He gets a sadistic pleasure out of frustrating people.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 2:53 pm 
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MG isn't this dumb, just as DCP isn't that incompetent. MG is lying. His entire objective is to 1) waste people's time, 2) litter this thread, 3) cloud the discussion. He'll say the same thing, over and over, until this thread is 20 pages long. This is seen as a strategic victory for the One True Team, as it wastes their "enemies" time resources. Time that could be spent poking even more holes in the Good Ship Zion. Plus it graffitis the thread, affects internet search indexing, etc., and makes the topic all that much more tedious for anybody out there on the net who might be reading along. And he enjoys it. He gets a sadistic pleasure out of frustrating people.


And after all the ugliness of a few months back. Pretty disgusting that the TBMs can't field a better representative but also significant. :wink:

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 3:00 pm 
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And after all the ugliness of a few months back. Pretty disgusting that the TBMs can't field a better representative but also significant. :wink:

They don't want a "better" representative. Someone with credentials getting taken to the woodshed is bad for business, the village idiot on the other hand... he must be tolerated or it makes exmos look mean. Then they can howl, "see, see, look what angry, bitter people they are. they pick on the special olympics."


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 4:41 pm 
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Water Dog wrote:
deletion of a man that is masturbating posted by Water Dog

Water Dog, this is absolutely disgusting. My gosh, there are women and other folks here that don't have the same kind of perverted humor that you have. Have you no shame? Have you so little respect for others that you must lower yourself to this type of degradation?

If this is where your exit from belief in the restored gospel has taken you...I honestly feel sorry for you. You poor little man.

I remember at one time months back you actually had some civil bones in your body. No more.

Sad.

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Water Dog wrote:
MG isn't this dumb, just as DCP isn't that incompetent. MG is lying. His entire objective is to 1) waste people's time, 2) litter this thread, 3) cloud the discussion.

That is not true and you are a liar.

Water Dog wrote:
He'll say the same thing, over and over...

Because others are saying...more or less...the same thing over and over and over and over.

Water Dog wrote:
...until this thread is 20 pages long.

A good conversation could actually go that long.

Water Dog wrote:
This is seen as a strategic victory for the One True Team, as it wastes their "enemies" time resources.

And again, you lie. That is not my intent at all. Any 'honest in heart' folks here can readily see through your deception.

Water Dog wrote:
Time that could be spent poking even more holes in the Good Ship Zion.

And there you have it folks. The one and only reason/purpose for the existence of this board. Anyone that comes here to poke holes into the existing bubble of conformity is attacked mercilessly.

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Plus it graffitis the thread...

I would challenge you or anyone to go back in this thread and show that I am merely spraying "graffiti" with no other object in mind.

Water Dog wrote:
...affects internet search indexing...

So as to disrupt what? Your motives and purposes? Interesting, but not surprising.

Water Dog wrote:
...and makes the topic all that much more tedious for anybody out there on the net who might be reading along.

And here we are again. Self proscribed judges of what is and what isn't acceptable free speech. Sound familiar? Go read the news.

Water Dog wrote:
And he enjoys it.

I enjoy the conversation...and did...until I saw that my maximum word limit was reached when I was being accused of derailment.

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He gets a sadistic pleasure out of frustrating people.

Again, you are a liar. That is not my purpose and reason for participation here. Those that are honest in heart will be able to see through your deception and lies.

"Sadistic pleasure." You have a dark sense of perversion and unhealthy anger that comes through your words.

You have sunk to lows that I wouldn't expect that someone would who once had a belief in the gospel of Christ could sink. Reminds me of a scripture or two that I won't quote because you would simply ridicule and throw spittle.

That others will probably condone and/or support you in you posting style using crude and vulgar pictures, etc., is telling. Although I would hope that there are those here that can see through your overt lies/untruths.

I am not who you think and/or describe me as.

Again, and finally, you are a liar.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 4:49 pm 
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Yeah, mg, your entire response to Water Dog is absolute BS.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 6:48 pm 
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Kishkumen wrote:
Yeah, mg, your entire response to Water Dog is absolute BS.


Yeah, of course. Not. From my perspective anyway, if that even matters. It does to me.

Global and all encompassing response. Nice. Who would have EVER expected that? :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: That Lovely Morning
PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 7:30 pm 
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Kishkumen wrote:
Excellent find, Lemmie. Mg is the poster child of confirmation bias.


And yet we have/add an other example...to the first...of a gross misrepresentation and generalization.

I would say, "Well played" but I would not be explicitly accurate in doing so. :wink: Far from it.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 8:29 pm 
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MG, nobody is buying it. Stop playing dumb.


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 Post subject: Re: That Lovely Morning
PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 8:59 pm 
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Most importantly I realized long ago for Mopes it isn't important what is said to be true, but rather what's important is to say something. A Mope can just crap out anything and that's that. Rebuttal finished and accepted. The follow-on piece to this strategy is to play the victim when people reject the first step.

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Would you like to engage substantively rather than criticize?

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 Post subject: Re: That Lovely Morning
PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 9:07 pm 
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Water Dog wrote:
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MG, nobody is buying it. Stop playing dumb.

At least...as far as I know (unless there is some hidden meaning with playing in green paint inside of a swimming pool)...but I could be mistaken, you didn't go for the vulgarity and vicious lies this time around. Although after reading (and having to look at your pornographic video clip) your previous post I will NEVER look at you the same again. At one time I had a degree of respect for the positions you were taking because you did so without getting all hot and bothered. Your style has changed dramatically.

Care to actually engage in the conversation without the ad hominem?

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2018 8:06 am 
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mentalgymnast wrote:
And yet we have/add an other example...to the first...of a gross misrepresentation and generalization.

I would say, "Well played" but I would not be explicitly accurate in doing so. :wink: Far from it.

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From where I'm standing, that quote from you seems directly applicable to this thread. Can you explain how you've been misrepresented or over-generalized?

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2018 8:31 am 
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Care to actually engage in the conversation without the ad hominem?

Having and expressing the opinion that you're dishonest isn't an example of argumentum ad hominem. If I had said, "Stevenson's memory of his experience with Joseph Smith sixty years prior was biased because MG is a liar," on the other hand, perhaps you'd have a point.

As to engaging the conversation, that's precisely what I'm doing. The OP is about deceptive apologetics. You are an object lesson of the same. I realize you aren't responsible for DCP's mendacity, but I do hold you responsible for your own. Puff up with righteous indignation all you want, I don't believe you. On the off chance that you are being sincere let me repeat that - I do not believe you. I think you are smart, and clever, and this is a game for you. Frankly, it wouldn't surprise me if you were DCP. I have known people IRL, one guy in particular, who spends inordinate amounts of time on message boards with the specific objective of trolling people. He creates countless socks that he will spend years establishing trusted personalities with so that he can screw with people down the road. And for him this "war" with "anti Mormons" is a very real thing and he sees himself as a kind of solider. Not figuratively, but literally. I don't think he's entirely sane, a psychopath really, but he's not dumb. A very intelligent, clever, and highly manipulative person. I believe you to be someone like this. When you speak, it is always calculated.

Show of hands, is there anyone here who believes MG's crocodile tears to be real?

I don't believe for a second that you are such a child that a sarcastic gif depicting a jerk off motion would cause your brain to melt. You're an adult man, presumably, and you've been on this board for what, over a decade? It's like that thread with what's her name that happened recently. There is a board culture. My crassness on this thread hardly even scratches the surface of what goes on around here. You've survived that culture for over a decade, not to mention the brutal rawness of church history itself, but suddenly mild locker room humor and you say things like, "I will NEVER look at you the same again." Yah, ok.

There is no way your reaction is genuine. If it is, good lord, you have psychological problems. You're putting on a big show, nothing more, nothing less. Which is the same thing that DCP is doing. And you'll keep playing that game for as long as people continue to be willing to respond to you. The bigger the reaction the better. Just like DCP, you get off on the reaction. "Oh look, I really got them worked up this time."


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2018 8:43 am 
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Having and expressing the opinion that you're dishonest isn't an example of argumentum ad hominem. If I had said, "Stevenson's memory of his experience with Joseph Smith sixty years prior was biased because MG is a liar," on the other hand, perhaps you'd have a point.

As to engaging the conversation, that's precisely what I'm doing. The opening post is about deceptive apologetics. You are an object lesson of the same. I realize you aren't responsible for DCP's mendacity, but I do hold you responsible for your own. Puff up with righteous indignation all you want, I don't believe you. On the off chance that you are being sincere let me repeat that - I do not believe you. I think you are smart, and clever, and this is a game for you. Frankly, it wouldn't surprise me if you were DCP. I have known people IRL, one guy in particular, who spends inordinate amounts of time on message boards with the specific objective of trolling people. He creates countless socks that he will spend years establishing trusted personalities with so that he can screw with people down the road. And for him this "war" with "anti Mormons" is a very real thing and he sees himself as a kind of solider. Not figuratively, but literally. I don't think he's entirely sane, a psychopath really, but he's not dumb. A very intelligent, clever, and highly manipulative person. I believe you to be someone like this. When you speak, it is always calculated.

Show of hands, is there anyone here who believes MG's crocodile tears to be real?

I don't believe for a second that you are such a child that a sarcastic gif depicting a jerk off motion would cause your brain to melt. You're an adult man, presumably, and you've been on this board for what, over a decade? It's like that thread with what's her name that happened recently. There is a board culture. My crassness on this thread hardly even scratches the surface of what goes on around here. You've survived that culture for over a decade, not to mention the brutal rawness of church history itself, but suddenly mild locker room humor and you say things like, "I will NEVER look at you the same again." Yah, ok.

There is no way your reaction is genuine. If it is, good lord, you have psychological problems. You're putting on a big show, nothing more, nothing less. Which is the same thing that DCP is doing. And you'll keep playing that game for as long as people continue to be willing to respond to you. The bigger the reaction the better. Just like DCP, you get off on the reaction. "Oh look, I really got them worked up this time."


for what it's worth, I had lunch with MG several years ago, and I can assure you he appears to be totally sincere. I have the same issues with his posts, but I don't think he's a troll.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 2:57 pm 
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Runtu wrote:
Can you explain how you've been misrepresented or over-generalized?


I felt/believe Water Dog went a bit too far. But it's Water (pun intended) under the bridge now. Except for my sigline that I'll keep for now.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 2:59 pm 
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Water Dog wrote:
I don't believe for a second that you are such a child that a sarcastic gif depicting a jerk off motion would cause your brain to melt.

I think it was offensive within the context that it was posted.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2018 12:12 am 
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mentalgymnast wrote:
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Can you explain how you've been misrepresented or over-generalized?

I felt/believe Water Dog went a bit too far. But it's Water (pun intended) under the bridge now. Except for my sigline that I'll keep for now.

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How/In what way/ways is/was Water Dog going a bit too far a misrepresentation and/or an over-generalisation of you?

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2018 12:29 am 
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mentalgymnast wrote:
Runtu wrote:
Can you explain how you've been misrepresented or over-generalized?

I felt/believe Water Dog went a bit too far. But it's Water (pun intended) under the bridge now. Except for my sigline that I'll keep for now.

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I have a question wrote:
How/In what way/ways is/was Water Dog going a bit too far a misrepresentation and/or an over-generalisation of you?


Runtu's actual post was this:
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From where I'm standing, that quote from you seems directly applicable to this thread. Can you explain how you've been misrepresented or over-generalized?

Runtu was responding to this:
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And yet we have/add an other example...to the first...of a gross misrepresentation and generalization.

I would say, "Well played" but I would not be explicitly accurate in doing so. :wink: Far from it.

Regards,
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And mg's post above was in response to this:
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Excellent find, Lemmie. Mg is the poster child of confirmation bias.
Kishkumen's comment was in response to this post:
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I resent the fundamental dishonesty of the whole exercise, be it PhD-credential-bearing apologists or milquetoast sado-masochistis on obscure message boards. They disrespect everyone by deliberately underperforming and failing to scrutinize adequately the evidence. All is thrown into the goal of believing, regardless of the quality or truthfulness of the object of belief.

So true. The last time I recall people's written experiences being discussed, the writer in question was not supportive of an LDS position. Somehow, the poster on this thread --who today can't bring himself to consider the veracity of a 60 year old evolving remembrance verifiably influenced by then current writings-- said this:
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… I brought up this exact dilemma that we run into as we use historical sources as evidence. Their provenance, unless traced and verified by a qualified/trusted historian, is going to be at risk....

Sorry that I'm skeptical of folks from the past and accepting their word as 'gospel truth'.....

We don't know for a fact whether or not the folks you've quoted are being objective or subjective.

http://www.mormondiscussions.com/phpBB3 ... &start=252

The goal is believing, and it wreaks havoc on one's efforts to think to the best of their abilities. It is a distasteful way to use one's mind.
Runtu's post had nothing to do with Water Dog's posts. Mg's post is misleading. He was not overgeneralized or misrepresented,. He was quoted exactly, expressing the exact opposite opinion that he is using now, when he previously wanted to object to statements.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 6:34 am 
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I see we are still waiting for mentalgymnast to grow a pair and answer directly the question posed by Runtu...

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