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 Post subject: Re: Inconsistent Stories (Early Mormonism)
PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:00 pm 
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Mental will focus on ad hominem and I'll bet that he won't ever address that one of his "PROPHETS" gave a prophecy that the Book of Mormon had PROVEN ITSELF FALSE. (And it actually came true). He'll NEVER discuss that. That would actually be addressing the EVIDENCE, something he never does.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:04 pm 
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Notice that there are other outstanding questions to the TROLL on other threads, but Mental just concentrates on Trolling me. This lack of integrity is truly mind boggling. But, you can't polish a TURD. And you sure don't want to step on one. But like ____ if you happen to step on it, you can't seem to get it off or the stink of it. His farts in the wind are the warning of the ____ to come. Every time.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:10 pm 
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grindael wrote:
Notice that there are other outstanding questions to the TROLL on other threads, but Mental just concentrates on Trolling me. This lack of integrity is truly mind boggling. But, you can't polish a TURD. And you sure don't want to step on one. But like ____ if you happen to step on it, you can't seem to get it off or the stink of it. His farts in the wind are the warning of the ____ to come. Every time.

Your response does not lend itself to a productive/civil conversation and/or discussion. It does lead us down a road that ultimately leads to a cul-de-sac/dead end where we find ourselves going round and round wasting each other's time.

Agreed?

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:15 pm 
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MY response does not lend itself to a productive/civil conversation and/or discussion. It does lead ME down a road that ultimately leads to a cul-de-sac/dead end where I find MYSELF going round and round wasting EVERYONE'S time.

Agreed?

(Translated from the Reformed ____.) Yes I agree that you are a ____ and a troll and that you are wasting everyone's time.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:23 pm 
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grindael wrote:
mentalgymnast wrote:
MY response does not lend itself to a productive/civil conversation and/or discussion. It does lead ME down a road that ultimately leads to a cul-de-sac/dead end where I find MYSELF going round and round wasting EVERYONE'S time.

Agreed?

(Translated from the Reformed ____.) Yes I agree that you are a ____ and a troll and that you are wasting everyone's time.

Strike three. You're out! You are misquoting me, and as such...you are lying. I didn't say what you are quoting me as saying.

Liar, liar, pants on fire.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:25 pm 
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mentalgymnast wrote:
Strike three. I'M out! You are NOT misquoting me, and as such.. I are lying. I DID say what you are quoting me as saying.

Liar, liar, OMG MY pants on fire.

(Translated from the Reformed ____)

Well, put them out! :redface:

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:28 pm 
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grindael wrote:
mentalgymnast wrote:
Strike three. I'M out! You are NOT misquoting me, and as such.. I are lying. I DID say what you are quoting me as saying.

Liar, liar, OMG MY pants on fire.

(Translated from the Reformed ____)

Well, put them out! :redface:

This is ridiculous grindael.

Troll.

You have misquoted me again. As such, you are again being exposed as a liar. What does that say about you?

What else are you willing to do besides falsely attribute something to me that I didn't say?

Can you be trusted?

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:31 pm 
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mentalgymnast wrote:
This is ridiculous Mental.

Troll.

I have quoted me again. As such, I am again being exposed as a liar. What does that say about ME?

What else AM I willing to do besides attribute something to me I DID say?

Can I be trusted?

(Translated from the Reformed ____)

No, you can't be trusted. And yes, you are a troll. Glad you admit it here for all to see.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:34 pm 
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grindael wrote:
mentalgymnast wrote:
This is ridiculous Mental.

Troll.

I have quoted me again. As such, I am again being exposed as a liar. What does that say about ME?

What else AM I willing to do besides attribute something to me I DID say?

Can I be trusted?

(Translated from the Reformed ____)

No, you can't be trusted. And yes, you are a troll. Glad you admit it here for all to see.

Done. Have a nice day.

Derail.

Troll.

Liar.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:37 pm 
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mentalgymnast wrote:
NOT Done. I'll NEVER have a nice day.

Derail.

Troll.

Liar.

I am all of the above.

(Translated from the Reformed ____ by the gift and power of subjective experience and if you read, and pray, you too will know the truth of this translation by the gift and power of subjective experience or as Mental puts it a burning in the lower parts)

Yes, you are all of the above. It's so very nice to see you admit it. Thank you very much. But done? No, you are not because YOU NEVER KEEP YOUR WORD. Watch and see. That is why a translation is really needed for what you claim to be saying. You're Welcome. :wink:

Rolaids?

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 6:07 pm 
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mentalgymnast wrote:
(Translated from the Reformed ____)

I did not write this as quoted... I never wrote "____"

You have misquoted me again. What does that say about you?

What else are you willing to do besides falsely attribute something to me that I didn't write?

Can you be trusted?

I feel unsafe. Can someone please stop this horrible practice of misquoting people? :rolleyes:

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 8:52 pm 
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I have reviewed the podcast mental posted, it is an interview with Kahneman, who received the Nobel prize for his work in Behavioral Economics, which, coincidentally, falls within my field of study.

After reviewing the podcast and mental's comments, I have to agree with grindael that mg did NOT actually listen to the full podcast, and seems to have lifted the entirety of his opinion about the broadcast from a single paragraph in the introductory section of the transcript:
mental wrote:
This podcast opened up a number insights and points of view that I hadn't fleshed out to the extent that this fellow has.

:lol: ya think? Maybe his Nobel prize in the topic could have tipped you off.

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In that process I observed that neither I or anyone else can be completely aware of all of our own personal biases or incomplete or distorted mental maps. We all are subject to influences that gum up the works in regards to rationality and logic.

grindael covered extremely well your misinterpretation that you obviously took from this single comment below:

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Well, the concept of rationality is a technical, mathematical concept. It’s illogic. And it is actually completely not possible for a finite human mind to be rational or to obey the axioms of rationality. You’d have to know too much. The difficulty of being consistent in all your beliefs is impossible. And if you are not consistent in all your beliefs, you can be trapped in an inconsistency, and then you are not rational. So the concept of rationality, the technical concept of rationality, is psychologically nonsense.

The problem is, that was an introductory exchange, where the interviewer asks him about his overall philosophy :

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Host: And yet, even this idea of rationality and many of our disciplines formed around that presumption — certainly, economics…

The actual podcast is a discussion of his current work. The podcast host continues:

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In his 2011 book Thinking, Fast and Slow, Daniel Kahneman brought a core idea from academic psychology into mainstream cultural dialogue, the notion that human behavior at any given moment is an interplay between two forms or systems of thinking.

after that, in my opinion, you had no idea what the podcast discussed so you invented your own "synopsis":

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Granted, some are more practiced and able to get at theorems that are accepted by a greater number of people. But to get to a theorem the axiomatic statements along the way have to be thoroughly established and accepted.


No, that was not discussed in the podcast. Kahneman discussed the use of individually formed heuristics, NOT "thoroughly established and accepted" axioms underlying theorems:
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Well, actually, the cognitive rules are, to a large extent, simplifying rules. They are shortcuts. Our examples were sort of amusing and clever, and they impressed people, because they were highly quotable. They could be summarized in one-liners. So we earned that label of being prophets of irrationality by doing psychology in an amusing way.

Another statement playing fast and loose with the truth:
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It's important to remember that no ONE of us can come to and progress through a line of investigation...especially in the study of history...without making missteps along the way.

That applies to you also.

No, that was not a concept discussed in the podcast. Here is the topic:

Quote:
the term “behavioral economics,” as it is used today, the kinds of things that behavioral economists are supposed to do, that’s really social psychology. It’s principles about how to affect behavior.


Bottom line, mentalgymnast is misrepresenting the podcast, if he even listened at all. More likely, he just lifted a word or two from the transcript that matched his search.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 9:06 pm 
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He didn't listen to it. He's just doing his scan and google shtick.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:08 pm 
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MentalGymnast wrote:
Hi grindael, you continually come back to "rational" thinking.

Might I suggest you listen to this podcast?

https://onbeing.org/programs/daniel-kah ... r-oct2017/

You are not being rational. It's not humanly possible.


MG, your response is idiotic. What you're doing is like, in a court case, there's all this evidence against the alleged criminal you're defending, and suddenly you cite some guy's totally unrelated podcast on behavioral economics and declare that it's impossible to be rational, and therefore no one has a privileged access to the truth to convict the defendant for the crime. Totally stupid.

Besides, if it's so hard to be rational, then how do you know the guy who is making the argument against rationality is doing so rationally? How do you know his argument against rationality is any more rational than Grindael's?


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 11:00 pm 
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Well, I have to thank MDicknastic for affirming that Joseph Smith and the rest of his successors have never been rational. It's IMPOSSIBLE for them to have been at all. That's the freaking answer to all this inconsistency. Wow. Here's my book...

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Joseph Smith was not rational so he had many Spiritual Wives.

I can see the Book Awards coming a mile away! :lol:

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 11:14 pm 
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According to MDicknastic,

Lucy Smith: Never rational.
Joseph Smith, Sr. Never rational.
David Whitmer: Never rational.
Oliver Cowdery: Never rational.
Martin Harris: Never rational.
Hyrum Smith: Never rational.
William Smith: Never rational.
Brigham Young: Never rational.
Joseph Smith: Never rational.
Emma Smith: Never rational.
Joseph Knight: Never rational.
Josiah Stowell: Never rational.
The Eight Witnesses: Never rational.
The Twelve Apostles: Never rational.

Mormonism: Irrational.

What else can be said? Oh yeah,

MDicknastic: Never rational.

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Antonyms for rational
careless
confused
foolish
idiotic
illogical
insane
irrational
nonsensical
senseless
stupid
thoughtless
unbalanced
unintelligen
tunreasonable
unstable
unsystematic
unwise
agitated
excited
ridiculous
unrealistic
unsound


This is what MDicknastic claims that everyone has to be since it is IMPOSSIBLE to be the opposite of these things, RATIONAL. Simply mindboggling.

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