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 Post subject: Re: Civil marriage first: A temple wedding petition.
PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 8:59 am 
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Pahoran sure is invested in defending this arbitrary, non-doctrine based policy. Maybe he likes it so much because it's so fundamentally unnecessary and mean-spirited - just like him.

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 Post subject: Re: Civil marriage first: A temple wedding petition.
PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 3:24 am 
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Pahoran wrote:
Polygamy-Porter wrote:
I post about a religion that I know to be false with complete certainty.

No. You do not.

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I have not allowed them in my home for over six years now. I made it very clear to the current bishop and then the next bishop that they keep their home teachers and primary teachers out of my family life or I would fill his office with questioning doubters.

So your beer gut is so huge you could fill his office on your own, is it?

See PP, if you weren't such an insecure manipulator, you'd be content to say "please do not contact me" without resorting to threats and ultimatums.

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So far he has honored that agreement and so have I.

He, because he is an honourable man, and you, because your threat was empty anyway.

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I chose to exit the LDS religious façade and felt it was my duty as a father to lead my children out as well.

Because you are too immature, insecure and posessive to be able to bear the thought of them enjoying the privileges you have spurned. They have to sit at home watching you guzzle beer instead.

What are you going to do if, when they grow up, they decide they want to come back to the Church? Beat it out of them?

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Geezus! No wonder some say Mormons aren't Christian. This guy certainly doesn't have the slightest clue what Christ was talking about.


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 Post subject: Re: Civil marriage first: A temple wedding petition.
PostPosted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 2:03 pm 
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Because you are too immature, insecure and posessive to be able to bear the thought of them enjoying the privileges you have spurned. They have to sit at home watching you guzzle beer instead.

What are you going to do if, when they grow up, they decide they want to come back to the Church? Beat it out of them?


You know what, Pahoran? It is THIS style of posting you do that is embarrassing.

I understand that Port posts a lot of smack about the Church. I get it. But you have no right to attack his standing as a responsible parent. That is WAY out of line.

I have known Port personally for years. He has six beautiful children, and loves them more than life itself. He has sacrificed everything for them. You have no idea what this man has been through over the past two years.


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 Post subject: Re: Civil marriage first: A temple wedding petition.
PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 9:32 am 
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This whole temple marriage thing is one of the church's best strong arm tactics. If you want to attend a family member's wedding you have to jump through all the hoops. It will cost you free labor and ten percent of your income. You really have to buy your way into the temple and the church is the beneficiary.

If a couple decides to have a real wedding and wait for one year for the temple sealing, they will be given a story about some couple who did the same and were killed in a car accident before they were able to be sealed. They will also be told that they are putting the world before the church. God really frowns on that. The church is using fear to make people conform.

If the church decided to let non-members or unworthy members into the sealing they would lose this tactic of conformity. People would also see how lame the sealing really is and wonder what all the hype was about. If the church took away the one year waiting period then people would have real weddings and the sealing could be done a week later. Temple weddings could take a back seat to real weddings. What if everyone started doing that? This sealing thing wouldn't be nearly as ominous.

As it stands, if a couple decides to have a real wedding, then the church has a year to heap on the fear and indoctrination. This couple will have to be kick-ass members for a year if they want to be sealed. They will also be held up as an example of what not to do.

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PostPosted: Tue May 07, 2019 5:06 am 
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Pahoran wrote:
Since you don't know, let me explain to you how real Latter-day Saints view this issue.

Here in New Zealand, for many years we were not able to have actual temple weddings; we had to have civil marriages first and be sealed afterwards. The members lobbied the government for years to change the law so that temple weddings would be legal.

In all that time, there was not one faithful Church member who dissented.

And it won't matter if you get 300 signatures or 300,000 signatures; there will be not one faithful Church member among them.

And the brethren will know that.

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:lol: :lol: :lol:

Good job, those of us who signed the petition. We did it!

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PostPosted: Tue May 07, 2019 5:09 am 
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Here is what I wrote about the civil marriage penalty policy on my blog in 2010.

Looks like I may have understood faithful Mormonism a bit better than I was given credit for:

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A couple of days after I told my parents about my engagement to [my Mormon 1st husband], my mother called me up sounding very concerned. “Am I going to be able to see your wedding?” she asked nervously. Someone at her job had told her that if I was marrying a Mormon, she would be excluded from the wedding. I tried to explain that I as a non-member could not get married in a temple, but she had little understanding of LDS doctrine and she was not interested in learning. I assured her that she would be welcome at my wedding.

This got me pondering though: what would I have done if I had been an LDS convert? Current LDS policy states that if you get married outside of the temple, you cannot get sealed until one year after your wedding. People from part-member families sometimes do ring ceremonies after the sealing to try and appease the excluded parties, but I’ve been told that seldom smoothes away all the bitterness. I know that would not have been good enough for my mother.

Furthermore, in countries where the LDS church does not have legal authority to marry people, members are required to get married outside the temple before they can get sealed in it, so there’s no one-year wait there. Why impose that on American members? Why not let couples from part-member families have weddings outside the temple, then get sealed a week later?

“You don’t understand the sacredness of the temple,” my LDS friends usually tell me with just the right tinge of self-righteousness. Well, you got me there, I guess I don’t. But I do understand the sacredness of family, and I say this divisive marriage policy is bosh. I also predict it gets repealed before the end of my lifetime, assuming that I live to old age.

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37 years is pretty old, so I think I got this one right. ;-)

Congratulations to my Mormon friends who now have the option of having friends of all faiths and children of all ages present at their weddings. What a blessing!

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PostPosted: Wed May 08, 2019 7:52 pm 
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God I wish Pahoran would come back and discuss this thread. That guy was such a douche canoe.

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PostPosted: Thu May 09, 2019 9:47 pm 
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God I wish Pahoran would come back and discuss this thread. That guy was such a douche canoe.

As long as we do not run across him in a dark alley at night we have nothing to fear. I bet Pahoran has grown less abrasive over the years, probably to the extent that we would be perfectly safe in that same alley during the daytime.

Now that the Church has rescinded that odious policy, he would no longer feel a need to vehemently defend it.

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