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 Post subject: It's Time: To give our guns to Hitler
PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2018 3:43 am 
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That's what Leftists want to do anyway....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mz0hRo-dkcI

by the way, some fun facts....

- The lowest estimate is that at minimum 200,000 peoples lives are saved by guns every year in the U.S. Only 40,000 die by guns from all causes, something like 60% is from suicide alone, and the actual death by homicide is something crazy low like 12,000.

- No place on the planet has gun bans actually caused "overall death rates" to go down (save an African city in which everyone was killing everyone else). In other words, gun bans don't save lives, in fact, more innocent end up dead because they can no longer defend themselves and the criminals remain alive to do more harm.

So, you do the math. Leftists like to claim the NRA and guns are the problem, and if we just didn't have guns then nobody would die. Yet, there's no place that this has occurred (modern country anyway). Even "gun death rates" don't often go down, like in Australia which is praised by Leftists, they conveniently ignore the fact that gun death rates (both homicide and suicide) went down the EXACT rates after the gun ban that they were going down for the prior 15 years. In other words, there is no statistical correlation that the gun ban actually reduced even gun death rates, let alone death rates period.

It's just like Socialism. There's no place that it's occurred that it ended up being a good thing.

The Left and the Right both have "good intentions".... The difference is the results/fruits of those intentions which is mostly what makes who's on the side of evil. Satan had good intentions, he wanted everyone to return home to God.... But he wanted to take away peoples free agency to do it. This is why Leftists are on the Left, because they actually follow Satan, the father of lies and perversion.

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 Post subject: Re: It's Time: To give our guns to Hitler
PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2018 11:06 pm 
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To mimic the presentation style of the video: "Ex-wife beater, divorcee, cop-impersonator, socialist welfare recipient and stolen valor offender 'ldsfaqs' has returned to Mormon Discussions' to post YouTube videos created by partisan idiots" ...


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 Post subject: Re: It's Time: To give our guns to Hitler
PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 9:56 pm 
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ldsfaqs wrote:
by the way, some fun facts....- The lowest estimate is that at minimum 200,000 peoples lives are saved by guns every year in the U.S. Only 40,000 die by guns from all causes, something like 60% is from suicide alone, and the actual death by homicide is something crazy low like 12,000.

Okay, got a couple of questions:

THE LOWEST ESTIMATE IS THAT AT MINIMUM 200,000 LIVES ARE SAVED BY GUNS EVERY YEAR IN THE U.S.
  • Why aren't Trump, the GOP and the gun lobby shouting this number from the rooftops in full page ads and TV commercials?
  • What data was used to substantiate the number 200,000?
  • If guns save 200,000 U.S. lives every year, Why has the gun lobby prohibited the CDC from studying gun violence as a health issue?
  • If 200,000 lives a year are saved by large numbers of guns in private hands, are countries that do NOT have high numbers of gun ownership having far more deaths?
  • How are those deaths tabulated?

The thing is faqs, you hear a number like 200,000 lives are saved every year by gun ownership, you have to look beyond the fact that this helps your argument and think about the methodology required to come up with a figure like that. It's a lot easier to prove that someone was killed with a gun than someone was not killed because of a gun. How are the incidents collected, verified and tabulated? Has the evidence been verified in similar studies?

By your calculations, guns save (AT A MINIMUM!) a net 160,000 lives a year. It's only logical that other industrialized western nations looking at our wonderful experience would be saying WE WANT MORE GUNS! And yet most of the Western world look at the American experience with guns as a dysfunctional aberration rather than American exceptionalism.

And a final, theoretical question: Is there EVER a point where you would say we have too many guns, and where would that point be?

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 Post subject: Re: It's Time: To give our guns to Hitler
PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 8:23 am 
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ldsfaqs wrote:
- No place on the planet has gun bans actually caused "overall death rates" to go down (save an African city in which everyone was killing everyone else). In other words, gun bans don't save lives, in fact, more innocent end up dead because they can no longer defend themselves and the criminals remain alive to do more harm.

I'm left to wonder, did you not notice when I shared official statistics from not a city, but an entire country, that ran counter to this claim of yours? Or is it that you read it, but just forgot?

Either way, I'm happy to help you by reminding you that you are wrong.

You're welcome.

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