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 Post subject: Medicare for All? Why It Can't Work - Bernie Sanders
PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2017 9:26 pm 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enuw-sexHeM

This video goes through several of the problems.
Leftists simply don't get, that despite its flaws, the American Healthcare IS the best in the world.
You actually want to get treated, ALL classes and incomes, even no income, and in a timely manner, then America is where it's at.
I should know, I've had all kinds of healthcare in my life, and most of it the hospitals, aka everyone else (thus we do have socialized healthcare already) paid for it, I got it "free".
- Motorcycle Accident, pulled out a bunch a gravel from elbow, free
- 3rd Degree burns when 2 due to mother putting me in hot water, free
- Gall Bladder removed, free
- Sleep Apena visits and machine, free
- Some eye care, free
etc.

Of course, not actually free, but they eat the costs, and everyone else pays.
Not ideal, system should be more free market and other solutions related like it used to be 50+ years ago, and could be more so today, but it is what it is.
Socialism is the "easy" and lazy way to solve problems, and the problem is it makes things worse.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 7:55 am 
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Faqs, what free market solution would have allowed a non-job holding individual to pay for sleep apnea doctor visits and the machine?

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Faqless:

50 years ago hospitals weren't a for profit business.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 10:10 am 
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I should know, I've had all kinds of healthcare in my life, and most of it the hospitals, aka everyone else (thus we do have socialized healthcare already) paid for it, I got it "free".

Must be nice having personal ethics that don't impede taking such a course.

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Socialism is the "easy" and lazy way to solve problems, and the problem is it makes things worse.

If you're worried about making things worse, then stop getting all your medical treatments for free.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 1:45 pm 
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Steven Crowder is a con-man, he only cherry picks his facts.


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None of the listed medical treatments, surgeries, equipment listed in the OP were free.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2017 8:46 am 
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ldsfaqs wrote:
I've had all kinds of healthcare in my life, and most of it the hospitals, aka everyone else (thus we do have socialized healthcare already) paid for it, I got it "free".
- Motorcycle Accident, pulled out a bunch a gravel from elbow, free
- 3rd Degree burns when 2 due to mother putting me in hot water, free
- Gall Bladder removed, free
- Sleep Apena visits and machine, free
- Some eye care, free
etc.

Of course, not actually free, but they eat the costs, and everyone else pays.

This is a great documentation on yet another way that you are a complete leech on society.

Add this one to the fact that everyone else pays for your rent, food and utilities.

You are what is wrong with America. I've never seen a bigger entitlement attitude and willingness to suck off of the teat of everyone else's labor than your example.


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DoubtingThomas wrote:
Steven Crowder is a con-man, he only cherry picks his facts.


True! I have noted this in his videos myself. It is hard to avoid concluding that he is being deliberately deceptive. Why? What purpose is he trying to serve by his deliberately slanted videos?

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 10:22 am 
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I should know, I've had all kinds of healthcare in my life, and most of it the hospitals, aka everyone else (thus we do have socialized healthcare already) paid for it, I got it "free".


A sincere question.

If it is morally wrong to hold a gun to an individual's head and require him to purchase insurance, why is it morally right to hold a gun to a doctor's head and tell him he must provide free services to the poor?

It's ironic that you think it is a crime against humanity to force a baker to sell a "gay wedding cake," but you think our healthcare system should be based on forcing doctors to give away for free their services to the poor.

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Not too sure faqless has any morality outside his own narrow self interest.


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I am now basically in favor of going to a Single-payer health care system.

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With Trumpcare dead on arrival in Congress, Democrats have an opening to propose what they should have pushed for in the first place: single-payer health care for all. Fifty-eight percent of Americans, including 41 percent of Republicans, favor a federally funded health care system that provides universal coverage. Only 48 percent want to keep Obamacare as is.

Though Democrats are loathe to admit it, Obamacare is far from perfect. Some people pay higher premiums and out-of-pocket costs than they can afford. In some areas of the country, choices of doctors are limited. Compared to nations with single-payer systems, health outcomes are poor. And a small but vocal minority of Americans are troubled by Obamacare’s individual mandate which, they believe, infringes on their liberty.


http://www.sfexaminer.com/put-single-pa ... ack-table/


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I am now basically in favor of going to a Single-payer health care system.

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With Trumpcare dead on arrival in Congress, Democrats have an opening to propose what they should have pushed for in the first place: single-payer health care for all. Fifty-eight percent of Americans, including 41 percent of Republicans, favor a federally funded health care system that provides universal coverage. Only 48 percent want to keep Obamacare as is.

Though Democrats are loathe to admit it, Obamacare is far from perfect. Some people pay higher premiums and out-of-pocket costs than they can afford. In some areas of the country, choices of doctors are limited. Compared to nations with single-payer systems, health outcomes are poor. And a small but vocal minority of Americans are troubled by Obamacare’s individual mandate which, they believe, infringes on their liberty.


http://www.sfexaminer.com/put-single-pa ... ack-table/


AHH the FREEDUMB Klan. Hate dispel their total ignorance(or more perversely know how how it works) of how insurance works.


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You are what is wrong with America. I've never seen a bigger entitlement attitude and willingness to suck off of the teat of everyone else's labor than your example.

Need to remember that LDSfaqs is disabled and taking care of the poor and needy is an integral part of Christianity and other religions which form the basis of much social policy. Even though LDSfaqs actively disagrees with that moral thinking, it still exists for the benefit of those who cannot help themselves due to age, infirmity or childhood.

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Even though LDSfaqs actively disagrees with that moral thinking, it still exists for the benefit of those who cannot help themselves due to age, infirmity or childhood.


This reminds me of a conversation I had with one of my constituents. We were talking about a father who earned $250k last year while his kids were on Medicaid. She replied that, "Remember all kids get Medicaid." I suppose every kid she knew was on Medicaid. 1/3 people in Kentucky are on Medicaid.

Moksha's spin would lead one to believe all kids are on Medicaid. There couldn't possibly be parents who take responsibility for providing for their own children without government assistance. What kind of perverse world would that be?

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“… since all capitalistic systems are founded upon the institution of private property, inheritance and the profit motive, great inequalities of ownership and income inevitably result. …Among the more plausible suggestions offered to correct existing abuses without adversely affecting the productive system, is to continue the socialization of our service institutions through a system of progressive taxation based upon ability to pay…taking the bulk of their [captains of industry] profits to finance free education, free libraries, free public parks and recreation centers, unemployment insurance, old age benefits, sickness and accident insurance, and perhaps eventually free medical aid and hospital service. …The average family may not have much more money, if any, to spend under such a system than now. But…then the meager family income can be devoted entirely to the necessities of life, plus some of the comforts now enjoyed by the higher income classes. …To finance all of this, of course, will necessitate huge sums of money. …And it will also require a carefully worked out tax system so that every one will contribute according to his financial ability. Inheritance and estate taxes will become progressively higher, until the present system of permitting large fortunes to be passed on from generation to generation will become extinct. And incidentally, the so-called idle rich who have been living on the earnings of past generations will be no more.” (LDS Melchizedek Priesthood Study Guide for 1939)

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Moksha's spin would lead one to believe all kids are on Medicaid. There couldn't possibly be parents who take responsibility for providing for their own children without government assistance. What kind of perverse world would that be?

You left out the qualifier from the previous sentence about being poor and needy. Parents with adequate means can take care of their kids. Some would leave it at that and give no thought to the kids who would otherwise suffer and perhaps perish. Others hold the moral position that we should care for the poor, needy and afflicted. Before you point out that some of the afflicted are wealthy, let me add that I am speaking about the afflicted who are also poor and needy.

Why do conservatives who wrap themselves in the mantle of such terms as the "religious right" seem to miss this most basic point of Christianity involving caring for the needy? Doesn't abandoning this crucial element in the quest to hoard gold make them the irreligious right?

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Why do conservatives who wrap themselves in the mantle of such terms as the "religious right" seem to miss this most basic point of Christianity involving caring for the needy? Doesn't abandoning this crucial element in the quest to hoard gold make them the irreligious right?


It's a question of property rights and individual choice. You've heard this answer before but somehow it doesn't seem to satisfy you. I can't imagine Jesus Christ envisioning global communism as what he was asking for when he said to help take care of the poor.

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