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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2018 3:23 pm 
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I'm telling you, you guys' (or as we say ..."you guyses") trip is really my summer reading. With pics no less!

I love seeing these pics and your descriptions of how it's going. The food looks superior--did you make it? And what is that rattler or copperhead? The trail looks nothing like I imagined it--more of a natural obstacle course!

What folks from far away places have you met on the trail?

I can't tell what your location is now. Let us know when you make your triumphal entry into the Garden State...pics or it didn't happen, buddy.

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More great pics. I’m seriously impressed with how beautiful these areas are. Keep these coming!

That mud looks a bit daunting, though. O_o


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So, we did 18 miles yesterday, and were planning on doing 14.7 today but there was a 1000 foot descent in .5 miles heading into Port Clinton, PA that blew my resolve away. So... staying the night here, BUT we're still on pace and that's nice.

I guess I'm updating today because I want to share that our fellow humans are still pretty amazing on an individual level. The kindnesses we've received from complete strangers have just humbled me and reaffirmed the truth that people are generally decent. What we see on tv and on the Internet is NOT the standard for humanity. The standard is this:

Two days ago we were walking into a town for a resupply and we were out of water. Super thirsty. We happened upon a local fire station that abutted the road, so I decided to knock on the door to ask them if we could fill up our water bottles. No one was there so we were just going to keep going the two miles to our destination when we heard a gruff, "No one is there! What do you want!?"

I saw an old man standing up on his porch; it was the property next door. I held up my empty water bottle and pantomimed drinking from it.

"Oh! Oh! Come over here and sit down! Lucy! Get this man and his companion some water! Come! Take your packs off for a bit."

Over the next 30 minutes we got to know complete strangers, locals, who shared with us their life stories, that of their daughters, and their views of life, faith, and what they they think of the world. And it was really neat. They gave us Gatorade, water, and ended up giving us a lift into town. It was just, I don't know, a nice reminder of what life used to be like before the Internet and social media. People got to know one another, and were helpful, not hateful.

Today, when we finally came off the mountain, off that descent from Hell, we were gassed. Port Clinton is situated right next to the railyards where we had found a bench, dropped our packs, and were just sitting trying not to die. A fella that had passed us as he was headed up and then passed us as he was headed back down (day hiker basically), had come back to find us and let us know the little town was basically shut down for Memorial day. He offered us a lift to the local mall so we could get lunch. We totally took him up on it. We quickly got to know each other, found out he was a retired Air Force guy, and immediately bonded as 20+year vets tend to do.We got lunch and then he ended up driving us to our hotel when we decided to book a room. All I can say is it's really cool to meet a perfect stranger, bond, accept their charity, and then that's that. He's gone, but never forgotten.

Oh, and we met a transgender hiker with her super cool dog and her companion who is bi-polar, depressed, and has a MS in botany who let us know, in fact, the American Chestnut is NOT extinct, and we can find a bunch of them in such and such location. He was hiking in a skirt, by the way.

I could share 6 more interactions that would be just as quirky or charming, and another 6 that would make you go hrmmm. 21 days into the trail and it's already an adventure. :)

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PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2018 5:03 pm 
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A new chapter! :biggrin:
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It was just, I don't know, a nice reminder of what life used to be like before the Internet and social media. People got to know one another, and were helpful, not hateful.


Yeah, exactly. Social media tends to be a polarizing pit.


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I could share 6 more interactions that would be just as quirky or charming, and another 6 that would make you go hrmmm.


Do. it.

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21 days into the trail and it's already an adventure. :)


It really IS an adventure! I'm so happy to read your accounts and impressions of your experiences back East and the pics are wonderful!

Those rocks on the trail in that last pic! Omg... :surprised:

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PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2018 5:07 pm 
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You guys are closing in on Allentown. Here you go!

Allentown
Billy Joel

Well we're living here in Allentown
And they're closing all the factories down
Out in Bethlehem they're killing time
Filling out forms
Standing in line

Well our fathers fought the Second World War
Spent their weekends on the Jersey Shore
Met our mothers in the USO
Asked them to dance
Danced with them slow
And we're living here in Allentown

But the restlessness was handed down
And it's getting very hard to stay

Well we're waiting here in Allentown
For the Pennsylvania we never found
For the promises our teachers gave
If we worked hard
If we behaved

So the graduations hang on the wall
But they never really helped us at all
No they never taught us what was real
Iron and coal
And chromium steel
And we're waiting here in Allentown

But they've taken all the coal from the ground
And the union people crawled away

Every child has a pretty good shot
To get at least as far as their old man got
But something happened on the way to that place
They threw an American flag in our place

Well I'm living here in Allentown
And it's hard to keep a good man down
But I won't be giving up today
And we're living here in Allentown

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PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2018 6:19 pm 
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Those rocks on the trail in that last pic! Omg... :surprised:


Girl. You have no idea. They just absolutely destroy your will to hike. I guess the trail here gets worse, too. Apparently the granite at some points pokes up through the ground in thin ridges that intersect it and make it impossible to ever really walk comfortably. Then again I'm not sure there's been very many comfortable moments walking this trail, ever.

Whatevs. We'll just keep chippin' away at it!

Oh, and now the missus wants to hike the PCT with me. So. Awesome. Adventures ahead!

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PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2018 6:30 pm 
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Granite. I know, right? That whole area is full of it. I could feel my ankles breaking looking at that pic. I so swear!

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PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2018 7:16 pm 
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One more hiker-friend story before I log off.

When you hike here you tend to see a few people over and over again who kind of match your pacing. You basically leap frog each other. This guy we've gotten to know goes by the trail name, bestowed upon him by my wife, as 'Animal' because he has red hair and has attacked the trail the way Animal attacks a drum set on The Muppet Show.

Here's the thing. Animal is a few inches shorter than I am and he's easily 300 lbs. He's an IT guy who quit his job to hit the trail. Much like me he was tired of being tired, needed a challenge, and came out here to hike. He's quiet, unassuming, but has an incredible strength I've not seen in many people. He was 400 lbs last year, but has dropped weight so he could do this hike.

He caught up to us at the Rausch Gap shelter

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and seemed really, really tired. Defeated really. We shared some more stories, some of our motivations, but he had that air of defeat a hiker has when they're about to pull off the trail. He asked for a picture with the wife and I. We consented, of course. And we haven't seen him since, which I'm hoping is just because he's lagging behind us.

It's not easy when you're being passed up by younger or fitter hikers. When I was creeping down the descent into Port Clinton today a young hiking machine skipped past us and it was totally demoralizing. Demoralizing because you can't get your youth back. Demoralizing because you know your weight is causing unnecessary stress on your feet, joints, and muscles. Demoralizing because as much as you know not to run other people's races in your head, you still do a bit, wanting to be those guys who clock 20 to 30 miles a day.

Anyway. I hope we see Animal again. I hope he sticks to hiking his own hike and doesn't let young guys or middle'ish aged couples make him feel bad about himself. He inspires us, and I'm sure everyone who meets him.

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Poor Animal! I can only imagine how he felt. But he got out there and did some of it. I'm fully impressed by that! It seems to me that one thing all the hikers have in common out there is that everyone wants to try.

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It's not easy when you're being passed up by younger or fitter hikers. When I was creeping down the descent into Port Clinton today a young hiking machine skipped past us and it was totally demoralizing. Demoralizing because you can't get your youth back. Demoralizing because you know your weight is causing unnecessary stress on your feet, joints, and muscles. Demoralizing because as much as you know not to run other people's races in your head, you still do a bit, wanting to be those guys who clock 20 to 30 miles a day.


Let us review who you really are.

You got your ass out of your house and your comfort zone, you got on a plane and shot yourselves across the country, got OUT there and you are DOING it. I'm sure it feels crappy to compare yourself to younger folks. Stop it. Compare yourself to the you that was sitting his ass at home, set a goal, made it happen, who is now hiking the Appalachian Trail with his lady.

If it's any consolation to you at all, these meds they put me on for my flippy heart won't let my heart rate go high when I'm in AFIB. What that also means, is I couldn't climb steep stairs at Universal Orlando to get on the Hogwarts Express without feeling like my heart was going to straight up explode. I had to use ***the elevator*** the second time around. Talk about humbling. I wasn't like this AT ALL before the meds. Last year this time I was running my driveway (!) and tread milling my butt off. I freaking hate this. This isn't me. This is me being treated for a heart arrhythmia because if left untreated, it increases one's risk for stroke 5x's.

I have no choice but to accept it right now. And I'm not the only one. Folks of all ages have it. Football players have it. Celebrities have it. I can't go steeply uphill, but I can by God go pretty fast on a level surface and do some incline, because eff this stupid ____. :lol: You have no idea how much I envy and admire you both. As much as you look at those young guys and think you can never do what they're doing again, I can't do what you're doing either, Cam. Everyone has their challenges.

So don't beat yourself up. I am so much enjoying your travelogue and photos. Be happy for what you can do, for where you are in the world, and that you and Mrs. Cam can do it together. It's an experience of a lifetime! Come on, you're going to the Promised Land--Jersey! :mrgreen:

There's a snack size lady out here in CO taking her meds, fighting ____ AFIB like it's her job, and so excited to hear about your travels. All of us are. I was tempted to mention what you're doing up in Terrestrial, but I thought better of it because then a bunch of fly-by-nights would show up and contaminate the thread with lip service. The folks who are tuning in down here are truly interested and inspired. Look what you did to Xeno!

Keep moving, buddy. You amaze the ____ out of me.

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So a "memory" came up in my Facebook feed and omg, look at the movie trailer of a movie I posted about wanting to see in 2015.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOF2LIAp9bw


:-D

See how I'm crazy about this stuff? I wanted to see the trail...

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Remember, Doc - if you find that you are losing too much weight and want to slow that process down a bit, it's possible that a box of Ruby Snaps can be sent to intercept you somewhere along the way. :lol:


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Remember, Doc - if you find that you are losing too much weight and want to slow that process down a bit, it's possible that a box of Ruby Snaps can be sent to intercept you somewhere along the way. :lol:


Ha! Begone carbohydrate devil! :D

I was just getting ready to post an update since my wife and I are taking a zero day in the Lehigh Danielsville, PA area. Hikers call this stretch of PA "Rocksylvania" because the trail is so thoroughly sadistic. The "planners", and I use that term loosely, will deliberately re-route the trail away from perfectly good trail to this:

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My wife's shoes, by the way, were brand new and supposed to last up to 700 miles of hiking. They made it to ~240 trail miles, which is probably 300 total miles with all the other walking you do. Kirkham's Outdoor, in Salt Lake City, sold us a bill of lies! That, or Rocksylvania takes everone's shoes as an offering to the AT gods.

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Ouch! I bet they cost a pretty penny, too. :eek:

I can't believe the trail surface is so rocky like that. Most of the pics online don't really do justice to it. Usually just a nice fairly level trail winding through the woods.

Fake news!

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(I so miss the woods back there, it's just beautiful.)

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No one else is saying how they're doing with regard to exercise/diet and such.

I've just been working at gardening which this year means: hauling bags of dirt, moving bricks (I re-did an area that had bricks--still working on it), thinning some plants, putting in annuals, moving some landscape timbers around, and going to roll some tires around today to plant pumpkins in. Started picking up the dreaded "slash" which happens every stinking year only this year I got a good jump on it.

Starting to walk the driveway again in prep for getting back on the blessed treadmills. Still dragging around the 4 pounds I gained over winter. Totally back to my normal healthy diet. They'll soon be gone!

Eat less. Move more. Keep going.

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Thanks for the continued updates, Doc. Making me jealous behind my desk today.

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My wife's shoes, by the way, were brand new and supposed to last up to 700 miles of hiking. They made it to ~240 trail miles, which is probably 300 total miles with all the other walking you do. Kirkham's Outdoor, in Salt Lake City, sold us a bill of lies! That, or Rocksylvania takes everone's shoes as an offering to the AT gods.
I have found very few brands where the mileage claims hold up on terrain like you are encountering, they mean 700 miles of city parks. I'm generally pretty pleased if I can get 500-600 hard miles out of a hiking boot.

I don't know what brand you were using or what your price range is but my wife has absolutely loved the Salewa Mountain Trainer line (dirty hiking shoe lovers, boots for life). She is currently using the GTX-w but has found a lot of value in their other styles. As I said before, we've never hit the AT yet but they have survived some of our longest and toughest runs through the Rockies and Alps.

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Xeno those are amazing! I was looking at that pic he posted again and wondering...my hikers are boys boots. I wonder if a boys/mens boot would be less likely to blow out on the side like that?

Maybe not, since they're going over some pretty rough stuff and water? Like you said manufacturer's claims...

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I don't know what brand you were using or what your price range is but my wife has absolutely loved the Salewa Mountain Trainer line (dirty hiking shoe lovers, boots for life). She is currently using the GTX-w but has found a lot of value in their other styles. As I said before, we've never hit the AT yet but they have survived some of our longest and toughest runs through the Rockies and Alps.


Thanks! We're literally laying in bed in our hotel room looking at shoes right now. She was settling on Salomos but I just showed her your post.

Don't be jealous. My feet are destroyed right now. Lol. Post pics of your own hike! I have a feeling you got something epic brewing around inside of you...

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Xeno those are amazing! I was looking at that pic he posted again and wondering...my hikers are boys boots. I wonder if a boys/mens boot would be less likely to blow out on the side like that?

Maybe not, since they're going over some pretty rough stuff and water? Like you said manufacturer's claims...
I haven't seen too many issues with women's shoes/boots being a lesser quality as long as you stick to some of the better brands. Terrain, manufacturing error, personal gait and age of shoe are all far bigger factors imo. If you have particularly small feet (like my my wife) you'll also find it nearly impossible to find a men's shoe that will ever fit perfectly. You may get the length right but that will be about it; typically it will end up being too wide in the heel cup and/or toe. And where these brave adventurers are an ill fitting shoe can be a trek ender.

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Thanks! We're literally laying in bed in our hotel room looking at shoes right now. She was settling on Salomos but I just showed her your post.
No problemo, let me know how the hunt goes. Always on the look out for a solid shoe to try.

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Don't be jealous. My feet are destroyed right now. Lol. Post pics of your own hike! I have a feeling you got something epic brewing around inside of you...
As if you aren't loving the destroyed feet feeling :lol: . You've definitely inspired me to share when we make our next trek. Digging up old pictures from previous runs kinda feels like cheating.

ETA: A period for Shades and to add the note that I'm a Salomon and Keen guy through and through. I can't speak to either the women's makes or to a low-top style but I've never been disappointed with my Salomons

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I haven't seen too many issues with women's shoes/boots being a lesser quality as long as you stick to some of the better brands. Terrain, manufacturing error, personal gait and age of shoe are all far bigger factors imo. If you have particularly small feet (like my my wife) you'll also find it nearly impossible to find a men's shoe that will ever fit perfectly. You may get the length right but that will be about it; typically it will end up being too wide in the heel cup and/or toe. And where these brave adventurers are an ill fitting shoe can be a trek ender.


Dear lord, okay...I wasn't talking about quality. I should have been more specific. Boys shoes have a wider toe box than women's shoes. That's what I meant by perhaps avoiding blowouts on the side of the show. My boys hikers fit me perfectly.

I do have particularly small feet. I wear a boy's size 3. :lol:

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Dear lord, okay...I wasn't talking about quality. I should have been more specific. Boys shoes have a wider toe box than women's shoes. That's what I meant by perhaps avoiding blowouts on the side of the show. My boys hikers fit me perfectly.

I do have particularly small feet. I wear a boy's size 3. :lol:
My bad, we will just blame the bad reading comprehension on my wanderlust struck brain! I don't expect a larger toe box would have solved this problem unless she was complaining that the shoe was too tight in the toe and overpronates when she walks (this is my struggle). I'm also amazed that with as small a foot as you have the boy shoe feels good for you, you must have a pretty proportional foot and a "normal" stride to not experience any fitting issues or you just found an awesome shoe for you.

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