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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 2:54 pm 
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Here is something I've been doing lately and I add this only because the holidays wreak havoc with our diets. Maybe someone else would like an idea that's quick and easy for lunch. These are all going to be pics from Walmart, but all the other grocery stores have their versions as well. Not entirely economical, but quick, easy and it'll get you a lunch in 10 minutes time.


I've been buying these:


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And adding extra veggies to them, as well as Roast Turkey, Black Forest Ham (in the refrigerated deli section in plastic containers) or a can of Red Kidney Beans, or whatever I feel like. I think you could also add sliced boiled eggs to these to morph them into a meal.

They come with a salad dressing, something crunchy like croutons/bacon bits/tortilla strips, and usually one other ingredient like sunflower seeds/shredded cheese. These additions are in small quantities so you can still feel like you're getting a taste of something good without going overboard. I take out the bacon bits and leave them for JB to have.

They're about $3.00 a bag, the two of us can get maybe 2 salads out of that each. So a total of 4 portions.

If you were of a mind to, you could take that South West one and add taco meat to it for an instant taco salad. I prefer it with just kidney beans. You could also use grilled chicken in that Caesar Salad kit.

I've never checked the nutrition label on these. But, they're good, JB even likes them, and they've been one of the mainstays of my diet for the past 6 months or so. So a total win:win for us.

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I'm down to 123 now and haven't killed myself doing it either. My clothes fit so well, I feel great!

Emphasis mine, of course. I'm very pleased for you Jersey Girl. Not trying to get too much into the HAES nonsense, the numbers on the scale are way less important than that last part. If you're feeling better and able to enjoy life, that is what really matters.

I know earlier you were working a lot to add in the exercise, is that still going well for you?


I don't know what HAES is, I'll look it up.

Me and exercise...that's a little story in and of itself here. I don't know if you picked up on the fact that I was DX'd with a heart arrhythmia this summer? Anyway, some folks get AFIB when they exercise. I've learned I'm just the opposite. Here's the thing. I was afraid to go back on the treadmills, so I experimented with my heart and exercise here at the house. I started walking the driveway again. Our driveway is 1/4 mile so if I count my laps, I can get the distance I get on the treadmills. Anyway, one day I basically said "eff this" and went out on the driveway. Not my usual distance, but I did it.

This AFIB thing has been an odd journey of taking baby steps and challenging myself and trying to recover my confidence. The good news is that I've done it! :-) I made myself get on a plane alone in October to prove to myself I can travel and be okay.

In Oct/Nov did a Holter Monitor study for 30 days. On one of those days, I actually made myself get in the car and I went back to the gym and on the treadmill. I planned only to do 20 minutes as a test. Popped the music in my ears and I ended up doing my whole previous workout, about 40-45 minutes, checking my heart rate throughout the work out!

The problem with me as it stands now (and it's really only an adjustment) is that I am on meds that slow my heart rate. I'll never be able to get my HR up to where I used to get it, so I have to settle for about 80 bpm now and call it good.

So yes, I've been on the driveway, treadmills, and have gone back to swimming laps, though not as regularly as I'd like to...but I've done it. It took a lot of courage to get this far back into it.

It's been a matter of me trying to get a handle on what this AFIB thing is about. Trying to keep perspective--I've really only had one confirmed episode and that was the first one--though a couple other things happened that I managed to take care of on my own, I think those might have had something to do with side effects--which is the reason for the Holter Monitor study. Trying to sort through this thing--what's in my head, what's in my heart, what the meds are doing.

My life is one party after another, lemme tell ya!

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I hadn't picked up on all those details, Jersey Girl, but good for you. It is always scary to get back into, especially when medical concerns are an extra factor. That is quite the challenge to overcome.

As far as HAES, that is Health At Every Size, sometimes referenced to the Fat Acceptance movement. It is this very small but loud mostly-online community that emphasizes that it is possible to be fit while also obese/morbidly obese. They have some legitimate gripes about quality of clothing for large people and some discrimination that they face(unconscious bias towards overweight people can be quite bad) but they take it to super extremes that basically renders supporting them impossible. If you have some free time and want to rot your brain a bit you can start with Ragen Chastain and some of the ridiculous stuff she puts out but it probably isn't worth it.

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I hadn't picked up on all those details, Jersey Girl, but good for you. It is always scary to get back into, especially when medical concerns are an extra factor. That is quite the challenge to overcome.

As far as HAES, that is Health At Every Size, sometimes referenced to the Fat Acceptance movement. It is this very small but loud mostly-online community that emphasizes that it is possible to be fit while also obese/morbidly obese. They have some legitimate gripes about quality of clothing for large people and some discrimination that they face(unconscious bias towards overweight people can be quite bad) but they take it to super extremes that basically renders supporting them impossible. If you have some free time and want to rot your brain a bit you can start with Ragen Chastain and some of the ridiculous stuff she puts out but it probably isn't worth it.


Okay, I will take a look at that today since I can always make time on a snowy cold day. ;-)

I don't think it's true that one can be fit while also being obese or morbidly obese. It's irresponsible to suggest otherwise. For example, I have blood labs done 3-4 times per year. Even though you are watching your diet, getting exercise, even the meds you are taking can sneak up those values and lead to other issues that none of us want.

I'd love to hear what their take is on high blood pressure, blood values and such. Do they even have those simple things done to stay on top of their health status? I'd bet not. Testing isn't the be all and end all of one's health status, but it sure helps to keep an eye on things. You can't see high cholesterol, high blood pressure, or Type 2 diabetes in your appearance. The older one gets, it's imperative to pay attention.

It's all well and good to want to feel a sense of good self esteem, but pacifying your plight by generating acceptance without paying attention to the pitfalls of obesity is a recipe for disaster.

I empathize with their plight regarding fat shaming which is a form of bullying that needs to be dealt with, and also their complaints about finding stylish clothing in their sizes. I'm small, it's always been difficult to find clothing that doesn't need to be tailored. Tops and some dresses/yoga skirts work fine, but maxi dresses and jeans? Tailoring the hem on jeans adds at least $12-15$ and a dress can add a good 20$ or more just to do the hem!

And thank you for your affirmation. It's been a crazy journey. So many days I didn't want to even leave the house. I'm not one to retreat for very long. I come out fighting eventually! :lol:

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I don't think it's true that one can be fit while also being obese or morbidly obese. It's irresponsible to suggest otherwise. For example, I have blood labs done 3-4 times per year. Even though you are watching your diet, getting exercise, even the meds you are taking can sneak up those values and lead to other issues that none of us want.

I'd love to hear what their take is on high blood pressure, blood values and such. Do they even have those simple things done to stay on top of their health status? I'd bet not. Testing isn't the be all and end all of one's health status, but it sure helps to keep an eye on things. You can't see high cholesterol, high blood pressure, or Type 2 diabetes in your appearance. The older one gets, it's imperative to pay attention.

It's all well and good to want to feel a sense of good self esteem, but pacifying your plight by generating acceptance without paying attention to the pitfalls of obesity is a recipe for disaster.

They primarily try to create a divide between their weight and the complications that can arise from it. They want doctors to treat the symptom, high-blood pressure/diabetes/joint pain, without acknowledging the cause. The more extreme groups will say that a doctor prescribing weight loss or diet is a form of fat shaming. It is really intriguing to examine the cog-dis they have to go through (and I can say that as a former Mormon :lol: ).

Do your tailoring requirements, I can kind of feel your pain but in a different manner. The fashion industry as a whole is not kind to "non-average" bodies. I'm 6'1" but only have a 30" inseam, I am all torso. Finding shirts that fit in the sleeve and neck but can also be tucked in and aren't baggy is essentially impossible. I have to have almost all of my work shirts tailored or custom made in order to work.

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They primarily try to create a divide between their weight and the complications that can arise from it. They want doctors to treat the symptom, high-blood pressure/diabetes/joint pain, without acknowledging the cause. The more extreme groups will say that a doctor prescribing weight loss or diet is a form of fat shaming. It is really intriguing to examine the cog-dis they have to go through (and I can say that as a former Mormon :lol: ).


I'd have to say that just on the surface of hearing this, there's some deep denial going on there. I'm going to start reading about it in a few minutes here. It almost puts me in mind of anti-vaxxers. Believe me, I understand people wanting feel good about themselves, but denial isn't the way to go through life when that very state of denial can shorten your life.

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Do your tailoring requirements, I can kind of feel your pain but in a different manner. The fashion industry as a whole is not kind to "non-average" bodies. I'm 6'1" but only have a 30" inseam, I am all torso. Finding shirts that fit in the sleeve and neck but can also be tucked in and aren't baggy is essentially impossible. I have to have almost all of my work shirts tailored or custom made in order to work.


Tailoring is so expensive! I buy clothes from everywhere. I have pieces from more pricey stores like Eddie Bauer all the way down to Walmart. I own exactly 2 nice pairs of jeans, one indigo, one black, that I've had tailored. I baby them and they've never seen the inside of a dryer. ;-) Otherwise praise god for the cuffed look in women's jean styles! :lol:

This summer, I bought a simple maxi dress on sale at Old Navy for 12 dollars. Add 22$ for the hem, and it's no bargain at all.

I'm very selective about what I buy that will need tailoring. It's got to be something basic that I intend to keep for a long time, in spite of style changes and trends. Since I shifted into building a capsule wardrobe, it's become easy and fun to purchase clothes.

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Found her blog. Oh my!

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I followed a link here: https://danceswithfat.wordpress.com/201 ... r-doctors/

and then I got sucked into reading the replies. And I just can't deal with this, Xeno.

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I did warn you that it probably wasn't worth it. :twisted:

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I had to interact with a radical feminist essay in a Woman's Studies class I took that argued the notion that obesity is unhealthy is a lie manufactured by the diet and beauty industry to support the patriarchy. To this day it is my of my go-to examples of radical feminism going off the ranch.

One of the shames of that is that the ill-health effects of being obese/overweight are sometimes misunderstood and I think people might believe the evidence is worse than it actually is by confusing the behavior that gets you into that state with the risks of being in that state.

Then you have people like Ragen Chastain amble along "running" a 12 hour marathon and presenting as a fitness guru.


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As I’ve said before, my fat body is not a representation of my failures, sins, or mistakes. My fat body is not an indication of my level of health or fitness


It's literally an indication of her health and fitness. She has literally failed at virtually every athletic endeavor she has attempted.

Good thing people can buy energy drinks and soda with their SNAP handouts!

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Just a couple comments on the blog and links I read--don't have much time right now for anything else. I was actually going to take one of the replies from the link and debunk it, but chose not to.

The one woman was complaining about having to have a second set of knee replacements (don't know her age) and the doctor made it a condition of surgery that she lose weight beforehand. She cited some kind of research that says people usually gain back their weight within 5 years as a reason NOT to try to lose weight prior to surgery.

My gosh what is wrong with these folks? She's on her second set of knee replacements, I believe she stated she had diabetes and she uses some research that cites a 5 year regain of weight NOT to even try? People like that could easily end up in a wheel chair or experience premature death.

Anyway, I know I'm not in their league, but I did want to say that as a young mother (of one), my weight shot up to 156 post partum. That's quite a lot for my small frame. I eventually started an exercise class (combo cardio/weights) and after 3 years, I had not only lost weight, I was the poster child for lean muscle mass. Second child, weight at term was 162, I continued the full cardio work out (with weights strapped on my wrists and ankles) right up to 8 months. We'd stop at intervals to check our HR while walking around and ladies when they caught sight of me, would come up to me and say "You're PREGNANT? HOW ARE YOU DOING THIS????" After the baby was born, I could fit into my jeans again.

I have never gained that much weight again in my life. Yes, I know that each of us is different and the statistics come from somewhere but it's simply not true that everyone will regain their weight loss in 5 years.

I can't imagine using that as an excuse to not even try and stay where you are weight-wise. I think one of the key factors in weight loss (particularly if one has a history of obesity) is lifestyle change. I think the change can't happen overnight and that it's dangerous to do so. I believe it has to be baby steps, one thing at a time. Back then when I lost all that weight and became so fit, I started with the dance/cardio workout. That grew to be weights (free weights and Velcro strapped/and I used my husbands 20 pound weights for bicep curls at home), and then the book "Fit or Fat" and I believe, "The Target Diet" came into play where I started changing up my diet.

So, I've known for quite some years how to lose weight and become more fit. I have, in the past couple of years, used more current knowledge about health and fitness to meet my goals and my goals have changed due to age, but overall, it's still been baby steps. I could have lost 12 pounds in 3 stinking months if I wanted to. But I was after a lifestyle change, not just weight loss.

My point is that I think you have to change your head before you try to change anything else.

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This week I don't have many events scheduled, and the weather is expected to be nice (relatively speaking). So I can walk around the building; it is boring, but I can stop in and see neighbors. Also nice to do around time the mailman gets here, so I can watch for him/her. I have some mid-calf boots (as well as some lower-calf boots, both laceup and treaded) and hiking poles, so hope to be able to get to the point where I can walk the .8 mile to the library and back when temp is in mid-twenties and above. Supposed to be a four minute walk, but I am a slow walker. Don't know how to figure the equivalent to trips around the building, to calculate when I am ready, so I don't overdo it. I will probably have to calibrate my steps. Again, sometimes the earth's gravitational field is stronger than others, so I have to be mindful of that.

I need to work my exercise bike, because my goal is to build up those muscles to cruise around downtown regularly on my bicycle, and dispense with rides to church, just a few blocks further. Last summer, my doctor and patient OK'd me for some orthotics to partially compensate for my weak ankles. My sciatic nerves have been damaged by being pinched between muscles in my lower back and butt. Wintertime is fine, because of boots-- but summer, no. I need to get into my prescribed exercises again.

Week before last I decided to dispense with peeling butternut squash for soup, by grinding it before cooking it (I also don't have a food processor). The peels cooked up fine. The more fiber in my diet, the better. And-- it was a great core exercise. I could feel the effects in my upper back and arms. Grinding bacon ends and pieces was not as great an exercise, and bound up my grinder, I used WD40 and the freezer to get it apart. Next time, I will partially freeze it before using the grinder. I have much more bacon grease than I will use for a looong time. Also in the freezer.

I have mostly soups in my freezer, in meal-size containers, but I plan on spaghetti today. I am going to start adding milled flax seed to my bread recipes, and it looks like it would be good to mix into my soups.

How is that for a beginning?

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Welp. I just gave notice to my employer that my wife and I are headed back to the Appalachian trail May 1st. We're going to attempt to finish the trail, which I believe is a bit over 1300 miles from the VA/WV border. We're giving ourselves four months, and we're going to try to enjoy it this time around rather than push for miles every day.

Since I can't be bothered to watch my calories I'm throwing myself into the Great Wilderness Fat Camp again. I'm fairly certain I'll drop my 30 lbs hiking through the Summer. We'll see. In 2015 I was certain I was going to hike the whole thing, but only managed 736 miles and then canoeing another ~150. This time, however, I'm much more prepared regarding gear, timelines, water prep, and packing.

Anyway. To everyone trying to keep their weight in check and their fitness levels up I have a lot of respect for you. I see SO many younger types, peers, and older types just give up. I don't know how anyone gets comfortable with being significantly overweight and out of shape. It's an awful feeling, and I, for one, look forward to my pre-hike prep, hike, and hopefully keeping my act together when I get off the trail. Here's to 2018!

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I took my three rounds around the building. Although the blocks of the sidewalk vary a bit, most of them are the same length. I can count steps, count blocks, and come to an answer through ratios.

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I'm happy to see that you landed on the thread! :-)

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This week I don't have many events scheduled, and the weather is expected to be nice (relatively speaking). So I can walk around the building; it is boring, but I can stop in and see neighbors. Also nice to do around time the mailman gets here, so I can watch for him/her. I have some mid-calf boots (as well as some lower-calf boots, both laceup and treaded) and hiking poles, so hope to be able to get to the point where I can walk the .8 mile to the library and back when temp is in mid-twenties and above. Supposed to be a four minute walk, but I am a slow walker. Don't know how to figure the equivalent to trips around the building, to calculate when I am ready, so I don't overdo it. I will probably have to calibrate my steps. Again, sometimes the earth's gravitational field is stronger than others, so I have to be mindful of that.


It sounds like with trips around the building, that you just have to work with that as a measurement of your progress. I suppose you could get a pedometer if you wanted to. My husband gave me one but I've never used it. I, like you, tend to go my own way and do things the way I want or need to do them. For example, I clocked my long driveway using the car. So, when I use that for walking, once I've gone down and back, I pick up a stone (gravel) and put it on the parking pad. Then I just count the stones until I get to the distance I want to. If I wasn't able to use a car to clock it, I'd still do the same thing with the stones and use that as a measurement. Sometimes I just get out there and don't measure a darn thing.

I guess you have to wing it and use your imagination on matching the distance to the library?

Good on you for using the hiking poles particularly in winter! That's such a great idea to help you stay balanced, sure footed and prevent falls. I'm now thinking it'd be fun to use something like that to navigate the driveway in winter because it turns into an ice rink! There are plenty of folks in my area who walk the country roads using ski poles.

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I need to work my exercise bike, because my goal is to build up those muscles to cruise around downtown regularly on my bicycle, and dispense with rides to church, just a few blocks further. Last summer, my doctor and patient OK'd me for some orthotics to partially compensate for my weak ankles. My sciatic nerves have been damaged by being pinched between muscles in my lower back and butt. Wintertime is fine, because of boots-- but summer, no. I need to get into my prescribed exercises again.


My mantra has and always will be, "start wherever you're at". There are times when I've neglected exercise for a period of time and have to start all over again. I think the important thing is that at some point, you get back on the horse and do it.

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Week before last I decided to dispense with peeling butternut squash for soup, by grinding it before cooking it (I also don't have a food processor). The peels cooked up fine. The more fiber in my diet, the better. And-- it was a great core exercise. I could feel the effects in my upper back and arms. Grinding bacon ends and pieces was not as great an exercise, and bound up my grinder, I used WD40 and the freezer to get it apart. Next time, I will partially freeze it before using the grinder. I have much more bacon grease than I will use for a looong time. Also in the freezer.

I have mostly soups in my freezer, in meal-size containers, but I plan on spaghetti today. I am going to start adding milled flax seed to my bread recipes, and it looks like it would be good to mix into my soups.

How is that for a beginning?


That was a great beginning! The people who post on this thread (there's not a ton of us) are typically going in and out of a exercise and/or healthy eating routine. If I'm in a slump, sometimes just reading the posts of others fires me up again.

I don't think that any of us has been 100% faithful with either healthy eating or exercise. We're more like "phasers".

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Welp. I just gave notice to my employer that my wife and I are headed back to the Appalachian trail May 1st. We're going to attempt to finish the trail, which I believe is a bit over 1300 miles from the VA/WV border. We're giving ourselves four months, and we're going to try to enjoy it this time around rather than push for miles every day.

Since I can't be bothered to watch my calories I'm throwing myself into the Great Wilderness Fat Camp again. I'm fairly certain I'll drop my 30 lbs hiking through the Summer. We'll see. In 2015 I was certain I was going to hike the whole thing, but only managed 736 miles and then canoeing another ~150. This time, however, I'm much more prepared regarding gear, timelines, water prep, and packing.

Anyway. To everyone trying to keep their weight in check and their fitness levels up I have a lot of respect for you. I see SO many younger types, peers, and older types just give up. I don't know how anyone gets comfortable with being significantly overweight and out of shape. It's an awful feeling, and I, for one, look forward to my pre-hike prep, hike, and hopefully keeping my act together when I get off the trail. Here's to 2018!

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You're DOING IT!!! I'm so excited for you! What is the Great Wilderness Fat Camp? Is that a real thing or your own self torture program?

So when you're hiking the trail, are you tent camping? How and what do you eat? Do you cook on the trail?

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I took my three rounds around the building. Although the blocks of the sidewalk vary a bit, most of them are the same length. I can count steps, count blocks, and come to an answer through ratios.


Yeah, there you go with the distance calculating! Smart!

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You're DOING IT!!! I'm so excited for you! What is the Great Wilderness Fat Camp? Is that a real thing or your own self torture program?

So when you're hiking the trail, are you tent camping? How and what do you eat? Do you cook on the trail?


Yeah, in 2015 we were attempting a through-hike. We started in GA, but I came off the trail with some micro-fractures in my feet after 700 miles. We canoed the Shenandoah river and then called it a day.

The GWFC is my solution to being lazy. Basically I'm going to out-hike my diet for a nice reset, and also my wife and I were planning to come back to the trail anyway. We're pretty excited. In 2014 I ran the Army 10-miler, then gained a bunch of weight since I was retiring and didn't need to do another physical fitness test. Did the 2015 hike. Lost all the weight, more or less. And then have been slowly gaining it back. Imma lose that ____. I can't take it. My big plan is to lose some weight over the next four months, do the hike, and then come back dedicated to tracking my calories. Fingers crossed!

- Doc

eta: If anyone reads this and they're going to go for a megahike make sure you get your shoes right and your pack light. Huge mistakes were made on my first attempt. HUGE.


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 Post subject: Re: The score so far (Health & Fitness)
PostPosted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 8:20 am 
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Waitaminute, Doc - who’s going to watch the chickens?

Need a house sitter? Lol. I’m headed that way in a few months and I know how to maintain a garden. I’ll box up your veggies and send them to you at predetermined points along the trail. :biggrin:


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 11:29 am 
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canpakes wrote:
Waitaminute, Doc - who’s going to watch the chickens?

Need a house sitter? Lol. I’m headed that way in a few months and I know how to maintain a garden. I’ll box up your veggies and send them to you at predetermined points along the trail. :biggrin:


Ah, man. I wish I would've read your note. My wife got some kid and his wife who're living with his mom to watch the place. They were looking to move out and this will be a good babystep for them.

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