Radio Free Mormon: President Nelson Jumps The Shark

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Radio Free Mormon: President Nelson Jumps The Shark

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Radio Free Mormon: 063: President Nelson Jumps The Shark

Radio Free Mormon wrote:From Deep down in the bunker “Behind Enemy Lines” RFM tackles the recent dismantling of its November 2015 LGBT Policy. RFM in his unique fashion does a dismantling of his own showing That LDS President, Russel M Nelson has once and for all shown he has not only no access to god, but that he can’t tell a revelation from a hole in the ground.


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I will make a donation to Radio Free Mormon.

I hope others do too.


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Wonder if Consiglieri regards his choice #4 as totally new and unprecedented behavior?
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Becoming True Millennials (Video link)
An Evening with President Russell M. Nelson
Worldwide Devotional for Young Adults • January 10, 2016 • Brigham Young University–Hawaii


President Russell M. Nelson

Of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles wrote:
We sustain 15 men who are ordained as prophets, seers, and revelators. When a thorny problem arises—and they only seem to get thornier each day—these 15 men wrestle with the issue, trying to see all the ramifications of various courses of action, and they diligently seek to hear the voice of the Lord. After fasting, praying, studying, pondering, and counseling with my Brethren about weighty matters, it is not unusual for me to be awakened during the night with further impressions about issues with which we are concerned. And my Brethren have the same experience.

The First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve Apostles counsel together and share all the Lord has directed us to understand and to feel individually and collectively. And then we watch the Lord move upon the President of the Church to proclaim the Lord’s will.

This prophetic process was followed in 2012 with the change in minimum age for missionaries and again with the recent additions to the Church’s handbook, consequent to the legalization of same-sex marriage in some countries. Filled with compassion for all, and especially for the children, we wrestled at length to understand the Lord’s will in this matter. Ever mindful of God’s plan of salvation and of His hope for eternal life for each of His children, we considered countless permutations and combinations of possible scenarios that could arise. We met repeatedly in the temple in fasting and prayer and sought further direction and inspiration. And then, when the Lord inspired His prophet, President Thomas S. Monson, to declare the mind of the Lord and the will of the Lord, each of us during that sacred moment felt a spiritual confirmation. It was our privilege as Apostles to sustain what had been revealed to President Monson. Revelation from the Lord to His servants is a sacred process, and so is your privilege of receiving personal revelation.


Prophetic process

1. Understand the Lord’s will in this matter
2. Met repeatedly in the temple in fasting and prayer
3. Sought further direction and inspiration
4. The Lord inspired His prophet
5. The mind of the Lord and the will of the Lord
6. A spiritual confirmation
7. Revelation from the Lord
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Revelation from the Lord

THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
OFFICE OF THE FIRST PRESIDENCY

November 13, 2015
wrote:
To: General Authorities; Area Seventies; General Auxiliary Presidencies; Stake, District, Mission, and Temple Presidents; Bishops and Branch Presidents

Dear Brethren and Sisters:


This revelation is given to all general leaders of the church including "Sisters" of General Auxiliaries

THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
OFFICE OF THE FIRST PRESIDENCY

November 13, 2015
wrote:
The Council of the First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve Apostles provides the following guidance in applying provisions on same-gender marriage recently added to Handbook 1:


A general mandate is given by the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve (without a sustaining vote by the General vote of the Church) as new policy is introduced into the Handbook by revelation.

THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
OFFICE OF THE FIRST PRESIDENCY

November 13, 2015
wrote:
Revealed doctrine is clear that families are eternal in nature and purpose. We are obligated to act with that perspective for the welfare of both adults and children. The newly added Handbook provisions affirm that adults who choose to enter into a same-gender marriage or similar relationship commit sin that warrants a Church disciplinary council.


The Church affirms its "doctrine" about eternal families. The Church states it is "obligated" to act in effecting new policy in in effort to secure the general welfare of adults and children. Gay marriage is hereby proclaimed a sin that "warrants" a Church disciplinary council.

THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
OFFICE OF THE FIRST PRESIDENCY

November 13, 2015
wrote:
Our concern with respect to children is their current and future well-being and the harmony of their home environment. The provisions of Handbook 1, Section 16.13, that restrict priesthood ordinances for minors, apply only to those children whose primary residence is with a couple living in a same-gender marriage or similar relationship. As always, local leaders may request further guidance in particular instances when they have questions.


The Church claims its concern is for the "well-being and the harmony" of children and is therefore instituting a ban on priesthood ordinances for the children of gay marriages.

THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
OFFICE OF THE FIRST PRESIDENCY

November 13, 2015
wrote:
When a child living with such a same-gender couple has already been baptized and is actively participating in the Church, provisions of Section 16.13 do not require that his or her membership activities or priesthood privileges be curtailed or that further ordinances be withheld. Decisions about any future ordinances for such children should be made by local leaders with their prime consideration being the preparation and best interests of the child.


Children of gay marriages who are already members of the church are able to continue in full fellowship without restriction whereby no privileges will be "curtailed". But non-member children of gay marriages who have not been baptized are banned from joining the church.

THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
OFFICE OF THE FIRST PRESIDENCY

November 13, 2015
wrote:
All children are to be treated with utmost respect and love. They are welcome to attend Church meetings and participate in Church activities. All children may receive priesthood blessings of healing and spiritual guidance.

May the Lord continue to bless you in your ministry.

Sincerely yours,


Children of gay marriages can come to church as visitors but they cannot join the church. This is the sincere will of the Lord Jesus Christ.

THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
OFFICE OF THE FIRST PRESIDENCY

November 13, 2015
wrote:
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The First Presidency


The matter is not open for discussion or debate. The First Presidency has acted and by revelation this policy is binding upon the entire Church.
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I just listened to all of this and posted a comment...sending donations too. OMG...Consig did get the facts, the reasons...and the deceit. Now Consig...I want a segment on what happened during those 3 and one half years..

Wonderful...the entire Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints need to hear this. It is surely on a shelf for many and the shelf breaker for others.

Thank you!
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I am really happy you folks like the podcast.

I can't think of another podcast that I am more proud of or that seems to gel as nicely and conclusively as this one.

Kudos to Bill Reel for sending me the link to that Greg Prince interview on Mormon Land!
You prove yourself of the devil and anti-mormon every word you utter, because only the devil perverts facts to make their case.--ldsfaqs (6-24-13)
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candygal wrote:I just listened to all of this and posted a comment...sending donations too. OMG...Consig did get the facts, the reasons...and the deceit. Now Consig...I want a segment on what happened during those 3 and one half years..

Wonderful...the entire Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints need to hear this. It is surely on a shelf for many and the shelf breaker for others.

Thank you!


Good for you candybaby! I enjoyed the podcast too and will listen to it again real soon. Glad you made a donation because it will help motivate RFM and keep things going. He's passionate about what he does and would probably do it all the same even if nobody gave him a dime. But it's a shot in the arm and a real plus when people actually take a moment and send a few bucks to help keep the cause alive and on fire. RFM deserves a little compensation for all that hard work and help offset the cost of production.

Keep up the good work, RFM!
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Church Provides Context on Handbook Changes Affecting Same-Sex Marriages

November 2015


Elder D. Todd Christofferson, Quorum of the Twelve Apostles wrote:And this is about family; this is about love and especially the love of the Savior and how He wants people to be helped and fed and lifted, and that’s the whole motivation that underlies our effort.


We understand the Church claims revelation from Jesus Christ and that children of gay marriages are to be excluded from becoming members of the church. We are to understand that this action is what the Savior "wants". So be it.

Elder D. Todd Christofferson, Quorum of the Twelve Apostles wrote:We regard same-sex marriage as a particularly grievous or significant, serious kind of sin that requires Church discipline. It means the discipline is mandatory — doesn’t dictate outcomes but it dictates that discipline is needed in those cases.


We are to understand that gay marriage requires Church discipline. It's mandatory. Discipline is needed in those cases.

Elder D. Todd Christofferson, Quorum of the Twelve Apostles wrote:So this policy originates out of that compassion. It originates from a desire to protect children in their innocence and in their minority years.


We are to understand that preventing children of gay marriages from joining the church is the Lord's way of protecting children.

Elder D. Todd Christofferson, Quorum of the Twelve Apostles wrote:The situation with polygamist families, for example, and same-sex marriage couples and families really has a parallel. For generations we've had these same kinds of policies that relate to children in polygamist families that we wouldn't go forward with these ordinances while they're in that circumstance and before they reach their majority. That's the same sort of situation we're dealing with here, so it's something we have had a history with. It's a practice that really is analogous that's been the case over many generations.


We are to understand that children of polygamy and children of gay marriages are in the "same sort of situation" having circumstances that are in parallel and should be dealt with accordingly. We can expect these situations require the "same kinds of policies". Hence the new policy against children of gay marriages.
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A brilliant episode. Kudos! :cool:
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