A Single Fact Can Overturn an Entire System

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_Philo Sofee
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A Single Fact Can Overturn an Entire System

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Thus speaketh the apologist...
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/danpeterso ... ystem.html

The context is the dramatic and much debated issue of Near Death Experiences. I am deliberately ignoring that context, but not the quote. Can it apply to all cases? Well, why not? After all all swans are white, until a black, blue, yellow, green, orange one is seen.
God will never ever allow man on the moon according to Mormon prophet Joseph Fielding Smith, yet the observation that we got men to the moon refuted that entire system of thought of a prophet.
The King's name is written in characters above his head, yet Joseph Smith's entire system is overthrown once the characters are translated, and the King's name is not what Joseph Smith said it was.

Er, wait. Apologists will admit and even demand this overturning of a system if it is against their own, yet they fight against the saying like crazy if it refutes their own system.

So what's it gonna be? agree with the saying across the board, or pick and choose when one accepts the saying (when its in our favor), but fudge, gripe, and fight like crazy against it when it destroys one's own sacred cow? Does science only apply so long as it refutes what one does not want to accept? When it is applied to one's own favorite theories, doctrines, and histories, and it refutes them, does it still apply? Consistency doesn't appear to be a strong point of religiously doctrinaire folk in general. Science doesn't play favorites, but apologetics certainly does. That is it's entire downfall from credibility.
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Re: A Single Fact Can Overturn an Entire System

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Philo Sofee wrote:The King's name is written in characters above his head, yet Joseph Smith's entire system is overthrown once the characters are translated, and the King's name is not what Joseph Smith said it was.


I'm really glad you've picked up on this little gem. It's a sure fire death blow to the Book of Abraham. No king's name means no king's name and it's Joseph Smith who comes up empty. It's a quick and simple way to demonstrate that Joseph Smith didn't know what he was talking about. Apologists are left shrugging their shoulders and scrambling to come up with creative ways to explain it away and avoid the inevitable end of the line. Hugh Nibley didn't know how to deal with this dilemma and slyly avoided it and turned his attention away hoping others wouldn't pay notice and discuss it on a scholarly level.
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Philo wrote:God will never ever allow man on the moon according to Mormon prophet Joseph Fielding Smith, yet the observation that we got men to the moon refuted that entire system of thought of a prophet.


Ha ha, great point Philo. I was going to say DNA overturns an entire theology. It's interesting how apologists shift back and forth between quotes like this, and quotes about truth being a matter of perspective. It literally depends on the time of the day and the blood sugar level of the apologist.

Anyway, the title didn't fit the article at all. The comments were pretty good, this is the territory where Gemli is solid, and it was entertaining to watch hillbilly apologists like fourfingerjake try and make a point.
Lou Midgley 08/20/2020: "...meat wad," and "cockroach" are pithy descriptions of human beings used by gemli? They were not fashioned by Professor Peterson.

LM 11/23/2018: one can explain away the soul of human beings...as...a Meat Unit, to use Professor Peterson's clever derogatory description of gemli's ideology.
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Ha ha, great point Philo. I was going to say DNA overturns an entire theology. It's interesting how apologists shift back and forth between quotes like this, and quotes about truth being a matter of perspective. It literally depends on the time of the day and the blood sugar level of the apologist.

Ha! Great points yourself here. Yes DNA at least overturned an entire book... :wink:

"blood sugar level of the apologist"... :lol:
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