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 Post subject: Vogel video on Abraham Part 3
PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 11:32 am 
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My video on the Truth about the Book of Abraham - Egyptian Alphabets & Pure Language

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEVSEL3K5OE

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 11:48 am 
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I'll check it out.

I'm still waiting for you to do a presentation on Facsimile No. 3. You're more than qualified to do this. It's a silver bullet you need to shoot.

Do it, please.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 12:57 pm 
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Okay, that was pretty good, informative, and flowed nicely.

It's clear to me that Nibley's apologetics was more thought out and was creative in making twists and turns in order to avoid impacting solid mass in which he couldn't deny or move. Nibley was creative and clever in spinning an apologetic web of lies. Gee, is quite a different fellow. He's more brash and to the point but does so without providing a realistic explanation which can be tested and proved. Gee makes his case on points he likes to highlight and avoids everything that gets in the way of showing his case doesn't make sense. Supposedly, Gee is supposed to be a smart fellow but I've yet to see sparkle or brilliance emanate from the junk that comes out of his head. This leads me to conclude that he's dumber than most people think or he's just a lousy liar -- and a tad lazy.

In any case, Gee is on the losing side of history and his name is mud. If you think Budge is the butt of jokes, Gee takes the cake.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 2:09 pm 
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"I emphatically insist and hereby inform my colleagues and interested parties that the prophet Joseph Smith did not author the Grammar and Alphabet of the Egyptian Language -- the scribes did it. Period."

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"You're mistaken, brother Gee. It was I, Joseph Smith Jr., I authored the Egyptian Grammar and did so under the inspiration of the Spirit of God."


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 10:41 am 
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Dan,

Thanks for this addition to your video library of Mormon topics. I know that for years to come they will be a valuable resource for many of us writers and researchers. The amount of study and preparation that went into this is self evident. I learned a lot of new things from this part, and look forward to more. It has helped me to fully understand the development of the Book of Abraham and the true arc of how things transpired. Your grasp of the evidence and the articulation of it, plainly shows how Joseph was involved and what he was trying to accomplish with the papyri. It is amazing that these artifacts dropped into his lap at that exact moment in time, it must have made quite an impression on those who looked to him as a prophet of God.

These videos are a valuable resource for any who truly want to understand the development and impact of the Book of Abraham.

If there were video awards for Mormon History, like there are book awards, I think you would be nominated and win every year you produce them, and I urge everyone to not only view this series, but all the videos you have produced thus far.

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Are you planning on doing something on the Kinderhook plates? I would be very interested in seeing you produce something about them. I think it would benefit all of us that have an interest in them.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 11:51 am 
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grindael wrote:
Are you planning on doing something on the Kinderhook plates? I would be very interested in seeing you produce something about them. I think it would benefit all of us that have an interest in them.


I second that! It would be nice to see you do a presentation on the Kinderhook fiasco using nothing but pure evidence to show how flim-flam J. Smith duped his followers. Apologetic defenses for Kinderhook are nothing but mere wishful thinking. When you put the Facsimile No. 3 in one hand and the Kinderhook in the other you have a one-two punch that knocks Mormon apologetics to the ground.

Punch them out!

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Nice work Dan,

With the 3 part series, you have basically shown that the whole apologetic venture into the Book of Abraham has been lacking in everything but faith.
Book of Abraham apologists now have no option but to run for the hills, as the hard facts eats up any leverage that they might have imagined that they may have had.

Amen to the end of Book of Abraham apologetics.

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Uther wrote:
Book of Abraham apologists now have no option but to run for the hills, as the hard facts eats up any leverage that they might have imagined that they may have had.

Amen to the end of Book of Abraham apologetics.


Seriously, you have to see this garbage!

Book of Abraham debunks anti LDS lies/Thousands and thousands of explosive hits

AND THIS:

Book of Abraham - Part 1 (Why Egyptologists are wrong) (New)

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Stupid Mormons!

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Shulem wrote:
Uther wrote:
Book of Abraham apologists now have no option but to run for the hills, as the hard facts eats up any leverage that they might have imagined that they may have had.

Amen to the end of Book of Abraham apologetics.


Seriously, you have to see this garbage!

Book of Abraham debunks anti LDS lies/Thousands and thousands of explosive hits

AND THIS:

Book of Abraham - Part 1 (Why Egyptologists are wrong) (New)

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Stupid Mormons!


Kerry Shirts has been replaced!

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 5:44 pm 
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grindael wrote:
Dan,

Thanks for this addition to your video library of Mormon topics. I know that for years to come they will be a valuable resource for many of us writers and researchers. The amount of study and preparation that went into this is self evident. I learned a lot of new things from this part, and look forward to more. It has helped me to fully understand the development of the Book of Abraham and the true arc of how things transpired. Your grasp of the evidence and the articulation of it, plainly shows how Joseph was involved and what he was trying to accomplish with the papyri. It is amazing that these artifacts dropped into his lap at that exact moment in time, it must have made quite an impression on those who looked to him as a prophet of God.

These videos are a valuable resource for any who truly want to understand the development and impact of the Book of Abraham.

If there were video awards for Mormon History, like there are book awards, I think you would be nominated and win every year you produce them, and I urge everyone to not only view this series, but all the videos you have produced thus far.

Thanks for those kind words. It means a lot to me.

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grindael wrote:
Are you planning on doing something on the Kinderhook plates? I would be very interested in seeing you produce something about them. I think it would benefit all of us that have an interest in them.


I'm focusing on Ohio and Missouri for the next few years.

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Kerry Shirts has been replaced!

:lol:


Yay! This means there is a God! :lol:

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Yay! This means there is a God! :lol:


I just knew you'd get a kick out of that.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 9:33 pm 
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Dan Vogel wrote:
grindael wrote:
Are you planning on doing something on the Kinderhook plates? I would be very interested in seeing you produce something about them. I think it would benefit all of us that have an interest in them.


I'm focusing on Ohio and Missouri for the next few years.


Why? That's already been done to death hasn't it?

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About those links Shulem gave. Paul Gregerson is a loon. WHY does God ALWAYS seem to think it is more convincing to encrypt and mystify and hide things like languages and symbolisms within symbols of other symbol that yet come from other languages which were encrypted from yet other languages which in turn came from squiggles on cave walls (themselves encrypted)....... I mean my good gawd already what kind of loony idiot deity is so silly??? This whole canard is so laughably silly. I am now offended Shulem says this nutjob replaced Kerry Shirts. I had class, this guy is just another dumbed down version of the stupidity that Got Trump into office. I had a modicum of intelligence in my presentations. :rolleyes:

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Philo Sofee wrote:
I am now offended Shulem says this nutjob replaced Kerry Shirts. I had class, this guy is just another dumbed down version of the stupidity that Got Trump into office. I had a modicum of intelligence in my presentations. :rolleyes:


Oh don't be offended. I simply meant he was filling in a void in giving Book of Abraham presentations. His intelligence and reasoning doesn't compare in the slightest to yours. The dude is a total loon and a nutcase. But there he is defending the Book of Abraham using silly diagrams equipped with flannel board visual effects. His apologetic is absolutely for the birds.

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I appreciate the presentations made by Dan Vogel. They reflect church history as it happened and he lays out the facts in orderly fashion. What matters is what Joseph Smith said. What matters is what the saints then said. That's the true history. Apologists today try to speak for them and change what they said or reinterpret meanings simply because what they said has been proven scientifically false. Apologists today are sore losers so they resort to anything and everything to try and save their dying testimonies.

I don't care what the apologists have to say. They are not Joseph Smith. I go straight to Joseph Smith and his companions to get my facts. Apologists be damned -- they are liars, all of them. They do not represent Joseph Smith at all. The apologists are nothing but snake oil salesmen.

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Does anyone know what happened to William Schryver and his vast insiders knowledge of this topic?


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Does anyone know what happened to William Schryver and his vast insiders knowledge of this topic?


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Philo Sofee wrote:
WHY does God ALWAYS seem to think it is more convincing to encrypt and mystify and hide things like languages and symbolisms within symbols of other symbol that yet come from other languages which were encrypted from yet other languages which in turn came from squiggles on cave walls (themselves encrypted).......


Because it's CIPHERLY delicious?


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