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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 2:20 pm 
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Could it be that President Smartt wants something more from Leah? His wife looks genuinely happy having a real smile. But President Smartt is hiding something. That's not a real smile -- it looks shifty and sly. He's up to something?

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 3:23 pm 
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Thank Mormon jebus that the Commodity Missionaries were of legal and consenting age. To bad the founder Horny Holy Joe had no such limit.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 4:22 pm 
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Red Ryder at NOM just posted a couple of excerpts from what appears to be the blog of a senior missionary who served under President Philander Smartt, III.

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Philander Knox Smartt III is an attorney from Alabama. He is 43 years old, has two young daughters and lovely wife whom we have not yet met, and has enormous amounts of energy. He was so frustrated with trying to work with the LIAT airline dysfunctionality after trying for three weeks to get on a flight to St Kitts, that he has sent for his airplane. He said he will now be able to leave San Juan after breakfast, travel to any of the islands, and be back to the office for lunch. LIAT would win anybody’s contest for most dysfunctional airline on the planet. Even flying space-A with the military would be more predictable.

President Smartt has a very different philosophy about senior missionary couples and how we are to be treated and used in the mission. Before, we were just considered to be missionaries like the younger models, so the transfers would come with a day’s notice, and nobody ever asked what we would like to get out of this missionary experience. We were expected to do and report the things that the bean counters were asking from the YFTM (that means Young Full-Time Missionaries.) We have kids who want to come and visit us, which is not only allowed but encouraged by the Brethren, but we could not tell anybody where we will be at Christmas time or any time in the future, for that matter, because the moves were not planned out more than a day. So the kids can’t purchase their tickets when there might be a discount available because they might buy a ticket for Nevis and we might be on Dominica or anywhere else. Pres Smartt changed all that immediately. He asked us where we would like to serve and what we would like to do! We were amazed. We told him that we will serve wherever he wants us, but that we would like to let our kids know where we will be. He immediately said, “You need to be in St Thomas. You will go there in early October.” And presto! the uncertainty and panic and all those other negative emotions that we have been feeling for months all went away.



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President Smartt has brought in the elders who were serving in the islands and replaced them with sisters. That was an inspired move, but the vehicle that the elders had been driving was given to the old couple being sent to Nevis (us), which left the sisters without wheels. They tried to get the bikes the elders never rode fixed up, but when they tried to ride them they could not even reach the pedals! So they have been walking everywhere. Now they will have the RAV4 that Sister Mangum has been driving (Elder Mangum cannot drive), we will be over there with the Toyota Hilux 4WD, 4-door, turbo diesel truck that somebody decided was absolutely essential to the success of the missionary effort here. Thus, the elders on Nevis will be on bikes. But President said he has no pity for them, and they will be fine.





So Philander Smart, III, got his private plane to Puerto Rico so he could fly to the islands in the morning and be back by lunch.

He then brought in the elders from the small islands and replaced them with sister missionaries.

That doesn't sound premeditated at all, does it?

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 4:37 pm 
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The LDS church is totally into deception. Here is a missionary blog that proves the LDS church lied to the missionaries in San Juan Puerto Rico about the Smartt case:

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We were already sad because our wonderful mission president had to be released early because of some family health problems. President and Sister Smartt will be sorely missed by all the missionaries in the Puerto Rico San Juan mission. On a happier note, we are privileged to have Elder and Sister Zwick come to guide our mission until the new “permanent” mission president comes in July.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 4:39 pm 
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Interesting blog post by one of the missionaries who served under this mission president and was given alternative facts regarding why he was being released.... can you say "Cover Up"? Bottom line, a GA flat out lies to protect the abuser and the reputation of the church.

Here's the lie and cover-up, note that the lie started at the very highest level of the senior Brethren.

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Elder Cornish said that after some discussion among some very senior Brethren it was decided that President would be released so he and Sister Smartt could go back to get the very best medical help available


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 4:45 pm 
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Craig Paxton wrote:
Interesting blog post by one of the missionaries who served under this mission president and was given alternative facts regarding why he was being released.... can you say "Cover Up"?

https://kenpatterson.blogspot.com/2014/ ... s.html?m=1

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Cover-up!

The church has performed untold and countless cover-ups over the course of its history. How much dirt has the church swept under its rugs?

It staggers my mind to think about it. The LDS church is a dirty, rotten, and filthy cult. But Google god is slaying the ____ now.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 6:55 pm 
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QUESTION? Was there a crime committed? Was the church required to notify local authorities that a crime was committed? Did the church report such a crime?

I don't know. The details are a mystery.

But I will say that searching the missionary blogs of missionaries who served under President Smartt is proving interesting.

All this is tarnishing the good name of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Dragging Mormon Jesus's name in mud is sheer pleasure. That dirty pig.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 7:05 am 
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The Church leaderships' long vaunted power of discernment is nothing more than a bunch of old men trusting their outdated, deeply flawed instincts and believing that the creator of the universe holds them in such high esteem that He's planted those instincts in them.


Mormons argue that their Church doesn't have to be perfect to be the one true Church. That's a dodge but up to a point I think it's a fair one, even though it's frustrating for critics who would rather have a target that stopped all that bobbing and weaving and just stayed still so they could hit it.

Lots of things can be great without being perfect. For example science can't yet explain everything, and some of the unresolved questions are deep enough that they shed genuine doubt on many things that otherwise would seem settled. That doesn't mean that science is crap after all and we'd be just as well going back to reading goat entrails. You can't knock science out just by finding one difficult problem.

If I'm using fighting metaphors for debating world views, though, I guess I think that this kind of fight is inevitably a war of attrition. No blow is ever decisive but every little jab erodes resistance a little bit. Science doesn't have to be perfect but it's supposed to work half-decently, damnit. If we started hearing a new story every week about how science has been stumped by this or wrong about that, eventually we'd have to start wondering seriously whether science was really all it's cracked up to be.

The LDS Church doesn't have to be perfect but it's supposed to have special spiritual powers of some kind. As stories pile up in which such powers have proved lacking, faith will be stretched more and more. Especially if there are too few convincing stories running the other way, showing dramatic real effects of this supposed-to-have power.

Mormonism has survived and grown for a few lifetimes now, so as a fighter it's some level of champ. It's not going to go down by KO in Round 3. But we're well past Round 3 now. Perhaps the champ is finally starting to tire.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 7:22 am 
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One of the issues with the Gift Of Discernment, and the presumption that Leaders have it, is that members and leaders don’t put effort into the other things they should be doing to protect members.

Take the case of Smartt and remove the presumption of the Gift Of Discernment, then what safety protocols would any other organisation have in place?
1. Proper background checks.
2. An openly supported and encouraged whistle blowing protocol.
3. Training for missionaries on how to recognise wrongdoing in their leaders and what to do about it.
4. Non isolation from trusted family members, and encouragement of regular (as in weekly minimum) contact with parents and family.

The Church actively isolates missionaries, making them more at risk from predators and then does nothing to counteract the increased risk that isolation introduces. Then, when something bad happens, the Church blames the victim and covers it all up, thus ensuring no institutional learning and discouraging others from coming forward.

If a school operated the way the Church operates, the Principal and staff would be sacked and probably prosecuted.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 9:51 am 
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This appears to be the beginnings of confirmation of the rumor going around of a mission president who convinced sisters to become his plural wives. Those who know him, say Smartt believed in the deep doctrines, and it's possible he's one of those guys who knew that the church practiced polygamy while also publicly denying that it practiced polygamy. With that, and 132 still cannon, it's easy to see how one could interpret the church's current prohibition of polygamy as disingenuous cover. Do it if you feel so called, but don't get caught, wink wink!

Consiglieri, this could make a great podcast topic!


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 9:56 am 
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Consiglieri, this could make a great podcast topic!


Thanks for the thought, Meadowchik!

But to paraphrase Elder Holland, "One scandal at a time!"

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 9:58 am 
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Oh, and one other thing, Meadowchik.

It is clear to me the release of this story is designed to take attention away from the Joseph Bishop case, and to show how the Church acted "immediately" to remove a mission president when he was sexually abusing sister missionaries.

This is why they released a public statement on an issue that happened FOUR YEARS AGO!

Look at what we did with Philander Smartt, everybody! What a great church we are!

(Don't look over there at that Joseph Bishop case. Nothing to see there. Everybody move along.)

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 10:03 am 
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Oh, and one other thing, Meadowchik.

It is clear to me the release of this story is designed to take attention away from the Joseph Bishop case, and to show how the Church acted "immediately" to remove a mission president when he was sexually abusing sister missionaries.

This is why they released a public statement on an issue that happened FOUR YEARS AGO!

Look at what we did with Philander Smartt, everybody! What a great church we are!

(Don't look over there at that Joseph Bishop case. Nothing to see there. Everybody move along.)


Exactly. Yet by releasing this story, did they sacrifice a pawn or a queen? I'd say, absolutely let one story pan out at a time, let information gather.

On my side, I'm part of a group blog that is telling how the existing polygamy teachings contribute to abuse. I am of the opinion that the polygamy culture in doctrine and practice does facilitate selection, grooming, assault, perpetrator concealment and institutional concealment of abuse.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 1:52 pm 
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From his LDS.org profile:
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President Smartt is a former temple ordinance worker, stake president, stake executive secretary, bishop, bishopric counselor, ward mission leader, ward Sunday School teacher, and missionary...


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…[T]he gift of discernment… when highly developed arises largely out of an acute sensitivity to impressions—spiritual impressions, if you will—to read under the surface as it were, to detect hidden evil…


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Mormons argue that their Church doesn't have to be perfect to be the one true Church. That's a dodge but up to a point I think it's a fair one, even though it's frustrating for critics who would rather have a target that stopped all that bobbing and weaving and just stayed still so they could hit it.

Lots of things can be great without being perfect. For example science can't yet explain everything, and some of the unresolved questions are deep enough that they shed genuine doubt on many things that otherwise would seem settled. That doesn't mean that science is crap after all and we'd be just as well going back to reading goat entrails. You can't knock science out just by finding one difficult problem.

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That defense is easily nullified.

Using your science example, I would ask that you show how the current accepted scientific theory is better than the alternatives, which is easily done, that's why it's the current theory. But if you ask a Mormon to show how their imperfections are less than the alternatives,they can't. People who bring up the "we are not perfect defense to me usually get this reply:

"I am not asking you to show how Mormonism is perfect nor am I expecting it to be, I am asking you to show how God's one true religion on earth run by leader's claiming to communicate with Him, functions any better than any other?

So I do not think it is even a fair dodge.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 2:17 pm 
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Mormon apostles and prophets do not have supernatural powers when it comes to discernment. They have no special abilities to discern. They act like they do. They pretend that they do. They may even believe in themselves that they do. But they have no special powers or ability to discern. They have demonstrated they have no power by their failure to produce results that show their ability. Results are conclusive that they do not have special powers as they claim and we see that time and time again.

Just like Joseph Smith had no special powers or abilities to translate the Facsimile No. 3. We know that his Explanations are bogus lies.

I am 100% sure, absolutely postive that Mormonism is a total lie. I stake my life on it. I stake my soul on it. I know that I'm right.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 2:23 pm 
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President Russell Nelson,

You are a liar and a fake. I know you are not a prophet and do not possess the gifts and powers you claim. You are a liar and a deceitful man and have chosen to take your lies to the highest levels.

I Shulem, rebuke the president of the LDS church and challenge his so-called authority and abilities as outlined in the Doctrine & Covenants. You sir, are a total fraud of a man. Sorry and pitiful.

I lift my arm to the square and rebuke you. You disgusting man.

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That defense is easily nullified.
"I am not asking you to show how Mormonism is perfect nor am I expecting it to be, I am asking you to show how God's one true religion on earth run by leader's claiming to communicate with Him, functions any better than any other?


They may not be able to show that to you. My question is whether they believe it themselves.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 3:40 pm 
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President Russell Nelson,

You are a liar and a fake. I know you are not a prophet and do not possess the gifts and powers you claim. You are a liar and a deceitful man and have chosen to take your lies to the highest levels.

I Shulem, rebuke the president of the LDS church and challenge his so-called authority and abilities as outlined in the Doctrine & Covenants. You sir, are a total fraud of a man. Sorry and pitiful.

I lift my arm to the square and rebuke you. You disgusting man.

Shulem


Hey Shulem,

Do you really think you're a match against a prophet, seer, and revelator? What if Nelson were to call down fire from heaven or bind your tongue so that you couldn't speak? What would you do in such a case as that? Or worse, what if he rubber stamped your defunct membership records as unable to repent and return to the fold? What then?

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Hey Shulem,

Do you really think you're a match against a prophet, seer, and revelator? What if Nelson were to call down fire from heaven or bind your tongue so that you couldn't speak? What would you do in such a case as that? Or worse, what if he rubber stamped your defunct membership records as unable to repent and return to the fold? What then?



Shulem,

I hardly think Nelson has the ability to call fire down out of heaven or bind my tongue. When is the last time a Mormon prophet ever demonstrated supernatural powers or cause awe and wonder in the sight of men? He's nothing but a retired doctor who worked his way up the corporate Mormon chain to reap all the benefits that come with the position he now holds. The man cannot call fire down out of heaven. The man cannot bind my tongue. He can't translate Egyptian. The man probably can't even get himself dressed and he certainly can't get it up if you know what I mean.

As far as my defunct membership goes, well, I wish I could resign my membership all over again because that was a rich and satisfying thing to do.

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The Lord was pleased with Stake President Smartt, below at left. The Spirit inspired his General Authorities to call him to be a mission president and work with the sister missionaries of Puerto Rico. Thus we see the Spirit of the Lord is all wise and knows all things.The sister missionaries of the Caribbean will be blessed through the inspiration and instrumentality of this chosen man of God.

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